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Braugi


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In light of the recent post about powerful Avengers lineup, what would you have as the lineup if you took over the book.

Please try to take into consideration the following factors:

Marketability: probably need to have at least 1-2 members that will bring readers...guys who have carried solos for a while, or maybe 3 or 4 that carried a solo for a couple years

Power and Versatility: powerful enough to be able to handle pretty
serious threats...but do you want a team so powerful every event
has to be universe threatening?

Cool interactions: characters with interesting history or that you think
would be good to have together

Team size: I think the lineups that are too big take away from the
ability to tell good stories at times. 4 is almost too small for
a team though, so probably need to have 5-10 members.

What would you do?


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Braugi


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A classic style team I think would be good:
Black Panther
Storm
Hercules
Spider Man
Vision
Moondragon

Moony has some of the best psi when written as she was classically, Vision is powerful but won't invalidate other team members, Hercules has to get up close, but if he does can beat even high end heralds...psi and tech, good range and up close, overall versatile, but can still be challenged if Magneto comes to town or whatever. Not too many X characters, but Storm and BP can bring some readers, as will Spiey.

Wolverine
Joe Fixit Hulk
USAgent
Hawkeye
Starfox
Monica Rambeau
Ms. Marvel (Kamala)

I grew to despise Wolverine, but he sells books, and I loved him classically. Notably, his interactions with Fixit Hulk classically were some of my favorite issues of any comics. USAgent and Hawkeye have a bad history from the WCA days. Wolverine has a young woman (Kamala) to mentor, something he's good at and that plays to his character well. I like Monica a lot, and she deserves to have a spot. This lineup is versatile, with Monica having very good EP and versatility, good up close fighting, and some weird effects with Starfox. Again, powerful, but not too powerful to be interesting with more 'normal' threats


Sam Wilson
Justice
Stingray
Luke Cage
Ant Man (Lang)
Heimdall
Firebird
Nova
Miles Morales
Hulkling
Wiccan


Not the most powerful group, though Wiccan is impressive, even the young Nova can be pretty good, and Justice has some good showings as well...large numbers and versatile group, and I like the idea of bringing a pretty impressive Asgardian into the group. This one doesn't have a lot of the classic characters, and the idea is that you have some classic secondary Avengers like Sam, Stingray, and Justice (Firebird to a lesser degree) stepping up to take the lead for a new, younger group, and Luke Cage has now been an Avenger off and on enough to have some credibility.



Captain America
Wasp
Beast
Iron Fist
Thor Girl (Tarene)
New Quasar

I like the idea here, but probably need to find someone else...the idea is a few veteran, very capable members like Cap, Wasp, IF, etc...but that tend to be on the lower power scale...then a couple of really powerful but inexperienced and somewhat ineffective characters like Tarene, or a new Quasar with no experience...they have the power to take on major threats, but are going to struggle because the big guns don't really have the power to do so effectively.




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Bk Ray

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    Quote:
    In light of the recent post about powerful Avengers lineup, what would you have as the lineup if you took over the book.



    Quote:
    Please try to take into consideration the following factors:



    Quote:
    Marketability: probably need to have at least 1-2 members that will bring readers...guys who have carried solos for a while, or maybe 3 or 4 that carried a solo for a couple years



    Quote:
    Power and Versatility: powerful enough to be able to handle pretty
    serious threats...but do you want a team so powerful every event
    has to be universe threatening?



    Quote:
    Cool interactions: characters with interesting history or that you think
    would be good to have together



    Quote:
    Team size: I think the lineups that are too big take away from the
    ability to tell good stories at times. 4 is almost too small for
    a team though, so probably need to have 5-10 members.



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    What would you do?


I would go a slightly different angle. I don't want characters from solo's to restrict me from doing stuff I want.

I would go for Hawkeye and Wasp, 2 long standing Avengers who can bring team history and make the team 'feel' like Avengers.

I'd also have Quasar to provide the interstellar edge and transportation, cosmic awareness and a heavy hitter.

Hercules to do the heavy lifting and Amadeus Cho for the heavy thinking. You need a top tier brick and mind for the Avengers and these will do.

