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JesusFan


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May the Lord jesus bless them and grace them during this really hard time, and thank God for all of those who helped out right when it happened, and are still helping out with giving blood, donations, support etc!


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atrimus


Location: Saint Louis, MO
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    May the Lord jesus bless them and grace them during this really hard time, and thank God for all of those who helped out right when it happened, and are still helping out with giving blood, donations, support etc!


That's all well and good ... I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone here hearts' are full of sympathy, condolences and well wishes for the victims of this carnage.

But really, this is becoming routine to the point where you're almost numbed to it. We've long since passed the time of doing something about it. If we're genuinely sympathetic to the victims, we'd be doing everything in our power to prevent this from happening again.




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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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I think that everybody is, but to most people this is becoming old had. And that should scary everybody. Seems like this sort of thing is happening over and over again.

Just not right. Some effort should be made to help avoid these things. Be in gun control, increased access to mental health or whatever. What we are doing is not really working out too well. As mass shootings are far too common in the US.

Most of us can do little but do small things like donate etc., and those are great things for the average person to do, but there has to be something elected leaders can do other than say they feel bad. Seems that we are well beyond that point.

At the very least there should be better research into methods and what looks like it may improve the situation. All we have are political sound bites and anger. Which does not help the cause.




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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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One thing that MUST be done is to stop demonoze us Trump supporters, as in both the Hurricanes and now this, some have stated that they deserved to die!


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Unable to do that though, as we are deep down inside all sin natures people, who want to have our own things done, its just that madmen like the shooter have gotten to the point where they have no remorse or desire to not commit the evil deeds.

Like the Jack the Ripper types, or feel and have no remorse or guilt for their crimes!


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bd2999


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    One thing that MUST be done is to stop demonoze us Trump supporters, as in both the Hurricanes and now this, some have stated that they deserved to die!



I have no idea what this has to do with the question at hand?


Nor have I heard anybody saying that Trump supporters deserve to die. Nor do I have issue with individuals being critical of Trump or those that have blind faith in him. For some reason. Nor do I have an issue with people critical of whatever position.

I think one has to be cautious with the demonizing accusation. As Obama supporters had the same issues, but from those crying fowl now. I would say I have seen more examples of hostility going from both ways but have not seen a death threat towards Trump supporters. And to be fair it is not like Trump and his administration do not deserve basically all of what they get.

I have seen a few towards liberal friends on facebook, but it probably depends on what neck of the woods one is in. As I would be more surprised if it did not happen than if it did not. But personally I have not heard or read anything like that.




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bd2999


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Unable to do that though, as we are deep down inside all sin natures people, who want to have our own things done, its just that madmen like the shooter have gotten to the point where they have no remorse or desire to not commit the evil deeds.



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    Like the Jack the Ripper types, or feel and have no remorse or guilt for their crimes!


I am not sure that is true or not. It at least comes off as a little simplistic in my mind. It is true that there are and will always be criminals or those with poor intention that will find ways to hurt other people.

However, throwing up ones hands and saying there will always be evil seems an easy out. It is true that we will never be rid of it, but there are likely ways to address shifting the probabilities as much as possible.

It is difficult to own fully automatic weapons in the US for instance. The most recent example was made possible (from my understand) in part because of the semi-automatics were converted to full automatics. One could argue that such kits could be restricted.

I do not know that such a thing would work or not, but it is at least a point of something to do to make things more unlikely to happen again. No solution is 100% but one could argue why should anybody do anything based on some of the logic I have heard thrown out.

Seems like we are way past time to do something.






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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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There were those who stated that since Florida and texas voted for Trumo, they deserved storms, and since most people attending country music shows are republican, do not shed any tears!


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bd2999


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    There were those who stated that since Florida and texas voted for Trumo, they deserved storms, and since most people attending country music shows are republican, do not shed any tears!



I found the one CBS lawyer commenting about the country music. She was fired and rightly so.

Whomever said the other stuff is a moron too. I would just add that this is not unique. Various ministers, pasteurs and the like have said storms hit various countries or region's to punish whatever godlessness a region has.

I am not sure I would take what a few say as representative of everything or as the only part of the problem here. I am not even sure this is related.

Trump has done things worthy of criticism in all of the events happening recently. Much of it has to do with his statements and handling of the situation. I blame his followers for normalizing it and acting to further tare things apart.

That said, nobody deserves to be shot and killed or die in a storm. That also does not mean there are not things worthy of criticism or actions that cannot be taken.




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MysteryMan


Member Since: Fri Apr 28, 2017
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    May the Lord jesus bless them and grace them during this really hard time, and thank God for all of those who helped out right when it happened, and are still helping out with giving blood, donations, support etc!


He seems to be a crazy loon? Did he owe money to the wrong criminal element? Did he have a brain tumor? Was he secretly part of some hate group?

I am sure there will quite sadly be groups pushing their agendas using this tragedy as well.


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Trent Trueheart


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 544



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      May the Lord jesus bless them and grace them during this really hard time, and thank God for all of those who helped out right when it happened, and are still helping out with giving blood, donations, support etc!



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    That's all well and good ... I mean, I'm pretty sure everyone here hearts' are full of sympathy, condolences and well wishes for the victims of this carnage.



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    But really, this is becoming routine to the point where you're almost numbed to it. We've long since passed the time of doing something about it. If we're genuinely sympathetic to the victims, we'd be doing everything in our power to prevent this from happening again.


At this point, I'm surprised if anyone 35-40 or younger isn't numb to it. It seems like mass shootings have become a normal part of life since Columbine.


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atrimus


Location: Saint Louis, MO
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    Unable to do that though, as we are deep down inside all sin natures people, who want to have our own things done, its just that madmen like the shooter have gotten to the point where they have no remorse or desire to not commit the evil deeds.


Not really sure what sin has to do with anything. Everyone's screwed-up on some level, which is part of the reason we have laws and regulations in place. And madmen have never had remorse or a desire to refrain from crime; that's what makes them mad.


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    Like the Jack the Ripper types, or feel and have no remorse or guilt for their crimes!






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Dragon Red


Member Since: Fri Jul 05, 2013
Posts: 797


There really is only one solution to the problem at hand.

Get rid of the guns. Get rid of the right to bear arms, get rid of sale of military grade weaponry to civilians. Just start getting rid of it all. Round up people who have these ridiculous weapons and turn them over.

In my opinion, there should not, nor should there ever be, a legal right to access something that can end the life of another human.

I read recently that to get a gun in Japan, you have to attend a class held monthly subject to availability and then pass a written test. You have to take and pass a shooting range test. Then you have to have a drug test, and a mental test which get filed with the police. Then finally you have your background thoroughly checked and if there is the merest sniff of criminal activity or being part of a group that is injurious or harmful to others you are denied. Then if you pass all that, you have to keep your weapon and ammo locked away in separate units. The police have to inspect your setup once a year, and you retake the gun class and the exam every three years. Japan has virtually eliminated gun death.

Sorting out guns in the USA I imagine will be akin to straightening teeth, its going to be painful, and take time. But that saying of omelettes and eggs is so true, it really does need drastic action or else shootings like this, as BD says, eventually just aren't going to matter anymore.


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Rehzon


Location: Red Forest, Chernobyl
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