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TheMadTitan


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Are these the categories mainly used by the board for ‘power levels’?

Street
Meta
Enhanced meta
Prime meta
Herald
Teambuster
Sky-father
Cosmic/Abstract

If not what are they and if so could you guys put 5-10 examples in each category? Having a hard job placing people like current Drax, Venom, Super Skrull etc.

Thanks in advance \:\)

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zvelf


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    Are these the categories mainly used by the board for ‘power levels’?


Yes.

Here is how I'd place some characters (all are in their classic, normal modes):

Street: Conan the Barbarian, Lady Shiva, Punisher, Joker, Misty Knight
Meta: Deathstroke, Hawkman, Vixen, Captain America, Elongated Man
Enhanced meta: She-Hulk, Starfire, Spider-Man, Venom, Drax the Destroyer (current)
Prime meta: Dr. Doom, most Green Lanterns, Super-Skrull, Emma Frost, Red Tornado
Elite meta (herald): Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Power Girl, Sersi, Exodus (and of course all of Galactus' heralds)
Teambuster: Superboy Prime, Thanos, Darkseid, Mordru, Amazo
Sky-father: Chthon, Odin, Yuga Khan, Trigon, The Stranger
Abstract: Living Tribunal, Phoenix Force, Michael Demiurgos, Eternity, The Source





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motifian


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Street: Conan the Barbarian, Lady Shiva, Punisher, Joker, Misty Knight
    Meta: Deathstroke, Hawkman, Vixen, Captain America, Elongated Man
    Enhanced meta: She-Hulk, Starfire, Spider-Man, Venom, Drax the Destroyer (current)
    Prime meta: Dr. Doom, most Green Lanterns, Super-Skrull, Emma Frost, Red Tornado
    Elite meta (herald): Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Power Girl, Sersi, Exodus (and of course all of Galactus' heralds)
    Teambuster: Superboy Prime, Thanos, Darkseid, Mordru, Amazo
    Sky-father: Chthon, Odin, Yuga Khan, Trigon, The Stranger
    Abstract: Living Tribunal, Phoenix Force, Michael Demiurgos, Eternity, The Source


Stranger is skyfather but Mordru and Darkseid aren't?


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TheMadTitan


Member Since: Fri Aug 15, 2014
Posts: 169


Awesome - appreciate that \:\)




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Bk Ray

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      Are these the categories mainly used by the board for ‘power levels’?



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    Yes.



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    Here is how I'd place some characters (all are in their classic, normal modes):



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    Street: Conan the Barbarian, Lady Shiva, Punisher, Joker, Misty Knight, BATMAN
    Meta: Deathstroke, Hawkman, Vixen, Captain America, Elongated Man
    Enhanced meta: She-Hulk, Starfire, Spider-Man, Venom, Drax the Destroyer (current)
    Prime meta: Dr. Doom, most Green Lanterns, Super-Skrull, Emma Frost, Red Tornado, Captain Marvel, RONAN THE ACCUSER
    Elite meta (herald): Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Power Girl, Sersi, Exodus (and of course all of Galactus' heralds), GREEN LANTERN: SODAM YAT
    Teambuster: SUPERBOY PRIME, Thanos, Darkseid, Mordru, Amazo, Hela
    Sky-father: CHTON, Odin, Yuga Khan, Trigon, The Stranger
    Abstract: Living Tribunal, Phoenix Force, Michael Demiurgos, Eternity, The Source


Zvelf has been quite diplomatic here. Darkseid can be seen anywhere between herald and skyfather depending on where he is seen. At one moment he is mind controlling billions of daxamites, other times, it's not clear if he is scared of Martian Manhunter. The argument is that a lot of times, he appears he is an avatar of himself. I've put in caps, who I think are the highest end characters in their categories.

I'm glad to see Zvelf has put Power Girl as herald here. I would disagree with the GL's being shown as PM, but then someone like G'nort is either PM or EM, Kilowog, John etc are herald IMHO.

You also get the troublesome one's, Daredevil has powers but he is a street, Punisher, Elektra, Kingpin, Batman are decent fights for him. Is Angel a meta? He can fly, but no one would take him in a tournament and someone like Hawkeye could take him. I think Cyclops is an EM, most people think he's a meta.

I also feel we need 2 more categories, one above skyfather to show Elder Gods (Chton, Gaea, Oshtur, Set) and the Celestials (they are classically higher than Galactus and at the least, don't have his weaknesses). However, they will be many people here who disagree.

The other category would be in abstract. There is a clear pecking order. Death and Eternity are over Lord Chaos, but should be in one category, possibly the Endless. Then there are the multiversal powers, such as Living Tribunal, Lucifer Morningstar and possibly and argument for the Infinity Gauntlet (although, strictly speaking it is not multiversal). Then you have the supreme powers, the Presence, the Source.





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makkari1


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 3,703



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          Here is how I'd place some characters (all are in their classic, normal modes):

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            Street: Conan the Barbarian, Lady Shiva, Punisher, Joker, Misty Knight, BATMAN
            Meta: Deathstroke, Hawkman, Vixen, Captain America, Elongated Man
            Enhanced meta: She-Hulk, Starfire, Spider-Man, Venom, Drax the Destroyer (current)
            Prime meta: Dr. Doom, most Green Lanterns, Super-Skrull, Emma Frost, Red Tornado, Captain Marvel, RONAN THE ACCUSER
            Elite meta (herald): Superman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Power Girl, Sersi, Exodus (and of course all of Galactus' heralds), GREEN LANTERN: SODAM YAT
            Teambuster: SUPERBOY PRIME, Thanos, Darkseid, Mordru, Amazo, Hela
            Sky-father: CHTON, Odin, Yuga Khan, Trigon, The Stranger
            Abstract: Living Tribunal, Phoenix Force, Michael Demiurgos, Eternity, The Source



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    Zvelf has been quite diplomatic here. Darkseid can be seen anywhere between herald and skyfather depending on where he is seen. At one moment he is mind controlling billions of daxamites, other times, it's not clear if he is scared of Martian Manhunter. The argument is that a lot of times, he appears he is an avatar of himself. I've put in caps, who I think are the highest end characters in their categories.



