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Bk Ray


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Buffy goes first. Once she drops Max takes over. How far do they get?

No weapons.

R1. Riker

R2. Chakotay

R3. Sisko

R4. Kirk

R5. Tuvok

R6. Worf

R7. B'Elanna

R8. 7 of 9

R9. Data

R10. Odo





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Braugi


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In general, Vulcans have a very high track record and are probably substantially stronger than humans...Cap to 1 ton level IMO. Klingons are supposed to be stronger than humans, but likely aren't a lot, say 25% stronger given equal size and build...probably similar to Vampires in the Buffyverse...Worf was a very big Klingon, and likely around peak human strength because of it, or even above. Most Vulcans are still stronger, despite a couple of instances where Vulcans don't look as impressive (in TNG the guy who played Tuvok played a Vulcan that got beaten by a human, and Belanna beat a vulcan 1 on 1, but she's mostly human and partly klingon....conversely, evil Spock was owning the Enterprise crewmembers with only Kirk having any effect, and he still beat them, and Vulcans were really scary at times...in an episode of TNG, they were supposed to be several times as strong as humans...so probably in general around 1 ton range.

R1. Riker

R2. Chakotay

R3. Sisko

All the above are tough, but Buffy just outclasses them.

R4. Kirk

The first real challenge IMO...Kirk beat Khan in TOS, and held his own against Spock...he might talk her into not fighting actually and end up kissing her, but she still wins...Kirk though makes most peak humans and lower end metahumans work for it, because he never gives up, will use the environment, and finds a way to beat even the most unwinnable scenarios...but yeah, she wins


R5. Tuvok: Vulcans are hard to peg...unnamed Vulcans can be beaten by humans, but at times, seem WAY above human...and well into superhuman...so he's probably above most of the Vampires she's fought, and she's still recovering from Kirk, so Buffy MIGHT lose here...

R6. Worf

If Buffy were fresh, she'd beat him handily. Max would be close, as Worf is a better fighter, and I think Buffy is substantially better than Max overall, but fresh Max would win. After fighting a Vulcan and Kirk, if Buffy makes it here, she probably loses. Max goes forward

R7. B'Elenna
Max wins

R8. 7 of 9
Max wins

R9. Data
Max loses badly.
Buffy would have a shot fresh, but Data's brain coupled with his strength and durability makes him really tough to take out.


R10. Odo


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Bk Ray


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    In general, Vulcans have a very high track record and are probably substantially stronger than humans...Cap to 1 ton level IMO. Klingons are supposed to be stronger than humans, but likely aren't a lot, say 25% stronger given equal size and build...probably similar to Vampires in the Buffyverse...Worf was a very big Klingon, and likely around peak human strength because of it, or even above. Most Vulcans are still stronger, despite a couple of instances where Vulcans don't look as impressive (in TNG the guy who played Tuvok played a Vulcan that got beaten by a human, and Belanna beat a vulcan 1 on 1, but she's mostly human and partly klingon....conversely, evil Spock was owning the Enterprise crewmembers with only Kirk having any effect, and he still beat them, and Vulcans were really scary at times...in an episode of TNG, they were supposed to be several times as strong as humans...so probably in general around 1 ton range.



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    R1. Riker



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    R2. Chakotay



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    R3. Sisko



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    All the above are tough, but Buffy just outclasses them.



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    R4. Kirk



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    The first real challenge IMO...Kirk beat Khan in TOS, and held his own against Spock...he might talk her into not fighting actually and end up kissing her, but she still wins...Kirk though makes most peak humans and lower end metahumans work for it, because he never gives up, will use the environment, and finds a way to beat even the most unwinnable scenarios...but yeah, she wins



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    R5. Tuvok: Vulcans are hard to peg...unnamed Vulcans can be beaten by humans, but at times, seem WAY above human...and well into superhuman...so he's probably above most of the Vampires she's fought, and she's still recovering from Kirk, so Buffy MIGHT lose here...



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    R6. Worf



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    If Buffy were fresh, she'd beat him handily. Max would be close, as Worf is a better fighter, and I think Buffy is substantially better than Max overall, but fresh Max would win. After fighting a Vulcan and Kirk, if Buffy makes it here, she probably loses. Max goes forward



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    R7. B'Elenna
    Max wins



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    R8. 7 of 9
    Max wins



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    R9. Data
    Max loses badly.
    Buffy would have a shot fresh, but Data's brain coupled with his strength and durability makes him really tough to take out.



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    R10. Odo


Thanks for the response, similar to what I thought.

I think they are reasonably comparable. Buffy has around Class 1 strength IMO. Max can bench press 5 times her body weight, so I guess approximately 600lbs. So Buffy is roughly around 3 or 4 times as strong.

