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Bk Ray');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 8,653 |
Subject: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' Posted Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 02:50:07 am EST (Viewed 402 times) | |
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If Odin is a 100. What is Thor? What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer? What is Agamotto? What is Dr Strange? What is Surtur? What is Dormmammu? What is Arishem, the Celestial? Assume, we are talking about the mode, here. Moderator: Star Trek Board ''He stood alone at Gjallerbru... and that answer is enough.''
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 03:11:38 am EST (Viewed 348 times) | |
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This is probably prone to generate an absolute ton of opinions. Quote: If Odin is a 100. What is Thor? Assuming a more classic version of Thor, I'd say Thor is a 60. There was rarely much doubt in my mind that both Odin and Thor knew Odin could significantly outclass Thor if he needed/wanted to. Quote: What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer?Galactus is a 130, assuming fed and ready to roll. He should probably be higher given his statein the universe, but he just has so many bad showings. SS is a 30-40. He's under Thor and Odin. I think Odin one-shotted him at one point. Quote: What is Agamotto? What is Dr Strange?Agamotto is a 120. Strange a 30-40. Quote: What is Surtur? What is Dormmammu? What is Arishem, the Celestial?Dormammu has so many restrictions based on his dimension, magical alignments, and other random factors. Assuming they both met under conditions of peak power, I'd give Dormammu a 130. Quote: Assume, we are talking about the mode, here.
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 11:02:47 am EST (Viewed 337 times) | |
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Arishem 135 Galactus (fed) 120 Agamotto (in his own realm) 120 Odin 100 Dormammu 100 Thanos 30 Thor 10 Silver Surfer 10 Dr. Strange 9 (but could be higher if bringing prep or various magical items to bear) Once upon a time, Arishem would be even higher given that he effortlessly withstood the combined blast of three skyfathers, but the stock of Celestials have come down a lot since. Galactus and Agamotto stalemated in Agamotto's realm so I rated them the same. Dormammu, as boastful as they come, merely claimed to be the equal of Odin and Zeus, and that Odin and Dormammu were pitted in a chess match by Order and Chaos would seem to bear that out. ![]() How to make an entrance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMiOlIUGQw
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Braugi');![]() Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017 Posts: 846 |
Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 01:57:47 pm EST (Viewed 283 times) | |
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Tough gauging the mode without going through all of the respective showings, but I'll try Odin is 100 So, Thor could range from 1 to about 60. Thor was at best 10% of Heimdall when he had a portion of the Odinpower, but at other times it has seemed considerably closer. Overall, somewhere in the 10-20 range probably, so I'll go with 15. Thor 15 Surfer 15 Dr. strange 10 Firelord (for comparison) 11-12 Galactus 125 Agamotto maybe 125...seemed even with Galactus... Celestials...early on I would have said 1000 or more, but now, I have no idea, maybe 125-150 Dormy I put equal to Odin
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: zvelf] Posted Sat Feb 03, 2018 at 05:54:59 pm EST (Viewed 335 times) | |
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Quote: Arishem 135Galactus (fed) 120 Agamotto (in his own realm) 120 Odin 100 Dormammu 100 Thanos 30 Thor 10 Silver Surfer 10 Dr. Strange 9 (but could be higher if bringing prep or various magical items to bear) Quote: Once upon a time, Arishem would be even higher given that he effortlessly withstood the combined blast of three skyfathers, but the stock of Celestials have come down a lot since. Galactus and Agamotto stalemated in Agamotto's realm so I rated them the same. Dormammu, as boastful as they come, merely claimed to be the equal of Odin and Zeus, and that Odin and Dormammu were pitted in a chess match by Order and Chaos would seem to bear that out.Curious as to where you guys would put Loki if your putting Dr. Strange at 9, right below Surfer and Thor?
