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Sasquatch


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X-Men (Magneto, Rogue (classic), Phoenix (pre-Dark), Iceman, Polaris, Colossus and Magik

VS

1. Avengers (Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Vision, Hercules, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver)
2. Squadron Supreme (Hyperion, Dr. Spectrum, Power Princess, Nighthawk, Whizzer, Nuke and Thundra)

Who wins?




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Marvelfan


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the two opponent teams against each other


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zvelf


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Phoenix beats Thor but she's hurting, Magneto keeps Hulk busy, Iron Man beats Rogue, Vision beats Iceman, Polaris and Scarlet Witch double ko, Hercules beats Colossus, Quicksilver beats Magik.

Hercules, Iron Man, Quicksilver edge Phoenix. Hulk and Vision beat Magneto

Phoenix beats Hyperion, Magneto beats Dr. Spectrum, Rogue beats Power Princess, Polaris beats Thundra, Iceman beats Whizzer, Nuke beats Colossus, Magik beats Nighthawk. All the X-Men gang up on and crush Nuke.



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Bk Ray

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Phoenix beats Thor in a tough fight. They were originally supposed to be peers, but Phoenix got a teeny bit more love.

Magneto rips apart Vision and Iron Man.

Iceman is supposed to be uber, Scarlet Witch is all over the place and Magik seems like she might be able to net against that. Stuff it, three way ko.

Polaris beats Quicksilver.

Rogue vs Hercules is a good one, but Herc's near naked body gives Rogue carte blanche to ko him.

Hulk turns Colossus into a tin can and quite easily.

Phoenix, Magneto, Polaris and Rogue dominate Hulk.

Phoenix likely beats Hyperion and Spectrum at the same time. Eventually X-Men dominate.





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Braugi


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How is Scarlet Witch portrayed? At classic levels its one thing, or she could be one of the top dogs....

How about Magik...is this when she started being a pretty respectable magic user in the 616 universe (after training with Strange), then she's a lot more impressive.

Ice Man had a stint where he was being portrayed as a true top tier as well....if its at that level, he might be really scary....

As matchups go, its more dangerous for Avengers and SS than some seem to think...

Rogue can absorb Thor or Hercules (or most of the others, but we've seen Thor absorbed before). Magneto may lose head to head against Thor, but should be the favorite against most members of either team. Phoenix is at least an even match for anyone on either of the other teams as well.

So...

Avengers:
Magneto loses to Thor in a close one

Hercules gets absorbed by Rogue

Hulk owns Colossus, then fights Rogue with Hercules' strength and durability

Polaris loses to Iron Man

SW, Quicksilver, and Vision engage Magik, Phoenix, and Iceman, and Phoenix ends it quickly

Round 2

Rogue goes down as her absorption wears off

Thor fights Phoenix

Iron Man engages Magik and Iceman

Once Hulk is free Avengers win, but I could see this going the other way depending on matchups


Squadron Supreme
Magneto beats Spectrum based on skill
Thundra loses to Colossus
Magik vs. Whizzer could go either way
Rogue absorbs Power Princess
Phoenix beats Hyperion
Iceman beats Nighthawk
Polaris vs. Nuke (I don't remember how impressive Nuke was, so I'll say this goes on a little)

Sorry, but this one is an Xmen win handily IMO. I'm assuming Rogue will use absorption, and I may honestly be underrating Zarda (I'm probably a bit biased based on her showings prior to the early 2000's not being as impressive as her showings in Exiles and more recently), but Magneto and Phoenix are top dogs here IMO, and that matters.



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Sasquatch


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Thanks for the reply.


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    How is Scarlet Witch portrayed? At classic levels its one thing, or she could be one of the top dogs....

    How about Magik...is this when she started being a pretty respectable magic user in the 616 universe (after training with Strange), then she's a lot more impressive.

    Ice Man had a stint where he was being portrayed as a true top tier as well....if its at that level, he might be really scary....


    I was thinking all of them at current levels (Wanda isn't a reality warper). Current Iceman can create armies of himself and giants but isn't at the freezing water in the body stage. Magik is arguably herald level IMO.



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If the Avengers know Rogue, which they do, then Thor, Vision or Ironman zaps her as soon as the fight begins - she's useless against any long range attacker that knows her.

Also, how does Magneto rip an intangible Vision apart, who phases through everything Magneto throws at him and KOs him quickly? Vision is one of the rare bad matchups for Magneto.

Why would you assume Iceman to be uber and not normal like everyone else?

Here's my take on this match.
Ironman, being a genius, immediately takes out Rogue in 2 seconds - who is absolutely useless against any long range attack.

Vision is a bad matchup for Magneto, who has no way of effecting Vision.

Thor & Ironman hold off the Phoenix.

Scarlet Witch beats Magik, or even a double KO - it doesn't matter.

That leaves: Hulk, Hercules & Quicksilver vs Iceman, Polaris & Colossus - not even a close fight.

Also, Vision is soon free to help either Avenger group.


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Bk Ray

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It's difficult, because there are so many variables. Iceman has had an established top tier moments.

An android made of metal should be easily disrupted by Magneto.

Rogue is tough enough to take damage, has her seventh sense and flight to close any distance.

It depends on match ups.





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    Quote:
    If the Avengers know Rogue, which they do, then Thor, Vision or Ironman zaps her as soon as the fight begins - she's useless against any long range attacker that knows her.


I don't understand why she's useless against long range attacks? She permanently possesses the strength, speed, and durability of the original Ms.Marvel and now Wonderman if I remember correctly?




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