I'd also throw in Elsa Bloodstone and Lightspeed.





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Braugi


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At least with Hawkeye you've got a movie connection...I'd be concerned about attracting readers without some tie in to either the current movies or a character they're seeing regularly, at least someone to bring more eyes to the other characters, but I think Cho shows up in other books and with Hawkeye in the movies it would cover that...

and I'd enjoy reading the team interaction...I like Cho and Herc together, and with Herc and Quasar, you've got enough power without being too deep in that department (if you had Thor, Quasar, Hulk, Hercules, and the Silver Surfer on the same team, every week you have to be fighting a universal threat)...


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    At least with Hawkeye you've got a movie connection...I'd be concerned about attracting readers without some tie in to either the current movies or a character they're seeing regularly, at least someone to bring more eyes to the other characters, but I think Cho shows up in other books and with Hawkeye in the movies it would cover that...



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    and I'd enjoy reading the team interaction...I like Cho and Herc together, and with Herc and Quasar, you've got enough power without being too deep in that department (if you had Thor, Quasar, Hulk, Hercules, and the Silver Surfer on the same team, every week you have to be fighting a universal threat)...


Yeah, you don't want Galactus and Thanos turning up every other week.

In theory, the team should be able to fend off Ultron and Kang with effort and still find the Masters of Evil a challenge.





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Braugi


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or the fight between Hawkeye and USAgent towards the end of WCA?

I think building on that could make the second lineup I provided very interesting. I think the character interactions could be great, and could provide a ton of interesting subplots. Its powerful enough, but the heavy hitters are the weakest Hulk (but he's still the Hulk) and Monica...no real tech guy, but Starfox can serve in a pinch, and if they REALLY need it, convince Fixit to let Banner make an appearance...good luck with that...

Wolverine
Joe Fixit Hulk
USAgent
Hawkeye
Starfox
Monica Rambeau
Ms. Marvel (Kamala)


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    or the fight between Hawkeye and USAgent towards the end of WCA?



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    I think building on that could make the second lineup I provided very interesting. I think the character interactions could be great, and could provide a ton of interesting subplots. Its powerful enough, but the heavy hitters are the weakest Hulk (but he's still the Hulk) and Monica...no real tech guy, but Starfox can serve in a pinch, and if they REALLY need it, convince Fixit to let Banner make an appearance...good luck with that...



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    Wolverine
    Joe Fixit Hulk
    USAgent
    Hawkeye
    Starfox
    Monica Rambeau
    Ms. Marvel (Kamala)


I did read one issue with Grey Hulk and wolvie, but yes, very familiar with USAgent and Hawkeye, although it would be interesting to see how Logan and USAgent react.

A bit creepy with how Starfox used to use his powers, especially with a teenage girl on the team, not sure how he is going to come back from that.





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MysteryMan


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Iron Man (Tony Stark) - Overall Leader. Brains-Tactics-Charisma-and quite powerful providing the resources the team needs.

The Enchantress (Amora) - A goddess-the Magic-redeemable villain-quite a powerhouse if not quite on Thors level

The Falcon (Anthony Mackie Movie Sam Wilson / Falcon) - Streetwise-military connections-combat tactician-heart of gold who could help keep the team grounded and down to earth

...this kinda gives me my big 3...I always was more interested in the versions that have the big 3 in them...

Jean Grey - Telepath/Telekinetic-mutant connections to Xavier & X-men-connections to cosmic and interstellar Phoenix/Shiar etc...-very good team player

Nico Minoru - The young Avenger that will bring a different prospective to events - great potential interaction with Amora - a wildcard of power - a leader in training-perhaps one of the reasons Amora joins the team combined with Stark having redeemed and helped more villains turn over a new leaf than anyone else I can think of

Thing (Ben Grimm) - Powerhouse brick-ties to the FF4-a no quit heart of gold hero-a never quit hero of pure will that needs a family

Karima Shapandar (Earth-12131) - because I like to add a random person that has had little exposure-she has direct links to Tony Stark-what fun an Omega Sentinel on a team with mutants!-fills in the spot I was thinking of putting the Vision in-human/machine hybrid-interdimensional connections/storyline potentials


...so a terrible team? \:\)



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Braugi


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http://www.therealgentlemenofleisure.com/2014/09/x-amining-wolverine-7.html

http://www.therealgentlemenofleisure.com/2014/09/x-amining-wolverine-8.html

But the synopsis misses a critical clarification. First, as noted in the synopsis, Wolverine is undercover as Patch, but recognizes the Hulk. Hulk figures out its Logan later on, and sucker punches him near the end of the story line, doesn't hold back.