Having said that Max likely has a significant speed advantage and has more formal training in martial arts and espionage as well as a killer attitude.



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JesusFan


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Data would be about spiderman strenght and speed levels though...

Spock would be around Cap, but the Khan of the reboot was much stronger/faster than him though.


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Braugi


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Buffy chases after a speeding bus from roof tops, after being stab in the stomach no less, so she's running at least in the 40-60 mph range there...

Buffy steps on a Bear trap in the dark, but then pulls her foot out before it snaps shuts in a slow motion shot. These traps close at speeds faster than you can see, and well over 300 FPS.

Various feats of bullet timing from point blank shots, multiple shots by a high train Watcher, gunfire of a army, rapid fire from Darla, and heavy gunfire from two sides at one time by Watchers. Evades Adam shooting a machine gun at her as well.

Like with strength, in the series it isn't highlighted a lot, but its pretty impressive.


she was also highly trained, and slayer powers come with residual memories of fighting style/instinctive fighting ability

In the famous episode that touch on innate skill, it is stated Slayers on the subconscious level have the memories, and experiences of past slayers. When they "Activate" the skills are natural and present in them to a degree. They cannot recall experiences and such when they try to, but they have it in them. Proven in this episode when a young girl who "activated" had the skill and memories of the Boxtor Rebellion Slayer that Spike had killed, speaking a asian language, and enough skill to decimate Spike. Even though said girl had no training, or was taught any other languages. This is also shown in the canon origin comic of Buffy.

With zero training and effort, Buffy effectively uses official weapon maneuvers and styles to beat Giles on her first day of training with the quarter staff. Even though Giles been taught all his life as a kid weapon styles, hand to hand, and magic by the Watchers. Innate skill pulling through. Giles still spent over three years honing Buffy's skills to the best it can be, which shows thanks to Buffy 7 seasons, and 100s of comics.


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Bk Ray


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    Quote:

    Buffy chases after a speeding bus from roof tops, after being stab in the stomach no less, so she's running at least in the 40-60 mph range there...



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    Buffy steps on a Bear trap in the dark, but then pulls her foot out before it snaps shuts in a slow motion shot. These traps close at speeds faster than you can see, and well over 300 FPS.



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    Various feats of bullet timing from point blank shots, multiple shots by a high train Watcher, gunfire of a army, rapid fire from Darla, and heavy gunfire from two sides at one time by Watchers. Evades Adam shooting a machine gun at her as well.



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    Like with strength, in the series it isn't highlighted a lot, but its pretty impressive.



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    she was also highly trained, and slayer powers come with residual memories of fighting style/instinctive fighting ability



    Quote:
    In the famous episode that touch on innate skill, it is stated Slayers on the subconscious level have the memories, and experiences of past slayers. When they "Activate" the skills are natural and present in them to a degree. They cannot recall experiences and such when they try to, but they have it in them. Proven in this episode when a young girl who "activated" had the skill and memories of the Boxtor Rebellion Slayer that Spike had killed, speaking a asian language, and enough skill to decimate Spike. Even though said girl had no training, or was taught any other languages. This is also shown in the canon origin comic of Buffy.



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    With zero training and effort, Buffy effectively uses official weapon maneuvers and styles to beat Giles on her first day of training with the quarter staff. Even though Giles been taught all his life as a kid weapon styles, hand to hand, and magic by the Watchers. Innate skill pulling through. Giles still spent over three years honing Buffy's skills to the best it can be, which shows thanks to Buffy 7 seasons, and 100s of comics.


Having said that, I think Buffy wins, 3 times as strong and she has faced a lot more powerful and varied enemies.

But, I've just looked up Max to see if I am overstating her in case my memory is off, but her speed, senses and use of conventional technology give her a good weapon over Buffy, albeit as stated Buffy has a significant strength and durability (but not stamina) advantage.

It would be a really great fight.



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Braugi


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and I think Max very well might beat Kendra or some less experienced Slayers.

I think Max is more strategic in how she goes about things too, while Buffy is pretty good on the fly, Max tends to seem more prepared


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Bk Ray


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    and I think Max very well might beat Kendra or some less experienced Slayers.



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    I think Max is more strategic in how she goes about things too, while Buffy is pretty good on the fly, Max tends to seem more prepared


Yeah, I think in a crossover, Max would be seen as physically comparable with Angelus strength wise, but less durable and much faster even more pronounced than Buffy.




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JesusFan


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I just do not see Buffy able to defeat either the new Khan. nor Data though!


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Poltargyst


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Buffy or Buffy then Max (if Buffy has fallen to Tuvok or Worf) could make it to Data, but it ends there.


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