Comic Battle >> View Thread

Author
zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,922


Use the most traditional 616 iteration of each character in your mind, NOT the (relatively) inexperienced version when the character first joined the team nor an unusual powered-up or depowered version. The character however has to be the incarnation of the character specified, so Dick Grayson is still Robin, not Nightwing, Sam Wilson is Captain America, not Falcon, etc.

Avengers (1963): Thor (Odinson), Hulk (Bruce Banner), Iron Man (Tony Stark), Ant-Man (Hank Pym), Wasp (Janet Van Dyne)
vs.
Avengers (2017): Thor (Jane Foster), Hercules, Vision, Captain America (Sam Wilson), Wasp (Nadia Pym)

Champions (1975): Hercules, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Iceman, Angel, Black Widow
vs.
Champions (2017): Hulk (Amadeus Cho), Viv, Nova (Sam Alexander), Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)

Guardians of the Galaxy (1969): Starhawk, Major Vance Astro, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu
vs.
Guardians of the Galaxy (2013): Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord (Peter Quill)

Justice League (1960): Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, Flash (Barry Allen), Aquaman, Batman (Bruce Wayne)
vs.
Justice League (1987): Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson), Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi), Black Canary, Mister Miracle (Scott Free), Blue Beetle

Teen Titans (1970): Kid Flash (Wally West), Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Hawk (Hank Hall), Dove (Don Hall), Robin (Dick Grayson), Speedy (Roy Harper), Lilith Clay
vs.
Teen Titans (2003): Kid Flash (Bart Allen), Wonder Girl (Cassandra Sandmark), Superboy (Kon-El), Starfire, Robin (Tim Drake), Cyborg, Beast Boy

X-Men (1963): Marvel Girl (Jean Grey), Iceman, Cyclops, Angel, Beast
vs.
X-Men (1980): Storm, Colossus, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler




Posted with Mozilla 11.0 on Windows 7
Ragnarok


Member Since: Thu Oct 09, 2008
Posts: 5,412





    Quote:
    Avengers (1963): Thor (Odinson), Hulk (Bruce Banner), Iron Man (Tony Stark), Ant-Man (Hank Pym), Wasp (Janet Van Dyne)
    vs.
    Avengers (2017): Thor (Jane Foster), Hercules, Vision, Captain America (Sam Wilson), Wasp (Nadia Pym)


2017 wins. The biggest factor is the Hulk's instability at the time. He's just as likely to fight his own team as the opponents. Also, original tin can Iron Man is a joke.


    Quote:
    Champions (1975): Hercules, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Iceman, Angel, Black Widow
    vs.
    Champions (2017): Hulk (Amadeus Cho), Viv, Nova (Sam Alexander), Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)


Going with the classics here. The new Champions have a lot of baggage and I don't see any of them surviving the penance stare.


    Quote:
    Guardians of the Galaxy (1969): Starhawk, Major Vance Astro, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu
    vs.
    Guardians of the Galaxy (2013): Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord (Peter Quill)


Leaning towards the modern team but have to pass as I don't know enough about the old team. I remember Starhawk from the Korvac Saga and he could be a game changer...just don't know enough.


    Quote:
    Justice League (1960): Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, Flash (Barry Allen), Aquaman, Batman (Bruce Wayne)
    vs.
    Justice League (1987): Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson), Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi), Black Canary, Mister Miracle (Scott Free), Blue Beetle


This is PC Supes. He wins on his own.


    Quote:
    Teen Titans (1970): Kid Flash (Wally West), Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Hawk (Hank Hall), Dove (Don Hall), Robin (Dick Grayson), Speedy (Roy Harper), Lilith Clay
    vs.
    Teen Titans (2003): Kid Flash (Bart Allen), Wonder Girl (Cassandra Sandmark), Superboy (Kon-El), Starfire, Robin (Tim Drake), Cyborg, Beast Boy


Edging 2003. Kon-El brings raw power and Cyborg a tech edge that the old team can't stand up to.