Later, Hulk notes that Patch 'took the punch like a man', and they seemed to show mutual respect. Patch sees him off, making sure he has first class flight...BUT, and here's the best part he switched the signs, and Fixit ended up going on a flight INTO the sun, meaning Banner would reappear, something Fixit did NOT want....grudging respect but still taking digs at each other.


There was another crossover where Wolverine in costume had a brutal fight with Fixit. That was pretty good too, with Wolverine seemingly winning, then Fixit healing and pummeling him. The two can work together, and respect each other, but....could make for interesting interaction. I think much the same with Hawkeye and USAgent...by now they can probably work together, but doubt it will be a warm relationship....


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Braugi


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I also considered Amora for one of mine, because she has shown some complexity...capacity for remorse, but ruthlessness for what she wants...and the Avengers do have a history of rehabilitating super villains. I also thought about Absorbing Man and Titania...if Marvel hadn't backpedaled after the DeFalco push of them reforming it could have worked well.

I like your other pics as well, with enough characters to make it still feel like an Avengers team, with Iron Man and Falcon, with Nico...

As I mentioned with one of my other lists, I like the idea of the really powerful characters on the team being less competent at using their powers...it would also work if they were 'reforming' bad guys....so a resurrected Skurge (who's death is one of my favorite moments in comics) wanting to be honorable, with Amora (who had a hard time adjusting to his death), coming along and showing some depth...but they're the Avengers 'big guns', with lower to mid tier classic Avengers leading the way...could make for some interesting dynamics... If you feel the need to have a powerful 'counter', you could throw Tarene on there and be Asgardian heavy, and that would be interesting (I know she isn't asgardian, but her powers are based on the Thor template....and also would allow resolution to her as the Designate, who gave up most of her powers to help Odin defeat Surtur)...

So, something like

Captain America
Skurge
Amora
Thor Girl
and some lesser powered guys to fill it out...choosing 2-3 from a list of Avengers or Avengers related characters, to cover tech and a few other spots:

Sam Wilson
Scott Lang
Wasp
Black Knight
Beast
Stingray (yeah, not exactly classic, but could be a low to mid tier
with some tech and versatility)
maybe Luke Cage, though maybe more powerful than I'd like
Miles Morales
Gauntlet...

Hmm...let me think
How about I pick

Wasp
Stingray
and Gauntlet

So you end up with two Avenger's mainstays in Cap and Wasp, Gauntlet who is justifiably a member, and Stingray who was strongly affiliated for quite a while, if a minor character with a lot to explore, then the three Asgardian based powerhouses, one still acting like a newb and not a good fighter, the other two powerhouse 'reforming' villains...and too powerful for the veterans to really keep in check...



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    I also considered Amora for one of mine, because she has shown some complexity...capacity for remorse, but ruthlessness for what she wants...and the Avengers do have a history of rehabilitating super villains. I also thought about Absorbing Man and Titania...if Marvel hadn't backpedaled after the DeFalco push of them reforming it could have worked well.



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    I like your other pics as well, with enough characters to make it still feel like an Avengers team, with Iron Man and Falcon, with Nico...



    Quote:
    As I mentioned with one of my other lists, I like the idea of the really powerful characters on the team being less competent at using their powers...it would also work if they were 'reforming' bad guys....so a resurrected Skurge (who's death is one of my favorite moments in comics) wanting to be honorable, with Amora (who had a hard time adjusting to his death), coming along and showing some depth...but they're the Avengers 'big guns', with lower to mid tier classic Avengers leading the way...could make for some interesting dynamics... If you feel the need to have a powerful 'counter', you could throw Tarene on there and be Asgardian heavy, and that would be interesting (I know she isn't asgardian, but her powers are based on the Thor template....and also would allow resolution to her as the Designate, who gave up most of her powers to help Odin defeat Surtur)...