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zvelf');![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 12,396 |
Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Visitor] Posted Sun Feb 04, 2018 at 11:02:31 am EST (Viewed 282 times) | |
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Quote: Curious as to where you guys would put Loki if your putting Dr. Strange at 9, right below Surfer and Thor?9 as well. How to make an entrance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMiOlIUGQw
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Oliva');![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 2,775 |
Subject: Powers such as these are diffificult to gauge or measure.. [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Sun Feb 04, 2018 at 04:43:14 pm EST (Viewed 306 times) | |
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Quote: If Odin is a 100. What is Thor? Quote: What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer?Quote: What is Agamotto? What is Dr Strange?Quote: What is Surtur? What is Dormmammu? What is Arishem, the Celestial?Quote: Assume, we are talking about the mode, here.A Odin who could dispatched Surtur with just a wave of his hand (awaken after the Odin Sleep) is not the same as one who has not slept for months.. A Galactus who has devour a Planet is not the same as one who's looking for one. How could anyone truly measure the scope of powers such as these? How big of a Planet did Galactus devoured? What's it a small, medium or giant size Planet? How can you quantify Odin's Mystical powers that are a threat to the entire Multiverse itself when in its peak (see the Infinity Saga and his battle vs Seth)? How can you quantify Thor's powers when he combines the Mystical powers of Mjolnir and his Life Force at full capacity? How can you gauge Thanos powers- when he decides to siphon energies from some mysterious location? Where does Thanos powers ends and when other energy sources he taps in truly begin? What I cannot understand is how can all of the people who responded to these questions truly believes that Galactus is above Odin? What actual proves do they have? When they fought, Odin (who's a Master tactician and an Elite warrior for many countless centuries chose to head-butt his opponent when he has a weapon in his hand that could've done far more Extensive damage on his foe and NO collateral damage on his person). Let's say that Odin did not want to kill Galactus because he's a vital intricate part of the MU- well then, he could've instantly healed from his wound (immediately after he KO Galactus)from the headbutt- the same way that he restores Thor back to life fully w/o the injuries he suffered- when Odin killed him. The fact is that you don't need any writers who do not know most of the time what they're doing to tell you how strong or powerful a character is.. Spider-Man cannot touch Firelord with any part of his body because his body emanates heat far more intense that the Sun itself, but they write things like this... The trick is would you accept anything they throw at you, or you actually look for consistency.. I've chosen the latter many moons ago, simply because it's what really makes sense...
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Bk Ray');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 8,653 |
Subject: so - what are your ratings? [Re: Oliva] Posted Sun Feb 04, 2018 at 05:11:22 pm EST (Viewed 208 times) | |
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Moderator: Star Trek Board ''He stood alone at Gjallerbru... and that answer is enough.''
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bd2999');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 17,697 |
Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: zvelf] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 09:45:44 am EST (Viewed 236 times) | |
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Always thought that Dormammu should be higher than that but the showings do not bare it out. The only instance I can think of was a note in Dr. Strange. That the longer Dormammu was in the normal universe the stronger he would get until he would defeat even the Celestials. Or his showings of sort of canceling out Eternity in the one instance or defeating him with Umar. But both have asteriks with them. Look Raist bunnies...
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Braugi');![]() Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017 Posts: 846 |
Subject: In 1985 I would have said Odin was more powerful than Galactus [Re: Oliva] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 09:59:27 am EST (Viewed 241 times) | |
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but the ongoing shift away from gods and to cosmics has long since tipped the balance IMO. I find it hard to imagine a scenario where a reasonably healthy Galactus went into battle with Odin as an underdog these days.
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Braugi');![]() Member Since: Fri Jul 14, 2017 Posts: 846 |
Subject: When I set my rankings, I put Thor and Surfer at 15, Strange at 10 [Re: zvelf] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 10:04:43 am EST (Viewed 239 times) | |
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with Firelord in the 11-12 ballpark. I put Loki in the 12 ballpark, even though head to head I think Loki vs. Strange is a very close fight. I think the added strength and durability make Loki FAR more formidable in a non prep situation. I also look at Strange as essentially Surfer without the innate strength and durability, and I think Strange and Loki's magic in generally operate at similar levels. Firelord is less versatile in use of power cosmic, and isn't as strong or durable as Surfer. All in all, its a tough call, but Strange gets owned by guys like Spider Man (at least two very quick and easy losses), though he also punches out of his weight class as much as anyone and more than most....
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 12:26:53 pm EST (Viewed 235 times) | |
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Great question. Also tough to answer. Quote: If Odin is a 100. What is Thor? 15 Quote: What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer?Galactus - 125 Silver Surfer - 15 Quote: What is Agamotto? What is Dr Strange?Agamotto - 100 Dr. Strange - this is the hardest. he could be 5, he could be 100, you know? maybe not 100, but you probably get what I mean. I guess I will put him at 15 like Thor and Surfer. Quote: What is Surtur? What is Dormmammu? What is Arishem, the Celestial?Surtur - 100 Dormmammu - 95 Arishem - 120 Quote: Assume, we are talking about the mode, here.
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Subject: Re: In 1985 I would have said Odin was more powerful than Galactus [Re: Braugi] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 02:51:36 pm EST (Viewed 254 times) | |
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I tend to lose track of when some things occured in real world time, but I always gathered that if they were to battle it likely would have been a fairly intense battle. Look Raist bunnies...
