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Bk Ray

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Both team up to take the gauntlet.

Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel (Carole), Quasar

Dr Strange, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Namor, Valkerie

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Barry), Green Arrow (Ollie)

Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern (Hal), Aquaman, Plastic Man, Zatanna

Hercules, Vision, Sersi, Black Knight, Black Widow, Crystal

Captain Marvel, Green Lantern (Alan), Flash (Jay), Power Girl, Black Adam, Dr Fate







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In theory, the only beings listed that even have a small chance of effecting Hela are:
Thor
Strange
Sersi
Fate
Since they’re spread out throughout the gauntlet they shouldn’t really cause any real problems for her.

Round 1:
Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel (Carole), Quasar
Thor tries to engage Hela while Thanos destroys everyone else, then helps Hela – if needed.
No damage to either

Round 2:
Dr Strange, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Namor, Valkerie
Hela kills Strange, Hulk and Valkerie
Thanos kills Surfer and Namor
No damage to either

Round 3:
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Barry), Green Arrow (Ollie)
Superman and Flash keep Thanos busy, but the rest get killed quickly by Hela
No damage to either

Round 4:
Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern (Hal), Aquaman, Plastic Man, Zatanna
No one here can harm either of them as Hela can easily kill them all.
No damage to either

Round 5:
Hercules, Vision, Sersi, Black Knight, Black Widow, Crystal
Another slaughter since only Sersi can effect either one.
No damage to either

They were probably having fun going through the first 5 rounds.

Round 6:
Captain Marvel, Green Lantern (Alan), Flash (Jay), Power Girl, Black Adam, Dr Fate
This is the toughest group but they still fall short.
Captain Marvel and Black Adam could battle Thanos for a while, but the rest have 0% chance against Hela and die quickly.

They make it though the gauntlet – probably laughing and having a good time, because that’s what they live for.


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Against Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel (Carol), Quasar, Thanos and Hela go down to 75% health.

Against Dr Strange, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Namor, Valkyrie, Thanos and Hela go down to 50% health.

Against Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Barry), Green Arrow (Ollie), Thanos and Hela go down to 25% health.

Against Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern (Hal), Aquaman, Plastic Man, Zatanna, Thanos and Hela go down to 5% health.

Thanos and Hela go down against Hercules, Vision, Sersi, Black Knight, Black Widow, Crystal.






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Do you realize that all of them would die from a single touch by Hela except:
Thor, Hercules and possibly Valkyrie and Sersi

All of the others die with one touch.
Actually she doesn't even have to touch them, she can fire bolts of aging energy, even while she's in her astral form and can't be harmed.

Example: Group 3
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash (Barry), Green Arrow (Ollie)

All of them age a few hundred years (and die) with a wave of her hand.

It's almost as if they were trying to fight Odin, they have no chance.



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    Do you realize that all of them would die from a single touch by Hela except:
    Thor, Hercules and possibly Valkyrie and Sersi



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    All of the others die with one touch.
    Actually she doesn't even have to touch them, she can fire bolts of aging energy, even while she's in her astral form and can't be harmed.


It's possible, but that would be a high showing for Hela. Thor has beaten Hela one-on-one before, but that's also on the lower end for her. I tried to play it down the middle.






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Bk Ray

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Hela looked pretty wasted after a Cyclops, Storm (powered up with a Mjonilor replica) and Baby Phoenix combo.

She retreated after hearing Thor was at her kingdom. But wasn't looking good until then.





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What a ridiculous character! Her and Thanos should get married and live happily ever after my gods...




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She once cursed Thor with fragile bones and an inablility to die. Could she make everyone's bones fragile?


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Bk Ray

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For years, I have been saying she is Thanos class and everyone thought I was being stupid. Now, everyone is saying she is above.....

Hela is teambuster.





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Comicguy1


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I really like the character, but isn't she really powerful only in her dimension? I think that it's the same with Pluto, Satannish, etc. They all should be pretty equal in power, for the most part.


