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Olorin


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Thor, Hercules, Wonder Woman all are renowned for their fighting skills. Thor is probably the least skilled in hand-to-hand combat among that bunch. Per his own admission, he said of Hercules "in the art of hand-to-hand combat...he is slightly my better. He is Hercules, after all."

But can they compare to the best mortal hand-to-hand fighters? They have thousands of years experience, which should count for a lot. But maybe they haven't studied the various martial arts...

Without powers, how would you rank the following in hand-to-hand combat?

Wonder Woman
Hercules
Thor
Captain America
Black Panther
Shang Chi
Wolverine
Stick
Batman
Katana
Deathstroke
Lady Shiva
Black Canary


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bd2999

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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


I mean it is sometimes hard to say for me. Partly because when they are depowered, or have been, their skills have been a bit more random than they should be. And when they are full powered it is hard to tell the difference with all of their power.

Many times skill and prowess are sort of mixed as well or how good they are in a fight in the first place.

IMO, they should be as good or better than mortal guys, but in reality it is rarely shown that way. Maybe because those characters have to rely on it to live and the godly characters usually do not need to hone it quite as much with their other gifts?

But Marvel in particular loves to exalt its lower tier guys. Often at the detriment of more powerful ones.




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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Think very best normals superior, due to them needing to be such to even survive!


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JesusFan


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Think that the normal persons would have superior skills, as need to be that to survive, except Wolverine the weird exception, as he is very skilled but also extremely hard to kill!


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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


1. Shang Chi, Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain (tie)
2. Stick
3. Black Canary (Gail Simone version was said to be a better fight than Batman; not sure about current version of Canary)
4. Batman, Black Panther, Captain America, Daredevil (roughly tied)
5. Deathstroke
6. Wolverine
7. Wonder Woman
8. Hercules
9. Thor

I'd say the reason for this ranking is that the class 100 brick types don't need to resort to their fighting skill on a martial level nearly as much as the street types and so they don't constantly train as hard even though they have hundreds of years of more experience in combat. Wonder Woman trains more than Herc and Thor though as they spend more leisure time on sex and alcohol. But as we've seen, when Herc and Thor have become mortal, they can fight nearly as well as many of the people on the list.

While I rank Batman, Black Panther, Captain America, and Daredevil about equal in skill and Deathstroke very slightly below, I think the outcome in fights among them would be:

1. Black Panther (trumps with vibranium suit and gadgets)
2. Captain America (trumps others with the strongest will and the shield)
3. Deathstroke (trumps Batman and Daredevil with slightly superhuman physical stats and healing)
4. Batman (trumps Daredevil with gadgets)
5. Daredevil





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JesusFan


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Where is Karate Kid?


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zvelf


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    Quote:
    Where is Karate Kid?


Ralph Macchio is way, way down the list.




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