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Subject: Re: In 1985 I would have said Odin was more powerful than Galactus [Re: Braugi] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 05:44:19 pm EST (Viewed 232 times) | |
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Quote: but the ongoing shift away from gods and to cosmics has long since tipped the balance IMO.Quote: I find it hard to imagine a scenario where a reasonably healthy Galactus went into battle with Odin as an underdog these days.Until a writer comes along and undo any such trend. It really does not take much to accomplish this- take what the Invisible Woman did to a Celestial Armor, and her son making Galactus his personal Herald without even tapping into any Cosmic Cube. If things do not make sense from one day to another; you'll have problems speculating about any likely scenario- it's that simple!! That's why I usually stick to the Original version- unless a character is shown to be de-powered, or his/her powers increased through artificial means, etc. If Spiderman is giving difficulty to someone with the power of Ultimus who possesses an invisible Force Field among other deadly powers- I'm not going to go along with that recent portrayal of Ultimus; same applies with Odin, Galactus and things that makes no perfect sense to anyone..
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Subject: Re: When I set my rankings, I put Thor and Surfer at 15, Strange at 10 [Re: Braugi] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 09:55:37 pm EST (Viewed 216 times) | |
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Quote: with Firelord in the 11-12 ballpark. I put Loki in the 12 ballpark, even though head to head I think Loki vs. Strange is a very close fight.I think the added strength and durability make Loki FAR more formidable in a non prep situation. I also look at Strange as essentially Surfer without the innate strength and durability, and I think Strange and Loki's magic in generally operate at similar levels. Firelord is less versatile in use of power cosmic, and isn't as strong or durable as Surfer. All in all, its a tough call, but Strange gets owned by guys like Spider Man (at least two very quick and easy losses), though he also punches out of his weight class as much as anyone and more than most.... Sounds about right. I think a lot of people have forgotten how dangerous Loki truly is--yes he's the master manipulator and prefers to have others do his dirty work for him but he's shown to be a cunning fierce fighter in the past in addition to his spell casting abilities. I agree Loki has the "without-a-doubt" clear advantage against Strange in no prep situations.
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Mon Feb 05, 2018 at 11:13:21 pm EST (Viewed 245 times) | |
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Assuming Odin is a 100 Thor: 10-15 Silver Surfer: 15-20 Galactus: 25-150 though on average I would day about 120 Agamotto: 120-150 Surfer 90-110 depending on if he is fulfilling his Ragnarok purpose Dormammu-100-200 Arishem: 150
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 02:19:50 pm EST (Viewed 247 times) | |
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Quote: If Odin is a 100. What is Thor? Quote: What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer?Quote: What is Agamotto? What is Dr Strange?I would put Agamotto in Odin's class so right around 100 or so. Dr. Strange can vary greatly depending on who he is invoking and how many entities. Remember with Dr. Strange its not his power but the being(s) who he is invoking. I would put him around 15-20. Quote: What is Surtur? What is Dormmammu? What is Arishem, the Celestial?1.) Surtur is around Odin's level 100 or so. 2.) Dormmamu is close to or equal to Odin in his own realm 100. 3.) Celestials first appearance should around 300 to 500 later retcon around 200 with Exitar at about 400. (Exitar cloned Thor and the clone had power enough to repair Mjolnir and teleport Thor to Earth in an instance.) Now Exitar can be brought down by Sue Storm. (sigh) Quote: Assume, we are talking about the mode, here.
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: makkari1] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 04:40:17 pm EST (Viewed 244 times) | |
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Quote: What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer?I always assumed Galactus could absorb only so much energy reaching a limit he couldn't go beyond and any residual/additional energy was transferred into the reserves of his spaceship.
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Bk Ray');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 8,653 |
Subject: Didn't the starship make the process more efficient? [Re: Visitor] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 05:04:57 pm EST (Viewed 213 times) | |
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 05:08:52 pm EST (Viewed 244 times) | |
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If Odin is 100: Thor is 20-25 Galactus is 125-130 on average i think. As low as 30 or 40 in early 1980s during FF 240 something (getting old - cant remember exact issues - Terrax turned on Galactus and the FF, Thor, Strange and Spider-Man i think defeated weakened Galactus - one of my favorite story arcs as a kid - i was around 10 - it was a super team-up crossover event before the big crossover events existed and have become so watered down.) Surfer is 20-25 Agamotto - not sure to be honest. Dr. Strange - 10-20 normally - but can peform up to 75 level prepared spells i think. Surtur is 100 normally - and i would say 120 with Twilight Sword. Dormammu is 50 to 75 in Earth dimension, but in the Dark Dimension i think 110 or just slightly greater than Odin. Arishem is classically 200 or more probably. These days the Celestials are not as impressive. Which began in the 90s i think. and don't know what 'we are talking about the mode, here.' means. clarifaction?