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Scroll down to power and abilities.
Class 100 strength
Near Limitless Stamina
Near Limitless Durability
Healing Factor
Skilled Warrior
Magic Manipulation
Control over life and death

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Hela_(Earth-616)




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    I really like the character, but isn't she really powerful only in her dimension?


That you even have to ask this question makes your evaluation of Hela suspect. You seem to do this a lot in which you admit you've barely read a character but you feel well suited to offer an opinion on the character despite that limited knowledge. Now I happen to agree that Hela isn't as powerful as latter-day Thanos, but she's still plenty powerful and she has her death touch even outside of her realm. Nevertheless, you should only offer your opinion if it's an informed one.


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    I think that it's the same with Pluto, Satannish, etc. They all should be pretty equal in power, for the most part.


They are pretty equal in power, but they are all pretty powerful. I don't think they are as powerful as Thanos when outside of their realms, but they are still above conventional herald levelers.





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    Quote:
    Scroll down to power and abilities.
    Class 100 strength
    Near Limitless Stamina
    Near Limitless Durability
    Healing Factor
    Skilled Warrior
    Magic Manipulation
    Control over life and death


Thor has most of those powers, and he's not near Odin level. When Odin and Hela fought, Odin won pretty easily. She's plenty powerful, but still not near Odin level.




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JesusFan


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Outside of her domain, around Thor, I think!


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JesusFan


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Karnilla, as Queen of the norns, seems to be at least her equal!


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Braugi


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I could see her being depicted at near Odin levels in her realm, but Death gods in their realms have significant variability. Seth was nigh omnipotent, though Loki held him off for a while. Mephisto has been very powerful in his own realm, but also beaten by Thor (and not with Thor as a major underdog either)

Outside her realm, I'd say she's slightly above Thor level, as are most death gods.


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    For years, I have been saying she is Thanos class and everyone thought I was being stupid. Now, everyone is saying she is above.....
Not really but she is powerful in her realm.


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    Hela is teambuster.
Honestly I think the movie Hela is more powerful than her comic version which is saying a lot since I think most movie versions are watered down from their comic book counter parts. In the comics Hela would only be a team buster if she can use her powers of life/death. If she faced things that her power can't effect she will get beaten. Thor proved this when he fought Hela in her realm and covered his arms so she couldn't touch him. So she can be a team buster if she can get to or effect the team.  




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She withstood an attack from Baby Phoenix and a Thor level version of Storm, plus Cyclops, plus an onslaught from the Valkyries,, with Loki hiding underneath the table and with an army of Asgardians nearby and about a dozen X-Men/New Mutants surrounding her.

This included an amped Sunspot and an amped Magik.

She then went off to fight Thor.

She was clearly affected by Phoenix and Storm, but wasn't looking like she was going to give up either.






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He's all over the place. Both Surfer and Galactus have fought him evenly in his realm.

There was a fight if I recall, where Dr Strange looked petrified at the thought of him and Silver Surfer taking him on.

But then he's been outprepped by Black Panther and knocked around by Hulk IIRC. He's also been outshone by Thanos in their encounters.

There could be a good argument anywhere between Herald and Skyfather.





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Norvell


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It was shown that the Grandmaster was able to keep pace with the Runner and Makkari (accelerated beyond even Runner speed) with his space-time powers. Hela likewise has space-time powers.


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    Quote:
    They are pretty equal in power, but they are all pretty powerful. I don't think they are as powerful as Thanos when outside of their realms, but they are still above conventional herald levelers.


It's difficult to say how powerful Thanos is without his technology. I always pegged him at around Durok level, maybe a bit higher (Durok was about 1.5x the Surfer, maybe 2x). I think Kurse would beat Thanos hand-to-hand, for example.

A case could be made for Thanos being maybe double the power of a herald, maybe 2.5x, but I'd have trouble going much beyond that.

The 'X' factor is Thanos' technology, IMO. Galactus almost exhausted himself breaking through his shields, and it took Odin repeated blasts. Champion and Thor needed the Power Gem to break through (or almost break through, in Tryco's case).

When you factor in the technology, Thanos hits a bit a above his weight class. More than people suspect, IMO.


