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Butthead1


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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,903



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    I am very glad Trump pardoned him.



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    I have respect for this reporter.



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    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/26/trumps-pardon-ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-was-right-and-courageous-thing-to-do.html


That's some Fox News nonsense for you. By that reporter's logic, Thomas Jefferson couldn't possibly own slaves because of his relationship with Sally Hemmings. Human compartmentalization and racism can do wonders together. More to the point though, the reporter completely ignores the actual and extensive evidence collected by the Justice Department:

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/12/15/mcso_findletter_12-15-11.pdf

Also Trump completely acted out of ordinary protocol by not wanting for the sentencing and not letting this go through the normal Justice Department process.



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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 14,091



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    I am very glad Trump pardoned him.



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    I have respect for this reporter.



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    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/26/trumps-pardon-ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-was-right-and-courageous-thing-to-do.html


Why? The guy had a fairly long list of things like basically making his own concentration camp, ignoring sex crimes and making statements having nothing to do with his role. And in fact saying he would ignore orders.

He was held in contempt of court and found guilty. The so-called law and order candidate is acting pretty lawless here for a guy who did nothing more than be nice to Trump.

The guy was never going to serve much time as an 85 year old man anyway but not sure how this could be spun to be a positive thing. As this guy is only really a hero to Trump's hard base.

He is not really popular outside of that. The writer is not an unbiased souce either

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/08/28/fox-news-initially-failed-to-disclose-full-involvement-of-pro-arpaio-op-ed-writer/?utm_term=.4963a9b53e05




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MysteryMan


Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
Posts: 634



    Quote:
    I am very glad Trump pardoned him.



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    I have respect for this reporter.



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    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/26/trumps-pardon-ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-was-right-and-courageous-thing-to-do.html


He's getting away without being punished.
He likely has done both good and bad.
He's old enough there is no point in wasting money on the trial.

Essentially the pardon just saves taxpayers some money imo. For all intents and purposes it acknowledges he made mistakes (hence pardon) and saves us tax payers time and money.


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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 14,091



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      I am very glad Trump pardoned him.

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        I have respect for this reporter.

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          http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/26/trumps-pardon-ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-was-right-and-courageous-thing-to-do.html



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    He's getting away without being punished.
    He likely has done both good and bad.
    He's old enough there is no point in wasting money on the trial.



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    Essentially the pardon just saves taxpayers some money imo. For all intents and purposes it acknowledges he made mistakes (hence pardon) and saves us tax payers time and money.


All while undermining the judicial branch. His conviction was on contempt of court. Meaning it is a bit of a different legal thing than the crime itself. He was also not sentenced yet.

All this sends is that if you are a friend of Trump than you will get out of jail free for whatever you do.

It is also good to know that so long as you do good and bad things the law should not really apply to you. I mean the guy bragged about his tent cities being like concentration camps. Seems like an upstanding guy.




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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,903



    Quote:
    He's getting away without being punished.
    He likely has done both good and bad.
    He's old enough there is no point in wasting money on the trial.



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    Essentially the pardon just saves taxpayers some money imo. For all intents and purposes it acknowledges he made mistakes (hence pardon) and saves us tax payers time and money.


The pardon does not in any way acknowledge that Arpaio made mistakes. In fact, Trump has flat out stated that Arpaio made no mistakes and the pardon is to indicate exactly that.

You sound like you are engaging in some major rationalizing. Everybody has done both good and bad. That has nothing to do with the law and justice. Arpaio broke the law and therefore should be punished as justice is met out. Presidents typically issue pardons 5 years or more after the sentencing and only after remorse is shown. Neither of which occurred in this instance. It's actually the opposite, Arpaio brags about his misdeeds.

Second, are you seriously saying if someone is old enough, then prosecuting them is a waste of time and so we shouldn't in order to save tax payers money? I guess really old people should feel free to go on crime sprees then. Third, there is no trial here. A judge already found Arpaio guilty of contempt. All that's left is the sentencing phase.

Finally, Trump's abnormal-use-of-protocol pardon is a clear signal to his friends not to cooperate in the Russia investigation. If they get into legal trouble doing so, Trump will just pardon them. That has some real effect.




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MysteryMan


Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
Posts: 634



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        I am very glad Trump pardoned him.

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          I have respect for this reporter.

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            http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/26/trumps-pardon-ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-was-right-and-courageous-thing-to-do.html

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        He's getting away without being punished.
        He likely has done both good and bad.
        He's old enough there is no point in wasting money on the trial.

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          Essentially the pardon just saves taxpayers some money imo. For all intents and purposes it acknowledges he made mistakes (hence pardon) and saves us tax payers time and money.



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    All while undermining the judicial branch. His conviction was on contempt of court. Meaning it is a bit of a different legal thing than the crime itself. He was also not sentenced yet.


The branches are always undermining each other. But honestly what real effect is there if he waits until after to do the same thing. The result is the same...less money is wasted.

The problem is likely in allowing the President this power in the first place. Trump cant wield it right and we had Obama letting traitor's go who got their fellow soldiers killed.


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    All this sends is that if you are a friend of Trump than you will get out of jail free for whatever you do.


If he does this again and again sure. This is one time so far though. Personally as I said above...this has always been a possibility. Be a friend of the president...have something incriminating on him...be a political tool that he can use to say hey look I like transgendered people and so on and so on. I don't thin a President should have this power without some mitigating check like 51% of the House agrees or something.


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    It is also good to know that so long as you do good and bad things the law should not really apply to you. I mean the guy bragged about his tent cities being like concentration camps. Seems like an upstanding guy.


He didn't brag about them...he was clearly commenting on what others accused him of. It's called sarcasm. If he abused his power he should be brought to task. If he was following the law and the tent camps were all he had funds for...well the issue of blame is actually above his head. It's not 100% clear he is this racist that many paint him to be. Most minority percentage of police force and so on...if the reports I heard were true.


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