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Knight


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Go with the versions your most familiar with.

General Zod
Ursa/Faora
Supergirl
Superman
Doomsday (Most powerful, best version)
Darkseid
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel (Billy Batson)
Black Adam
Bizarro
Eradicator
Cyborg Superman
Mongul
Superboy-Prime





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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UName


Member Since: Tue Mar 10, 2015
Posts: 872


Seems a pretty even field overall behind the outliers.

These two are definitely strongest, I put Doomsday on top due to his evolving power set.

Doomsday (Most powerful, best version)
Superboy-Prime

Pretty even between these. Bizarro might be lower or much lower depending on how defective he is in a particular version. He should be in theory be exactly as strong as Superman?

Darkseid
Superman
Bizarro
General Zod

Might be a small gap here, not sure.

Captain Marvel (Billy Batson)
Black Adam

A little bigger gap here at least.

Martian Manhunter
Wonder Woman
Ursa/Faora
Supergirl

Not sure about these at all, could be in Superman's class, could be lower, could even be a little higher.

Eradicator
Cyborg Superman
Mongul



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Braugi


Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017
Posts: 763




In general, going with Post Crisis continuity, and pre New 52:

Superboy Prime tops the list, and by a fair margin

Doomsday: except for one awful showing, I think he's stronger
than Supes et.al., but not overwhelmingly so

Superman, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Orion, Darkseid, Bizarro are all pretty much peers in strength. Most recent Darkseid is above.

Cyborg Superman is a tough call...he should be as strong as the others above, but never stands up to stiff competition well.

Supergirl, Eradicator: sometimes on the level above, but when the chips are down, I think SG is as strong as a very athletic woman relative to a very muscular guy in Superman. Eradicator probably should be higher, but got punked so easily during ROS I just can't quite put him on that level.

Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter: WW has showings that put her asa peer to Supergirl, but for many years of post crisis, during her space exploration adventures etc. she was portrayed as more a mid leveller who wouldn't be in the class of these others. IMO she has also always been shown as at a substantial strength disadvantage when head to head with Supes, though made up for with superlative skill.


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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 11,493



    Quote:

    Go with the versions your most familiar with.


1. Superboy-Prime
2. Doomsday (Most powerful, best version)
3. Bizarro (not the New 52 version), Black Adam, Captain Marvel (Billy Batson), Superman (Bizarro is by far the most inept of these four so in actual effectiveness, he's lower than they are even if theoretically he's as strong)
4. General Zod (because he's had less long term exposure to a yellow sun than Superman)
5. Cyborg Superman, Martian Manhunter, Mongul, Supergirl, Ursa/Faora, Wonder Woman
6. Eradicator

Darkseid has too few straightforward strength feats to give him a clear ranking.




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Knight


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Posts: 9,826



1. SUPERBOY-PRIME: I actually have scans to prove this guy can move planets. That fact is easy to miss, but I have recently re-read Infinite Crisis and saved the evidence. Even if he's not a planet mover, he is EASILY stronger than every character on this list considering how hard it was to beat this guy.

2. DOOMSDAY: He may have no "lifting" feats (or very few of them), but whenever he fights Superman, it's obvious who is stronger. On top of that, Doomsday devastated the GLC thousands of years ago in Doomsday: Year One, demolished two different versions of the Justice League, beat Orion AND the Martian Manhunter at the same time and not even Wonder Woman herself could stand up to him for long. Plus, Doomsday beat Darkseid in just seconds. As much as some fans would like to think that was an avatar, there is no evidence to support such a theory.

3. DARKSEID: It's hard to quantify Darkseid's strength when he has so few lifting feats. His fights with Superman place him at least a peer in strength, perhaps a little stronger or weaker depending on the writer. However, recently Darkseid has shown the ability to beat the entire Justice League before being beaten himself. Not even Superman could take this guy on by himself (as it should be). He's also faced Wonder Woman in her own book just a month or two ago and not even she could beat him when he was still a teenager. And then he went on to kill Zeus. That's how powerful Darkseid is. He's more than earned his spot as #3 on my list because of all that.