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Reverend Meteor


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Maybe they should date instead. She's totally his type.







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    Quote:

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      They are pretty equal in power, but they are all pretty powerful. I don't think they are as powerful as Thanos when outside of their realms, but they are still above conventional herald levelers.



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    It's difficult to say how powerful Thanos is without his technology. I always pegged him at around Durok level, maybe a bit higher (Durok was about 1.5x the Surfer, maybe 2x). I think Kurse would beat Thanos hand-to-hand, for example.



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    A case could be made for Thanos being maybe double the power of a herald, maybe 2.5x, but I'd have trouble going much beyond that.



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    The 'X' factor is Thanos' technology, IMO. Galactus almost exhausted himself breaking through his shields, and it took Odin repeated blasts. Champion and Thor needed the Power Gem to break through (or almost break through, in Tryco's case).


Not sure I agree that Galactus almost exhausted himself. His statement was something like "Impressive technology, I have never had to exert so much effort to pierce a mere force field". But even then his attack hurt Thanos quite a bit. Or at least seemed to. Likely with what hit him before shields were up.

Galactus did not seem exhausted at that juncture. IMO. Nore really did Odin. That said, the techs ability to temporarily thwart such powers is impressive.


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    When you factor in the technology, Thanos hits a bit a above his weight class. More than people suspect, IMO.







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        They are pretty equal in power, but they are all pretty powerful. I don't think they are as powerful as Thanos when outside of their realms, but they are still above conventional herald levelers.

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        It's difficult to say how powerful Thanos is without his technology. I always pegged him at around Durok level, maybe a bit higher (Durok was about 1.5x the Surfer, maybe 2x). I think Kurse would beat Thanos hand-to-hand, for example.

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          A case could be made for Thanos being maybe double the power of a herald, maybe 2.5x, but I'd have trouble going much beyond that.

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            The 'X' factor is Thanos' technology, IMO. Galactus almost exhausted himself breaking through his shields, and it took Odin repeated blasts. Champion and Thor needed the Power Gem to break through (or almost break through, in Tryco's case).



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    Not sure I agree that Galactus almost exhausted himself. His statement was something like "Impressive technology, I have never had to exert so much effort to pierce a mere force field". But even then his attack hurt Thanos quite a bit. Or at least seemed to. Likely with what hit him before shields were up.



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    Galactus did not seem exhausted at that juncture. IMO. Nore really did Odin. That said, the techs ability to temporarily thwart such powers is impressive.


I may be wrong, but I recall Galactus mentioning that he was in a weakened position when he had to face the Hunger (because of Thanos). I probably overstated the exhaustion, but he exerted a significant amount of his resources, IIRC.


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    If she faced things that her power can't effect she will get beaten. Thor proved this when he fought Hela in her realm and covered his arms so she couldn't touch him. So she can be a team buster if she can get to or effect the team. 


This is true, but Thor restricted the battle to hand-to-hand. Hela would have destroyed him if she fought using her full power. Thor appealed to her ego, at wanting to best Thor physically.



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    I may be wrong, but I recall Galactus mentioning that he was in a weakened position when he had to face the Hunger (because of Thanos). I probably overstated the exhaustion, but he exerted a significant amount of his resources, IIRC.


You are correct on that point, Norvell. Here are two scans, one showing that Galactus is well-nourished before he fights Thanos and one after in which now his hunger is thundering.





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    Quote:

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      They are pretty equal in power, but they are all pretty powerful. I don't think they are as powerful as Thanos when outside of their realms, but they are still above conventional herald levelers.



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    It's difficult to say how powerful Thanos is without his technology. I always pegged him at around Durok level, maybe a bit higher (Durok was about 1.5x the Surfer, maybe 2x). I think Kurse would beat Thanos hand-to-hand, for example.


I agree that Thanos without using energy attacks, psi, or tech would probably lose to the Beyonder-enhanced Kurse in a direct fist fight.


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    A case could be made for Thanos being maybe double the power of a herald, maybe 2.5x, but I'd have trouble going much beyond that.