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Bk Ray');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 8,653 |
Subject: Mode - most often appearing, as opposed to high end or low end showings (or mean for that matter) [Re: bragagain007] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 05:23:46 pm EST (Viewed 226 times) | |
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Subject: Yes I remember [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 05:41:05 pm EST (Viewed 262 times) | |
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That it did. However IRRC Galactus was sated rather quickly after a world or two and any additional reserves were held in storage cells/tanks aboard his ship. It was those storage supplies Korvac absorbed when Galactus was away from his ship that transformed him into the Enemy, making him the most dangerous entity in the universe. He could absorb and add life energies from defeated adversaries to his own making him more powerful each time it occurred.
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Subject: I can't reply directly to Bragagain 007 why? [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 05:52:39 pm EST (Viewed 227 times) | |
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I'm trying to wrap my brain around, it appears most people believe Galactus is/was more powerful than Odin on average. Is there any evidence that supports this? Also why do I get a spam message when I reply? Sometimes it's really annoying. Is there a trick to avoid this?
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Bk Ray');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 8,653 |
Subject: Try using 'reply' not 'quote' [Re: Visitor] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 06:48:53 pm EST (Viewed 199 times) | |
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Subject: Re: I can't reply directly to Bragagain 007 why? [Re: Visitor] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 09:53:19 pm EST (Viewed 221 times) | |
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My opinion of Galactus being smidge higher than Odin is probably more due to Odin's failings than Galactus' feats maybe. Odin has been defeated and/ or imprisoned so many times by opposition that i cant imagine giving Galactus too hard a battle. The Dark Gods, Seth and if remwmber correctly - Surtur and Hela
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Subject: Ok - gotcha - thanks n/t [Re: Bk Ray] Posted Tue Feb 06, 2018 at 09:55:09 pm EST (Viewed 215 times) | |
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N/t
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Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: Visitor] Posted Wed Feb 07, 2018 at 09:13:34 am EST (Viewed 235 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: What is Galactus? What is Silver Surfer?Quote: I always assumed Galactus could absorb only so much energy reaching a limit he couldn't go beyond and any residual/additional energy was transferred into the reserves of his spaceship.
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Subject: Re: Yes I remember [Re: Visitor] Posted Wed Feb 07, 2018 at 09:30:18 am EST (Viewed 219 times) | |
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Quote: That it did. However IRRC Galactus was sated rather quickly after a world or two and any additional reserves were held in storage cells/tanks aboard his ship.Quote: It was those storage supplies Korvac absorbed when Galactus was away from his ship that transformed him into the Enemy, making him the most dangerous entity in the universe. He could absorb and add life energies from defeated adversaries to his own making him more powerful each time it occurred.
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bd2999');![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 17,697 |
Subject: Re: Percentage of power from 'herald' to 'skyfather' [Re: seeker] Posted Wed Feb 07, 2018 at 04:48:50 pm EST (Viewed 188 times) | |
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Assume you mean Surtur there. Look Raist bunnies...
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Subject: For some unknown reason I'm having trouble posting or uploading pics on here. Can someone provide a site to post pics on here? [Re: makkari1] Posted Wed Feb 07, 2018 at 07:33:23 pm EST (Viewed 200 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: That it did. However IRRC Galactus was sated rather quickly after a world or two and any additional reserves were held in storage cells/tanks aboard his ship.Quote: It was those storage supplies Korvac absorbed when Galactus was away from his ship that transformed him into the Enemy, making him the most dangerous entity in the universe. He could absorb and add life energies from defeated adversaries to his own making him more powerful each time it occurred.
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Subject: Re: Yes I remember [Re: makkari1] Posted Wed Feb 07, 2018 at 09:09:43 pm EST (Viewed 209 times) | |
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Quote: Quote: That it did. However IRRC Galactus was sated rather quickly after a world or two and any additional reserves were held in storage cells/tanks aboard his ship.I don’t know why I’m having trouble loading/posting scans on here. Anyway It looks like I’m going to have to break the pics up into two posts. The First one is from FF #243 and the 2nd and 3rd scans are from Silver Surfer #51. In the Surfer Scans, Thanos prepares for battle against Thanos who is in possessio of the Infinity Gems. He declares he is restored to his full might after absorbing the energies of a single world. Let me know what you think here. Quote: It was those storage supplies Korvac absorbed when Galactus was away from his ship that transformed him into the Enemy, making him the most dangerous entity in the universe. He could absorb and add life energies from defeated adversaries to his own making him more powerful each time it occurred.Yes it was a combo of the elements you stated.
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