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    So, something like



    Quote:
    Captain America
    Skurge
    Amora
    Thor Girl
    and some lesser powered guys to fill it out...choosing 2-3 from a list of Avengers or Avengers related characters, to cover tech and a few other spots:



    Quote:
    Sam Wilson
    Scott Lang
    Wasp
    Black Knight
    Beast
    Stingray (yeah, not exactly classic, but could be a low to mid tier
    with some tech and versatility)
    maybe Luke Cage, though maybe more powerful than I'd like
    Miles Morales
    Gauntlet...



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    Hmm...let me think
    How about I pick



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    Wasp
    Stingray
    and Gauntlet



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    So you end up with two Avenger's mainstays in Cap and Wasp, Gauntlet who is justifiably a member, and Stingray who was strongly affiliated for quite a while, if a minor character with a lot to explore, then the three Asgardian based powerhouses, one still acting like a newb and not a good fighter, the other two powerhouse 'reforming' villains...and too powerful for the veterans to really keep in check...


...it's classic Wasp and not the nutjob daughter of Pym one.


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I say 7 is the perfect size team. Grant morrison's big 7 in the JLA was great, iconic, and still had a fresh feel for the characters. So we have to have the trinity........



Captain America. Steve Rogers, the leader, the heart and soul. Gotta have him on there.

Iron Man. Tony Stark, tech, humor, and general pompousness are great.

Thor: The classic, the powerhouse, the guy who inspires awe when he walks in a room and fear among the bad guys.

Jean Grey. The young one. Not alot of TelePaths in the avengers, throw in her future as the phoenix and its a good ongoing well of future stories. As long as it not overdone.

Spider man. Miles Morales, he is the spider future, so lets give him a shot.

Human Torch. He's available and has tons of experience. Always and optimist, and plus he could really give Miles a hard time since he and Peter have always been close.

Warrior Woman. Hyppolyta from the secret defenders run. Granted, she is a wonder woman analogue, but I would like to see her interact with the rest of them, and how her powers given by the death gods drives her.


I would have put Black Panther in there, but we are being inundated with him right now. Its just too much. And I guess there is no way a plausible reason could be made to get Taskmaster to do (reluctant) hero's turn but I think that would make for a interesting storyline for certain.




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    Quote:
    In light of the recent post about powerful Avengers lineup, what would you have as the lineup if you took over the book.



    Quote:
    Please try to take into consideration the following factors:



    Quote:
    Marketability: probably need to have at least 1-2 members that will bring readers...guys who have carried solos for a while, or maybe 3 or 4 that carried a solo for a couple years



    Quote:
    Power and Versatility: powerful enough to be able to handle pretty serious threats...but do you want a team so powerful every event has to be universe threatening?



    Quote:
    Cool interactions: characters with interesting history or that you think would be good to have together



    Quote:
    Team size: I think the lineups that are too big take away from the ability to tell good stories at times. 4 is almost too small for a team though, so probably need to have 5-10 members.



    Quote:
    What would you do?


Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers): the leader and she has a movie coming out

Wasp (Janet Van Dyne): the team funder and comic relief

Beast: he needs to return to his old jovial self and removing him from the X-Men gives him an excuse for that change; he's the brains on the team

Wonder Man: he needs to have his angst removed as well and having him team up with his one-time best friend gives him an excuse for that change; he's the team brick

Quasar (Avril Kincaid): she's the most powerful member of the team but her inexperience with her powers makes her and the team vulnerable; Carol tries to be her mentor

Sif: she hasn't spent a huge amount of time on Earth so I'd play up the fish out of water angle; she joins the team for the adventure and to keep watch on the...