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    I'm glad to see Zvelf has put Power Girl as herald here. I would disagree with the GL's being shown as PM, but then someone like G'nort is either PM or EM, Kilowog, John etc are herald IMHO.



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    You also get the troublesome one's, Daredevil has powers but he is a street, Punisher, Elektra, Kingpin, Batman are decent fights for him. Is Angel a meta? He can fly, but no one would take him in a tournament and someone like Hawkeye could take him. I think Cyclops is an EM, most people think he's a meta.



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    I also feel we need 2 more categories, one above skyfather to show Elder Gods (Chton, Gaea, Oshtur, Set) and the Celestials (they are classically higher than Galactus and at the least, don't have his weaknesses). However, they will be many people here who disagree.



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    The other category would be in abstract. There is a clear pecking order. Death and Eternity are over Lord Chaos, but should be in one category, possibly the Endless. Then there are the multiversal powers, such as Living Tribunal, Lucifer Morningstar and possibly and argument for the Infinity Gauntlet (although, strictly speaking it is not multiversal). Then you have the supreme powers, the Presence, the Source.

With in each of these categories there are hierarchies and overlapping into other categories. Some characters can be considered the top in their category but a low level in a higher rank. Galactus for example is a cosmic being among the top in his grouping but he can also be considered a low level abstract. When dealing with mystical beings the grouping can be a bit murky. Some mystics are on a cosmic level and pushing abstract while others are considered low level skyfathers. I've read comics for a very very long time and nothing is really set in stone. Depending on the writer characters bleed into all categories to fit the story. These groupings are considered a guideline instead of a rigid fact that can't be changed.  






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Braugi


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I think it kind of depends on your views of PM vs. Herald, and even EM....yeah, thats an obvious statement, but, based on a lot of the showings since all the spectrum stuff has come out, GLs seem very vulnerable.

I could see many GL's losing to someone like Thing, Invisible Woman, etc....and they are at EM and PM respectively.

Prior to the early 2000's, in post crisis continuity, I would have ranked almost all GL's as PM or herald, but now I'm not sure any but the very best would qualify for the herald level. Some, those with innate super strength and durability probably would.

BUT, then I also think PM has become too diluted over time. My view is still that a PM might have planetary level powers, but more monofocused...Magneto, Graviton, Immortal Hercules fall in the category...Herc doesn't have versatility, Mags and GRaviton can put up force fields, but if they take one shot they're human durability etc. I even think Dr. Strange could well be considered PM, despite having some showings better than most heralds...he's also been owned by Spider Man at least twice (and yes, I mean owned)....

By that calculus, no, I don't think the rank and file GL's operate above EM level (but then, I think Warbird era Carol Danvers and Thunderstrike hover at the EM/PM barrier, though probably on the top end EM side).

But again, I hold the line high for PM, and high for herald.

I agree with what you've said for the most part, however.




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motifian


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    I think it kind of depends on your views of PM vs. Herald, and even EM....yeah, thats an obvious statement, but, based on a lot of the showings since all the spectrum stuff has come out, GLs seem very vulnerable.


Are you sure? Simon Baz recently took on the entire League minus Superman combined.


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    I could see many GL's losing to someone like Thing, Invisible Woman, etc....and they are at EM and PM respectively.


Which showings support that?


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    Prior to the early 2000's, in post crisis continuity, I would have ranked almost all GL's as PM or herald, but now I'm not sure any but the very best would qualify for the herald level. Some, those with innate super strength and durability probably would.


Not really, GLs are as powerful as ever.


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    BUT, then I also think PM has become too diluted over time. My view is still that a PM might have planetary level powers, but more monofocused...Magneto, Graviton, Immortal Hercules fall in the category...Herc doesn't have versatility, Mags and GRaviton can put up force fields, but if they take one shot they're human durability etc. I even think Dr. Strange could well be considered PM, despite having some showings better than most heralds...he's also been owned by Spider Man at least twice (and yes, I mean owned)....



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    By that calculus, no, I don't think the rank and file GL's operate above EM level (but then, I think Warbird era Carol Danvers and Thunderstrike hover at the EM/PM barrier, though probably on the top end EM side).



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    But again, I hold the line high for PM, and high for herald.



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    I agree with what you've said for the most part, however.





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Braugi


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Posts: 775


but had a lot of poor showings in the 2000's, with some good ones as well. I'll pull some scans later and show you.

But then, it also depends on where you see the other PM's I listed. Invisible Woman took on a handful of high end powerhouses when Valeria was threatened, and took them out casually.

Magneto and Graviton have some uber showings (Graviton took out almost every hero on Earth simultaneously, for instance).




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motifian


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    but had a lot of poor showings in the 2000's, with some good ones as well. I'll pull some scans later and show you.


They have good and poor showings just like any other character.

There are no depowering of GLs


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    But then, it also depends on where you see the other PM's I listed. Invisible Woman took on a handful of high end powerhouses when Valeria was threatened, and took them out casually.



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    Magneto and Graviton have some uber showings (Graviton took out almost every hero on Earth simultaneously, for instance).


Exactly.




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