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I truly understand that different experiences can color our perceptions but im amazed at how different we can look at things, here's what I mean...

I noticed that most of the people that saw Rush Limbaughs comment about the NFL is like watching the bloods and the crips without weapons and his reasoning behind making that statement as not being racist or bigoted have been white while most of the people that saw this as a racist statement have been black. Now im getting my stats from not only this board, but people I have spoken with, and interviews that I have seen. So who's right and who's wrong? Are black people's racial antennae too fine tuned or does most of America see anything less than n bombs being dropped as simply protected speech?

For instance Bill O'reilly went after the rapper ludacris with what seemed to be a personal vendetta against the man. Believe it or not I didnt really have a problem with that, what i didn't like was him going after his contract with Pepsi(i think it was pepsi) while justifying his NOT going after Ozzi Osbourne's contract with the same company, was not Osbourne on TV, him and his underage kids dropping f-bombs and crap but he simply said "well everyone knows about osbourne" so no reason to cost him money. Now to me that SEEMS to be motivated by race, tell me why im wrong about that.

Sean Hannity during the Justin Volpe's abuse of Abner Louima case he kept refering to Louima as "lying louima" up until the time when Volpe confessed to sticking the plunger up Louima's rectum when he had him in police custody, now I feel that his automatic defense of Volpe and his attacking of the alleged victim was racially motivated again tell me why im wrong or why rather you ercieve these so different from me


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Deborah 

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    Are black people's racial antennae too fine tuned or does most of America see anything less than n bombs being dropped as simply protected speech?


Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lots of times I think it's a bit of both.

No doubt there are some blacks who "play the race card" and couldn't care less if it's true or not. I believe it's a small minority, but there are some.

And also no doubt there are some whites who just don't get it and have no clue how subtle racism can be. Probably also a minority, but (JMNSHO) not quite as small.

Every person is indeed entitled to her/his opinion, but I do think people in the advantaged group need to be especially careful in claiming that the other group is not experiencing prejudice. And that doesn't just apply to whites/blacks and racism. The same goes for any nationalities/ethnicities and racism. It also applies to men/women and sexism, to straight people denying homophobia exists, and to religious persecution as well.





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    I truly understand that different experiences can color our perceptions but im amazed at how different we can look at things, here's what I mean...



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    I noticed that most of the people that saw Rush Limbaughs comment about the NFL is like watching the bloods and the crips without weapons and his reasoning behind making that statement as not being racist or bigoted have been white while most of the people that saw this as a racist statement have been black. Now im getting my stats from not only this board, but people I have spoken with, and interviews that I have seen. So who's right and who's wrong? Are black people's racial antennae too fine tuned or does most of America see anything less than n bombs being dropped as simply protected speech?



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    For instance Bill O'reilly went after the rapper ludacris with what seemed to be a personal vendetta against the man. Believe it or not I didnt really have a problem with that, what i didn't like was him going after his contract with Pepsi(i think it was pepsi) while justifying his NOT going after Ozzi Osbourne's contract with the same company, was not Osbourne on TV, him and his underage kids dropping f-bombs and crap but he simply said "well everyone knows about osbourne" so no reason to cost him money. Now to me that SEEMS to be motivated by race, tell me why im wrong about that.



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    Sean Hannity during the Justin Volpe's abuse of Abner Louima case he kept refering to Louima as "lying louima" up until the time when Volpe confessed to sticking the plunger up Louima's rectum when he had him in police custody, now I feel that his automatic defense of Volpe and his attacking of the alleged victim was racially motivated again tell me why im wrong or why rather you ercieve these so different from me


On behalf of white people everywhere I ask you not to judge as all by Sean Hannity. He's one of our worst \:\)


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thorfan




Deborah, you are so right. One of the things that gets me is the phrase "white guilt". I guess using that logic if I stand up for a woman whos rights have been violated then I suffer from man guilt?????!!!!! That is how amazing that is to me. I give credit where credit is due and if it were not for some very brave white people willing to march shoulder to shoulder with blacks for whats right then the civil rights movement would not have had the success that it did.


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Incriptus


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as a non-whites perception of discrimination is for a white person to grasp.


Anyways white guilt is an unintentional discrimination against white people. In order to promote diversity education wants to emphisize everything good about other cultures/races/religons groups. In order to appear objective they want to give a balance of the good and bad of american/white/christian groups. Add to that the fact that American/White/Christans aren't going to hear about the bad side of thier culture at home, education slants towards the negative to continue balancing things out.

You end up with a system where you are taught bad things about 'your kind' and good things about other people. The down side of this is that a plurality of people end up with white guilt, and you end up with a plurality of people who turn racist as a backlash.





Oh and man guilt is coming. . . it's might actually be here. When you look at the media everyone is afraid of casting anyone other than a white man as the incompitent character.




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The Black Guardian

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    Quote:
    I truly understand that different experiences can color our perceptions but im amazed at how different we can look at things, here's what I mean...

    I noticed that most of the people that saw Rush Limbaughs comment about the NFL is like watching the bloods and the crips without weapons and his reasoning behind making that statement as not being racist or bigoted have been white while most of the people that saw this as a racist statement have been black. Now im getting my stats from not only this board, but people I have spoken with, and interviews that I have seen. So who's right and who's wrong? Are black people's racial antennae too fine tuned or does most of America see anything less than n bombs being dropped as simply protected speech?

Hey, I don't have a drop of African blood in me, but anyone who says that what Limbaugh was saying wasn't racist is either ignorant or a liar.

But yes, I think every group that has a long history of being the target of prejudice has their antennae too finely tuned. It's not just black people. It's a lot like a battered wife or abused child flinches when someone just moves their hands the wrong way. We, as humans, are naturally built this way. The reaction is a survival instinct.

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    For instance Bill O'reilly went after the rapper ludacris with what seemed to be a personal vendetta against the man. Believe it or not I didnt really have a problem with that, what i didn't like was him going after his contract with Pepsi(i think it was pepsi) while justifying his NOT going after Ozzi Osbourne's contract with the same company, was not Osbourne on TV, him and his underage kids dropping f-bombs and crap but he simply said "well everyone knows about osbourne" so no reason to cost him money. Now to me that SEEMS to be motivated by race, tell me why im wrong about that.

You're not. Everybody knows about Ludacris too.

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    Sean Hannity during the Justin Volpe's abuse of Abner Louima case he kept refering to Louima as "lying louima" up until the time when Volpe confessed to sticking the plunger up Louima's rectum when he had him in police custody, now I feel that his automatic defense of Volpe and his attacking of the alleged victim was racially motivated again tell me why im wrong or why rather you ercieve these so different from me

Hannity is about as evil as it comes while still being legal.




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    Deborah, you are so right. One of the things that gets me is the phrase "white guilt". I guess using that logic if I stand up for a woman whos rights have been violated then I suffer from man guilt?????!!!!!


No if you stick up for a woman's rights that have not been violated and have stuck up for her simply because she's a woman...then that's sort of the same thing. But that's oversimplifying since we all bring our own prejudices and misconceptions into every action we do whether we intend or not.

Or put a different way. You clearly shouldn't have to apologize to white people for any deeds committed by another black person. White people seem to have the expectation that we must apologize to black people. If we don't we're not being sensitive to racial issues or some such.


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    That is how amazing that is to me. I give credit where credit is due and if it were not for some very brave white people willing to march shoulder to shoulder with blacks for whats right then the civil rights movement would not have had the success that it did.





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.....then life would be without its little arguments.





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At least, not compared to the dog poop I stepped in 40 years ago. ;\)



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