4. SUPERMAN, GENERAL ZOD, BIZARRO, CAPTAIN MARVEL (Billy Batson), BLACK ADAM: I placed General Zod as equal to Superman because some months ago, he had Superman at his mercy in a fight with no help from anyone else. Bizarro is a clone, so that places him in the same ranking as Superman even if he cannot, or will not, ever utilize his strength the same way Superman does. Billy has been repeatedly said to be Superman's equal many times, even by Superman himself. They have even arm wrestled for hours without a winner being determined. And because Billy has beaten Black Adam repeatedly, I place Adam on even footing with Superman because of his highest end feat: World War III. Adam took on most of the strongest beings of the DCU and nearly won. That's got to count for something, right?

5. SUPERGIRL, URSA/FAORA, MARTIAN MANHUNTER, ERADICATOR, CYBORG SUPERMAN: Ursa/Faora might be stronger than Kara but they haven't proved it. And since she is a fully adult Kryptonian, she already has a high level of strength, so she's at least Kara's equal. J'onn moved a third of the Earth along with Superman and Diana, so his strength is up there too. However, Kara once had the Martian at her mercy, so she might be a smidgen stronger than him. Eradicator and Cyborg SHOULD be equal with Superman but they haven't proven it. But each one is a tough cookie so they get placed here.

It's worth noting that in the Post Crisis/New Earth Continuity Supergirl once beat Ultraman, who is every bit Superman's equal in strength. This was at a time where she lived a year in the bottled city of Kandor, conserving her powers (no access to yellow sunlight) and in a weakened condition while Ultraman was fully powered. Kara fought Ultraman again later when she was a member of the Justice League. That fight ended in a stalemate. And that alone is why I have ranked her here. The only thing stopping me from putting Supergirl higher on my list is the fact she doesn't have nearly as many strength feats as some of the ones I've placed above her. Still, these feats are incredibly impressive, which is why I rank her here on my list.

6. MONGUL: Mongul once fought Superman, Batman AND Wonder Woman at the same time. None of them could stop him from escaping. Some fans think this fight proved Mongul one shot Diana but it's not. Still, he did knock her away some distance and he fought her as well as Superman at the same time. For me, that puts Mongul ahead of her in strength. What stops Mongul from being ranked higher is the fact that Cyborg Superman easily proved who is stronger between the two.

7. WONDER WOMAN: Based on feats, I place Wonder Woman here. She once moved a third of the Earth with help from Superman and J'onn but she has never duplicated a feat even close to that since then. And that is her best strength feat. Usually just a little weaker than Superman, she's still at least two steps down from him in strength. If she's shown to be stronger, or better, it's only through her superb martial arts skills rather than with her raw physical strength. And that easily leads to some fans getting the misconception that she's stronger than she actually is when, in reality, she's not.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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bragagain007


Member Since: Tue Dec 27, 2016
Posts: 429



    Quote:

    Go with the versions your most familiar with.



    Quote:
    General Zod
    Ursa/Faora
    Supergirl
    Superman
    Doomsday (Most powerful, best version)
    Darkseid
    Wonder Woman
    Martian Manhunter
    Captain Marvel (Billy Batson)
    Black Adam
    Bizarro
    Eradicator
    Cyborg Superman
    Mongul
    Superboy-Prime


Superboy-Prime - i agree with most everyone else he is several levels above everyone else on this list.

Doomsday - not many lifting feats but his manhandling of others with awesome lifting feats shows his best version is above everyone below by a level or two.

Darkseid / Superman / Captain Marvel / Black Adam (post-crisis) / current General Zod / Bizarro / Mongul the senior - these are the cream of the crop powerhouses on this DC list and they usually overpower those below and usually break even or need tactics to out do each other.

Average showing General Zod / Wonder Woman / Martian Manhunter / Mongul the Junior - these are the top level powerhouses but usually fall slightly short of the guys above.

Eradicator / Cyborg Superman / Supergirl / Ursa or Faora - this the group that overpowers most everyone is DC except the groups above




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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 16,869


although would probably rate Darkseid higher. More for indirect combat feats against known strong characters.




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