Enchantress (Amora): here's where a lot of the drama comes from on this team; she's joined for redemption but she's not all in, so not much of a team player, but she's so powerful and alluring to some on the team that it's hard to get rid of her; she clashes with Carol and Sif a lot, but she's perfect for Wasp to dress up and present to high society and Avril has a big crush on her, which Amora finds amusing and allows her to toy with Avril; this causes friction with Carol who is trying to guide Avril

I'd also consider a more conventional team that would include the Big Three all restored to their traditional forms (for marketability reasons) and put the emphasis on "Earth's MIGHTIEST heroes":

Captain America (Steve Rogers)
Iron Man (Tony Stark)
Thor (Odinson)

Spectrum (Monica Rambeau): she's now a veteran and I'd play up just how impressive her power set can be

Vision: another veteran who is no-nonsense

Sersi: despite being immensely powerful, she'd be the playful, lighter side of the team with a potential romance with Thor to be explored

Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan): she's the newbie who can provide the perspective of awe being on this team

This is a team all about showcasing their effectiveness in a way that awes the reader and they take down even Earth's mightiest villains with efficiency. They only get in trouble with truly cosmic threats (and there would be an extended arc in space to that effect) or against villains with extensive prep and subterfuge.




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Black Panther
Hyperion
Spider-Man(Miles)
Nova(Rich)
Wiccan
Rogue
Crystal




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Instead of Jean, bring back Sersi. \:\)





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bouken red


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The line-up:
-Black Widow
-Wasp
-She-Hulk
-Sersi
-Jane Foster
-Invisible Woman
-Angela
-Spider-Woman
-Carol Danvers

Guaranteed to beat every male heroes and villains in all the known and unknown universe.



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    The line-up:
    -Black Widow
    -Wasp
    -She-Hulk
    -Sersi
    -Jane Foster
    -Invisible Woman
    -Angela
    -Spider-Woman
    -Carol Danvers

The only character there I don't like is Jane Foster, so I'd read this book.




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is on the team...those most strongly associated with the Xmen could start the Avengers looking to X like. Prof. X as an Avenger would be bad IMO...though I do like him as a character.

But, if she's the only big name X man, and you've got an Iron Man, Cap, etc. on the team its OK...

And I could see having an interesting team that has people at opposite ends of the spectrum:

Savage Hulk
Prof. X
(most physically imposing, mentally challenged and physically challenged, powerful brain)

Tarene or other complete newb with their powers, but very powerful
stick (isn't he kind of old...in DC I'd go with Wildcat...an old
very skilled person, past their prime and not very powerful)

a couple more 'opposites' makes for an interesting team...


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    is on the team...those most strongly associated with the Xmen could start the Avengers looking to X like. Prof. X as an Avenger would be bad IMO...though I do like him as a character.



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    But, if she's the only big name X man, and you've got an Iron Man, Cap, etc. on the team its OK...



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    And I could see having an interesting team that has people at opposite ends of the spectrum:



    Quote:
    Savage Hulk
    Prof. X
    (most physically imposing, mentally challenged and physically challenged, powerful brain)



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    Tarene or other complete newb with their powers, but very powerful
    stick (isn't he kind of old...in DC I'd go with Wildcat...an old
    very skilled person, past their prime and not very powerful)



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    a couple more 'opposites' makes for an interesting team...


He's explicitly at peak physical condition, due to the '9 lives' spell placed on him.





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I'd bring some classic from 616 Avengers then bring some new characters from different realities after a multi-universal arch to the team

Black Panther
Cable
Melinda May
Sersi
Spiderman
Vision

New characters from alter realities
Captain Marvel Steve Rogers - The Super Soldier Serum had Kree DNA in it.

Xida - take advantage of Marvel and Star wars all being own by Disney. Xida is from Yoda race only a couple hundred yrs old. He is a skilled jedi but has a hard time controlling his dark side emotions

Magni- a bit different then any version of Magni seen before he is the last asgardian of his reality, He'll have dark red hair be somewhere between the size of Thor and Hulk.
His personality will be something like Guts from Berserk. He has lost everything he cared about. He'll be the most powerful on the team but not one for teamwork.
In Battle he has a lighting aura, he has armory in a pocket dimension where he summons any weapon he wants to use.
He does know some ruin magic like putting himself in a mindless berserk state(10x boost in strength) for period of time but he will enter into a deep sleep for about a month after using it.

Iron Fist Colleen Wing- in this reality it was Colleen that was train by the Monks of K'un Lun



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