    Quote:
    X-Men (1963): Marvel Girl (Jean Grey), Iceman, Cyclops, Angel, Beast
    vs.
    X-Men (1980): Storm, Colossus, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler


Interesting. The originals are going to be thrown off their game by Wolverine's savagery but ultimately the 1980 version has no psi defense. After seeing her friends take a beating Jean ups her game and unleashes for the win.






[URL=http://s1362.photobucket.com/user/wulabo/media/Doom_zps60271c02.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1362.photobucket.com/albums/r693/wulabo/Doom_zps60271c02.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
Posted with Google Chrome 60.0.3112.113 on Windows 10
Braugi


Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017
Posts: 192


Avengers (1963): Thor (Odinson), Hulk (Bruce Banner), Iron Man (Tony Stark), Ant-Man (Hank Pym), Wasp (Janet Van Dyne)
vs.
Avengers (2017): Thor (Jane Foster), Hercules, Vision, Captain America (Sam Wilson), Wasp (Nadia Pym)

Look, Janet beats Nadia, Thor vs. Thor is good, with Mjolnir helping Jane and the real Thor having a skill and experience advantage, Hulk vs. Herc is even...so it comes down to rules interpretation.

If by incarnation you mean Tony Stark is Iron man, but at a 'typical' Iron Man level (since at least the early 70's, every armor upgrade looks impressive initially, but still seems to be one step below top tiers across the board) or if you mean incarnation being that particular set of armor.

When I'm considering Hank Pym, I'm considering him as Ant Man only, before he started growing enough to call himself Giant Man...so he loses to Sam, and that armor of starks loses to Vision,

Meaning 2017 wins...if you're thinking Pym is more likely to use growing and shrinking effectively AND that Iron Man functions about like his armor did through the 80's and 90's, it probably tilts the other way.

Champions (1975): Hercules, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Iceman, Angel, Black Widow
vs.
Champions (2017): Hulk (Amadeus Cho), Viv, Nova (Sam Alexander), Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)

I think this is a very good fight...edge to 1975 because of skill and tactics, but I could be swayed.


Guardians of the Galaxy (1969): Starhawk, Major Vance Astro, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu
vs.
Guardians of the Galaxy (2013): Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord (Peter Quill)

Edge to 2013

Justice League (1960): Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, Flash (Barry Allen), Aquaman, Batman (Bruce Wayne)
vs.
Justice League (1987): Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson), Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi), Black Canary, Mister Miracle (Scott Free), Blue Beetle

BRAUGI: I'm assuming since your definition that we're not making this a pre crisis vs. post crisis fight.

Still, I think 1960 has more depth...if you say Superman vs. CM, Hal vs. Guy, Kimyo vs. WW, Dr. Fate vs. MM, you still have Flash, Aquaman, and Batman vs. BC, MM, and Blue Beetle, and I think the significant edge goes to the older team there, and that tips it in their favor overall

Teen Titans (1970): Kid Flash (Wally West), Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Hawk (Hank Hall), Dove (Don Hall), Robin (Dick Grayson), Speedy (Roy Harper), Lilith Clay
vs.
Teen Titans (2003): Kid Flash (Bart Allen), Wonder Girl (Cassandra Sandmark), Superboy (Kon-El), Starfire, Robin (Tim Drake), Cyborg, Beast Boy

I think Bart was better as Kid Flash than Wally ever showed (before Wally became the Flash), but Donna beats Cassie, but other than that, I think 2003 has the advantage...

X-Men (1963): Marvel Girl (Jean Grey), Iceman, Cyclops, Angel, Beast
vs.
X-Men (1980): Storm, Colossus, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler

BRAUGI: when was the last time Jean was called Marvel Girl...as MG I don't recall her being THAT impressive....meaning the fight goes to 1980


Posted with Google Chrome 60.0.3112.113 on Windows 10
Bk Ray


Member Since: Mon Nov 10, 2008
Posts: 5,865





    Quote:
    Guardians of the Galaxy (1969): Starhawk, Major Vance Astro, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu
    vs.
    Guardians of the Galaxy (2013): Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord (Peter Quill)


ROUND 1

Star Lord loses to Astro.

