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No Prep time.

I thought I knew who would win the majority of times here but after more contemplating now I'm not so sure.

How close of a fight is this and who wins?


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... but in a standard fight, DD's billy club gives him the edge.

This fight is also long overdue to happen in the comics. Get to it, Marvel!




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I don't see how DD can win this.
Shang-Chi is THE Master of Kung Fu. He is also
incredibly skilled with weapons.
Where as Matt may have a very slight initial advantage in using
his radar sense in a predictive battle sense. Shang Chi should be
able to eventually overwhelm him simply because he's been at this since birth. I don't see Chi having any problem defending against Matt but I see the opposite as a problem. Let's face it. Matt gets hit a lot...that's not something you want to have happen with someone of this skill level.

Put me down for Shang Chi 8/10


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In Shadowland when a possessed DD kicked the crap out of everyone. Think Shang caught himself in a stupid moment. Probably slapped himself after that issue.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1471524-sl_3_legion_cps_029.jpg

And here’s Panther giving him props..
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Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.




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    Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.


Thanks so much for the scans Nephilim. Wow your first scan does show Shang-Chi at a low showing. Very surprised there. I wish I had those issues to read everything in context.

Nephilim (or anyone else) if you don't mind, please provide where you are hosting your scans to post on here.

Zvelf-- I always personally believed Shang-Chi was more skilled than Iron Fist. The only real advantage Danny has is being able to summon his chi to his fist.

Daredevil also appears to be more skilled than Danny according to this scan. This is the last time they squared off (to my knowledge).






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    Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.


First one indicates that Danny thinks he’s better than DD. I favor current Iron Fist over DD but disagree about DD not being a match for classic Iron Fist.

The second suggests T’Challa thinks Shang-Chi is better than Danny. Or just that the martial arts community might hold him in a higher regard. Either way, I’m not so sure I agree with that.

But in the end, I favor DD over Shang-Chi due to his enhanced senses.






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      Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.



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    Thanks so much for the scans Nephilim. Wow your first scan does show Shang-Chi at a low showing. Very surprised there. I wish I had those issues to read everything in context.


It really wasn’t a low showing for Shang. Daredevil was possessed by the Beast of the Hand and pretty much defeated everyone. His losing the title remark was silly and stupid and out of character for him imo.


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    Nephilim (or anyone else) if you don't mind, please provide where you are hosting your scans to post on here.


Those were google images links. But Smugmug is a pretty cool site if you need one.


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    Zvelf-- I always personally believed Shang-Chi was more skilled than Iron Fist. The only real advantage Danny has is being able to summon his chi to his fist.



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    Daredevil also appears to be more skilled than Danny according to this scan. This is the last time they squared off (to my knowledge).



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        Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.

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        Thanks so much for the scans Nephilim. Wow your first scan does show Shang-Chi at a low showing. Very surprised there. I wish I had those issues to read everything in context.



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    It really wasn’t a low showing for Shang. Daredevil was possessed by the Beast of the Hand and pretty much defeated everyone. His losing the title remark was silly and stupid and out of character for him imo.


That's what I was meant. The losing his title remark...seemed very not in line with his character.


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      Nephilim (or anyone else) if you don't mind, please provide where you are hosting your scans to post on here.



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    Those were google images links. But Smugmug is a pretty cool site if you need one.


How did you incorporate the links to your post? I was always able to do it in the past but for some reason I'm unable to right now.


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      Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.
    First one indicates that Danny thinks he’s better than DD. I favor current Iron Fist over DD but disagree about DD not being a match for classic Iron Fist.


Danny could be wrong, but given his level of training and the context of his assessment, it doesn't sound like Danny is exuding bravado, just trying to give a frank account of Daredevil's level. I think if the author didn't want the reader to believe Danny, then it would have been easy to have another character counter that Danny is underestimating Matt.


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    The second suggests T’Challa thinks Shang-Chi is better than Danny. Or just that the martial arts community might hold him in a higher regard. Either way, I’m not so sure I agree with that.


Again, T'Challa himself is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe, is one of the smartest men in the world, and is noted for being noble and honest. Who better could assess the relative skills of Danny and Shang-Chi? Again, T'Challa could be wrong, but there's no indication that's the case.




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        Those two scans indicate that Iron Fist is more skilled than a normal Daredevil and Shang-Chi is more skilled than Iron Fist.
      First one indicates that Danny thinks he’s better than DD. I favor current Iron Fist over DD but disagree about DD not being a match for classic Iron Fist.