Again, without tech, I'd say that's about right, but 2.5 peak herald-levelers.


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    The 'X' factor is Thanos' technology, IMO. Galactus almost exhausted himself breaking through his shields, and it took Odin repeated blasts. Champion and Thor needed the Power Gem to break through (or almost break through, in Tryco's case).


Yes.


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    When you factor in the technology, Thanos hits a bit a above his weight class. More than people suspect, IMO.


Right. I think his shields were a big help in keeping him in the fight with Odin. When I talk about Thanos, I do assume his tech is part of his formidability as Iron Man's suit is part of Stark's. And I rank Thanos higher than Hela because their only mutual opponent that I can think of other than Thor is Odin and Thanos fared notably better against Odin than Hela did.




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    Right. I think his shields were a big help in keeping him in the fight with Odin. When I talk about Thanos, I do assume his tech is part of his formidability as Iron Man's suit is part of Stark's. And I rank Thanos higher than Hela because their only mutual opponent that I can think of other than Thor is Odin and Thanos fared notably better against Odin than Hela did.


Gah! My message was rejected due to the size of my images. Sigh. Basically, I agree with your logic, but Odin is a notoriously poor benchmark. Odin knows Hela, he didn't know the measure of Thanos or his defenses.

Also, Odin himself is a death god of sorts. Hela was trying to annex Valhalla (Odin's death realm) when they fought, and it's unclear that Hela had any actual claim to the realm they were 'fighting' in.

Just something to consider.


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          They are pretty equal in power, but they are all pretty powerful. I don't think they are as powerful as Thanos when outside of their realms, but they are still above conventional herald levelers.

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          It's difficult to say how powerful Thanos is without his technology. I always pegged him at around Durok level, maybe a bit higher (Durok was about 1.5x the Surfer, maybe 2x). I think Kurse would beat Thanos hand-to-hand, for example.

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            A case could be made for Thanos being maybe double the power of a herald, maybe 2.5x, but I'd have trouble going much beyond that.

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              The 'X' factor is Thanos' technology, IMO. Galactus almost exhausted himself breaking through his shields, and it took Odin repeated blasts. Champion and Thor needed the Power Gem to break through (or almost break through, in Tryco's case).

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        Not sure I agree that Galactus almost exhausted himself. His statement was something like "Impressive technology, I have never had to exert so much effort to pierce a mere force field". But even then his attack hurt Thanos quite a bit. Or at least seemed to. Likely with what hit him before shields were up.

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          Galactus did not seem exhausted at that juncture. IMO. Nore really did Odin. That said, the techs ability to temporarily thwart such powers is impressive.



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    I may be wrong, but I recall Galactus mentioning that he was in a weakened position when he had to face the Hunger (because of Thanos). I probably overstated the exhaustion, but he exerted a significant amount of his resources, IIRC.


That was my only real contention. He was not exhausted after the effort but did note the loss of vital energy. Something zvelf points out in his scans.

Galactus clearly had to exert effort, as indicated in his initial point you bring up. My only gripe was the amount of energy it did. He is not out of energy. He is hungering at that point but that is always a wild card with Galactus. At what point does it start? And how much it affects his power has a high degree of variability unless he is starving.

Regardless, my point was only against exhaustion. Not that it did not drain energy.




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I did not state that it did not drain Galactus some, but it is clear he is not exhausted either or incapable of many other actions. When the Hunger is released Thanos has Galactus throw a ton of power at him.

I imagine we would have heard a comment from Galactus if his power was at a very low ebb going into that. The attack did nothing of note, but that seemed to be the point.

Really, that whole arc was a bit strange in some respects. Galactus's power is well beyond planetary. But he was defeated by smashing two planets together. One can make a case of energy vs physical attacks but just was strange to me. Or that such an attack would be able to have a real probability of destroying Galactus.

At least in my view. Numerous nations have had fleets capable of destroying many planets failing to even get his notice. That is still not slamming two planets together per se, but he has taken a vast amount of damage without issue. Conversely, in a hungry enough state (or even satiated) weaker attacks have gotten his notice.





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