Charlie falls to Groot.

Martinex beats Rocket.

Gamora beats Yondu.

Starhawk smashes Drax.

ROUND 2

Starhawk beats Groot.

Astro and Martinex stalemate Gamora until Starhawk gets there.



Posted with Google Chrome 61.0.3163.91 on Windows 10
zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,922



    Quote:
    If by incarnation you mean Tony Stark is Iron man, but at a 'typical' Iron Man level (since at least the early 70's, every armor upgrade looks impressive initially, but still seems to be one step below top tiers across the board) or if you mean incarnation being that particular set of armor.


I meant when you think of Iron Man in general, this is the Iron Man you're thinking of. In other words, not Tony in his first armor.


    Quote:
    When I'm considering Hank Pym, I'm considering him as Ant Man only, before he started growing enough to call himself Giant Man...so he loses to Sam, and that armor of starks loses to Vision,



    Quote:
    Meaning 2017 wins...if you're thinking Pym is more likely to use growing and shrinking effectively AND that Iron Man functions about like his armor did through the 80's and 90's, it probably tilts the other way.


Right, so by my rules, the original team wins given your statements.





Posted with Mozilla 11.0 on Windows 7
Braugi


Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017
Posts: 192


because each suit could be an incarnation...but yeah, I give that one to the originals...


Posted with Google Chrome 60.0.3112.113 on Windows 10
Mikel Midnight


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,321



    Quote:
    Avengers (1963): Thor (Odinson), Hulk (Bruce Banner), Iron Man (Tony Stark), Ant-Man (Hank Pym), Wasp (Janet Van Dyne)
    vs.
    Avengers (2017): Thor (Jane Foster), Hercules, Vision, Captain America (Sam Wilson), Wasp (Nadia Pym)


Unless Hulk goes gonzo, I'd give it to the modern team. However, take into account it's VERY rare for both Herc and Thor to be on the core team simultaneously. I'd say the average five-person team would get trounced by the originals.


    Quote:
    Champions (1975): Hercules, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Iceman, Angel, Black Widow
    vs.
    Champions (2017): Hulk (Amadeus Cho), Viv, Nova (Sam Alexander), Spider-Man (Miles Morales), Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)


Originals are far stronger and more experienced.


    Quote:
    Guardians of the Galaxy (1969): Starhawk, Major Vance Astro, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu
    vs.
    Guardians of the Galaxy (2013): Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Groot, Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord (Peter Quill)


I prefer the originals sentimentally, but they're not all that high-powered, and would lose to the modern version.


    Quote:
    Justice League (1960): Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, Flash (Barry Allen), Aquaman, Batman (Bruce Wayne)
    vs.
    Justice League (1987): Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson), Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi), Black Canary, Mister Miracle (Scott Free), Blue Beetle


Originals easily unless Fate manages to magically take out a couple of the big guns.


    Quote:
    Teen Titans (1970): Kid Flash (Wally West), Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Hawk (Hank Hall), Dove (Don Hall), Robin (Dick Grayson), Speedy (Roy Harper), Lilith Clay
    vs.
    Teen Titans (2003): Kid Flash (Bart Allen), Wonder Girl (Cassandra Sandmark), Superboy (Kon-El), Starfire, Robin (Tim Drake), Cyborg, Beast Boy


I'd say the new team is much higher-powered.


    Quote:
    X-Men (1963): Marvel Girl (Jean Grey), Iceman, Cyclops, Angel, Beast
    vs.
    X-Men (1980): Storm, Colossus, Wolverine, Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler


I'd say the originals later on in their career could take out the new kids, but just starting out? The new team beats them.



Posted with Mozilla 11.0 on Windows 7

Alvaro's Comicboards powered by On Topic™ © 2003-2017 Powermad Software