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    Danny could be wrong, but given his level of training and the context of his assessment, it doesn't sound like Danny is exuding bravado, just trying to give a frank account of Daredevil's level. I think if the author didn't want the reader to believe Danny, then it would have been easy to have another character counter that Danny is underestimating Matt.


Lots of writers, I’m sure you know, are fanboys as well. So sure they can express their opinions through the characters. And many of those opinions take stats and feats into consideration.. and many don’t.

I say DD was a match for classic Iron Fist.


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      The second suggests T’Challa thinks Shang-Chi is better than Danny. Or just that the martial arts community might hold him in a higher regard. Either way, I’m not so sure I agree with that.



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    Again, T'Challa himself is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe, is one of the smartest men in the world, and is noted for being noble and honest. Who better could assess the relative skills of Danny and Shang-Chi? Again, T'Challa could be wrong, but there's no indication that's the case.


I think Danny would say he’s better.






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      Danny could be wrong, but given his level of training and the context of his assessment, it doesn't sound like Danny is exuding bravado, just trying to give a frank account of Daredevil's level. I think if the author didn't want the reader to believe Danny, then it would have been easy to have another character counter that Danny is underestimating Matt.
    Lots of writers, I’m sure you know, are fanboys as well. So sure they can express their opinions through the characters. And many of those opinions take stats and feats into consideration.. and many don’t.


I don't see how that's relevant. Whatever the writers put down on the page and the editors allow is what becomes canon, and Danny's assessment that he is more skilled than Daredevil is canon. Now one can argue that Danny is wrong, but it's not an easy argument to make.


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    I say DD was a match for classic Iron Fist.


And I agree. When they had a brief skirmish under Frank Miller in the 80s, they looked at least even with Daredevil maybe looking slightly better. Iron Fist has gotten some power creep since then though.


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      Again, T'Challa himself is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe, is one of the smartest men in the world, and is noted for being noble and honest. Who better could assess the relative skills of Danny and Shang-Chi? Again, T'Challa could be wrong, but there's no indication that's the case.
    I think Danny would say he’s better.


Well, the two actually fought recently in Iron Fist #7 when Shang-Chi is mind-controlled. During the fight, Iron Fist says that Shang-Chi is probably the only person on the planet who can beat him in a martial arts fight.





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        Danny could be wrong, but given his level of training and the context of his assessment, it doesn't sound like Danny is exuding bravado, just trying to give a frank account of Daredevil's level. I think if the author didn't want the reader to believe Danny, then it would have been easy to have another character counter that Danny is underestimating Matt.
      Lots of writers, I’m sure you know, are fanboys as well. So sure they can express their opinions through the characters. And many of those opinions take stats and feats into consideration.. and many don’t.



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    I don't see how that's relevant. Whatever the writers put down on the page and the editors allow is what becomes canon, and Danny's assessment that he is more skilled than Daredevil is canon. Now one can argue that Danny is wrong, but it's not an easy argument to make.


His assessment is definitely canon. That’s my point, not confusing assessments with actual wins. Fanboy writers make many accessments all the time concerning their characters and editors will let those fly a lot easier than actual victories is all I’m saying.

And the argument against classic Danny should’nt be that hard to make.


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    And I agree. When they had a brief skirmish under Frank Miller in the 80s, they looked at least even with Daredevil maybe looking slightly better. Iron Fist has gotten some power creep since then though.


Right. Which is way I think current IF takes DD.


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        Again, T'Challa himself is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe, is one of the smartest men in the world, and is noted for being noble and honest. Who better could assess the relative skills of Danny and Shang-Chi? Again, T'Challa could be wrong, but there's no indication that's the case.
      I think Danny would say he’s better.



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    Well, the two actually fought recently in Iron Fist #7 when Shang-Chi is mind-controlled. During the fight, Iron Fist says that Shang-Chi is probably the only person on the planet who can beat him in a martial arts fight.


True. But he also suggested he was better \:\) ..
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          Again, T'Challa himself is one of the best fighters in the Marvel universe, is one of the smartest men in the world, and is noted for being noble and honest. Who better could assess the relative skills of Danny and Shang-Chi? Again, T'Challa could be wrong, but there's no indication that's the case.
        I think Danny would say he’s better.
      Well, the two actually fought recently in Iron Fist #7 when Shang-Chi is mind-controlled. During the fight, Iron Fist says that Shang-Chi is probably the only person on the planet who can beat him in a martial arts fight.
    True. But he also suggested he was better \:\) .


Not exactly, but in any case, what Iron Fist thinks to himself, that Shang-Chi is the only person on the planet who can, not equal Danny in a martial arts fight, but probably win is a more honest assessment than friendly banter between the two.





