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Rehzon


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Who wins?



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Braugi


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he loses.


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motifian


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    Who wins?


Darkseid easily. He is more Galactus level these days.


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Braugi


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The version after the New 52, I know little about.

Post Crisis, however, might well have been above herald level, but if so, wasn't much...he showed he could be defeated 1 on 1 by Superman and Orion at the very least, with some good showings by others as well.

According to Surfer and Terrax, the combined set of heralds including Surfer, Terrax, Firelord, Nova, and Air Walker had NO chance of actually beating Morg with WOL and PC...they were all going to die without Galactus' intervention.


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JesusFan


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Darkseid would have to been shown at his high end PC glory to take this morg!


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motifian


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    The version after the New 52, I know little about.



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    Post Crisis, however, might well have been above herald level, but if so, wasn't much...he showed he could be defeated 1 on 1 by Superman and Orion at the very least, with some good showings by others as well.


That has never been the case. Superman and Orion have never come close to beating Darkseid under their normal power levels.


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    According to Surfer and Terrax, the combined set of heralds including Surfer, Terrax, Firelord, Nova, and Air Walker had NO chance of actually beating Morg with WOL and PC...they were all going to die without Galactus' intervention.


And in practice, Nova nearly beat him with one blast.

But if you want statements, Darkseid was considered as powerful as Time Trapper and Infinite Man, both of whom are literally abstracts.




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Braugi


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Nova hurt Morg, he killed her.

Superman had a clean win against DS and multiple inconclusive fights. In Orion's series they had an even fight that Orion won.




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motifian


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Braugi


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Orion #5. Orion beat Darkseid one on one.

Apocalypse now, for the soul of Steel, Superman beat him head to head.

Prior to that they had a brief exchange where DS looked superior, but DS stood down.

In the Supergirl arc Superman stuck him to the Source wall


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Braugi


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Prior to this, DS had seemed above Superman, but motivated, Supes takes him down for the first time, and convincingly.


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Braugi


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Looks like Supes can defeat DS again...


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Braugi


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http://www.the-isb.com/?p=25

I don't have all the scans right now, will get them for you. In the end, DS uses the Omegas, Orion reflects them back at him, DS disappears. Epic fight.

The Loeb era of Superman made it clear that Superman can compete. Other 'near Superman' characters may struggle, but both Superman and Orion can fight and win. They probably should be the underdogs, but can clearly compete.


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motifian


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    Prior to this, DS had seemed above Superman, but motivated, Supes takes him down for the first time, and convincingly.


Darkseid is defeated after he is hit by his own omega beams which were too much for Superman who runs away from them. Without that, here is how Darkseid treated Superman under the same writer.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3751563-superman+man+of+steel+%23116+defeat+superman+1.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/3751564-superman+man+of+steel+%23116+2.jpg

Darkseid defeated Superman in three punches and physically subdued him.


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motifian


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    Looks like Supes can defeat DS again...


He needed a sun amp to do that. Loeb Superman that is. After Darkseid was hit again by his own omega beams which were powerful enough to kill him as per the writer.


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motifian


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    http://www.the-isb.com/?p=25



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    I don't have all the scans right now, will get them for you. In the end, DS uses the Omegas, Orion reflects them back at him, DS disappears. Epic fight.


It was straight up said in the very same series that Darkseid faked the whole fight to lure Orion as his heir.


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    The Loeb era of Superman made it clear that Superman can compete. Other 'near Superman' characters may struggle, but both Superman and Orion can fight and win. They probably should be the underdogs, but can clearly compete.


No, it didn't. Here is Darkseid vs Supergirl. Darkseid is even weakened after he was entombed in Source wall.

http://i.imgur.com/Y72YrhX.jpg

He straight up no sells a punch from Supergirl who was as close to Superman as it gets under Loeb.

Further, I've made a rather large review of Darkseid's fights compared to Odin.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=comicbattles-2017061906044623&layout=thread

Darkseid doesn't looks any worse than Odin does against Thor. Especially this one.

https://s6.postimg.org/unv1t03n5/35_02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ahrju47zl/35_03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/kgciglhf5/35_04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/id238xhm9/35_10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/usyt2oay9/35_11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/ifqk9ianl/35_12.jpg
https://s6.postimg.org/qz9y79j01/35_15.jpg


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