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          I think Danny would say he’s better.
        Well, the two actually fought recently in Iron Fist #7 when Shang-Chi is mind-controlled. During the fight, Iron Fist says that Shang-Chi is probably the only person on the planet who can beat him in a martial arts fight.
      True. But he also suggested he was better \:\) .



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    Not exactly, but in any case, what Iron Fist thinks to himself, that Shang-Chi is the only person on the planet who can, not equal Danny in a martial arts fight, but probably win is a more honest assessment than friendly banter between the two.


Both can be true. Danny can think he’s superior as well as acknowledging that Shang has a chance in defeating him too. Just means Danny needs to be on his A game if he’s going up against Shang-Chi. And as for the “one person in the world”.. did Danny forget about Shen Kuei or Master Izo? I could also see Gorgon, Fat Corbra, and Prince of Orphans defeating Danny but I can understand not taking them into account given their enhanced abilities.

Haven’t been reading Iron Fist in awhile but I’ve always liked the character. Given his upgrade from reading the IF Book, I’d write him as a type of Taskmaster character able to potentially mimic things Taskmaster couldn’t via his chi. Things like a chi radar sense, Mr X‘s precog sense, Foreigner’s hypnotism, Bulleye’s aim, Daken’s pheromone control, healing factor etc... if the Book is any good that is.






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      Not exactly, but in any case, what Iron Fist thinks to himself, that Shang-Chi is the only person on the planet who can, not equal Danny in a martial arts fight, but probably win is a more honest assessment than friendly banter between the two.
    Both can be true. Danny can think he’s superior as well as acknowledging that Shang has a chance in defeating him too.


That's not what Danny thinks though. The word "probably" means more likely than not, as in Shang-Chi would probably win against Danny according to Danny's own thoughts on the matter.


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    And as for the “one person in the world”.. did Danny forget about Shen Kuei or Master Izo? I could also see Gorgon, Fat Corbra, and Prince of Orphans defeating Danny but I can understand not taking them into account given their enhanced abilities.


Shen Kuei cannot "probably" beat Danny. I think he'd be seen as the underdog. How much does Danny even know of Izo to consider him? Fat Cobra isn't normally on Earth, so he wouldn't count. I don't know the status of the Prince of Orphans, but he may not be on Earth either.






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        Not exactly, but in any case, what Iron Fist thinks to himself, that Shang-Chi is the only person on the planet who can, not equal Danny in a martial arts fight, but probably win is a more honest assessment than friendly banter between the two.
      Both can be true. Danny can think he’s superior as well as acknowledging that Shang has a chance in defeating him too.



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    That's not what Danny thinks though. The word "probably" means more likely than not, as in Shang-Chi would probably win against Danny according to Danny's own thoughts on the matter.


Yes. Like I said, I agree Danny feels Shang-Chi probably has a shot against him “in a Kung Fu battle”. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t see himself as the better overall fighter given his abilities. I favor Danny over Shang-Chi due to his chi powers and I’m sure many would as well. Danny fought Shang-Chi AND a cult of crazed lunatics each possessing, while not the experience, a copy of Shang-Chi’s martial arts expertise, then survived a truck thrown at him.. and still came out on top overall. So when Danny suggested he had the upperhand after they fought, he was being modest imo. So yea, a grand says he meant it.


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      And as for the “one person in the world”.. did Danny forget about Shen Kuei or Master Izo? I could also see Gorgon, Fat Corbra, and Prince of Orphans defeating Danny but I can understand not taking them into account given their enhanced abilities.



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    Shen Kuei cannot "probably" beat Danny. I think he'd be seen as the underdog. How much does Danny even know of Izo to consider him? Fat Cobra isn't normally on Earth, so he wouldn't count. I don't know the status of the Prince of Orphans, but he may not be on Earth either.


Well the score between Shen Kuei and Danny is 1 to 1. Danny failed to keep his guard up in the first match and was defeated. Something you don’t do when facing the “Rock God among mercs” as Deadpool would say after he was defeated by Shen. Shen Kuei’s martial arts skills rival Shang-Chi’s. Shen and Shang fought to a draw in the past so if Shang-Chi has a shot, I figured why not Shen?
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Izo is mentioned in the Book of the Iron Fist. Danny also fought alongside him during the Shadowland Daredevil arc.
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Fat Cobra actually has an extensive colorful history on Earth. Last I heard he assumed the title of Black Dragon, the head of the San Francisco Chinatown Underground. And the Prince of Orphans is actually from Earth. Then there’s guys like Cap, T’Challa, Mandarin and Temugin. But I’m assuming Danny wasn’t considering enhanced opponents but strictly martial artists. Could be wrong.





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