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The Avenger


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Here's the article:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-tells-employees-to-return-to-office-or-pretend-to-work-elsewhere/ar-AAXYce9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=ba36328b61d047f6b29e8dd46275183e

Thoughts?

I heavily support telework for anyone who doesn't see customers face to face or perform manual labor that's tied to a location. I was one such person and I teleworked with great success for over a decade. I think managers who fear telework are irrational control freaks.





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Would be Watcher


Location: Canada
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



For some reason he seems to imply people doing telework are not truly working. Which is strange since the general concensus was telework actually increased productivity.

Telework cost nothing to employers (can easily argue it has potential to save money), while often increasing happiness and productivity. Not taking full advantage of it whenever possible is stupid.

I kinda get the jealousy argument some try to spin (some workers can do telework while others can't), but it quickly fall apparts when they try to compare drastically different type of work to make their point. Of course the person that clean the office can't telework the vaccuum cleaning part. But if you envy other type of tasks and the perks that comes with it you should work toward changing your job instead of making everybody miserable because you resent them having priviledge you can't have. I mean, I can envy teachers' summer vacations, but if I'm not willing to become a teacher I have no business expecting the perks they have (along with the bads).

I can totally understand people who had to do 2 hours commutes everyday no wanting to get back to it for no other reasons than the boss being a control freak or other being jealous. I have an hybrid schedule now I and won't go back to a full schedule at the office period. I'm happier, more available and productive than ever and it cost my employer less than before because I do more from a distance rather than move in person everywhere. We operated perfectly well like that for 2 years so it's not like we are in unknown territory.

To me, telework is a gift to employees who like it and employers too.




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The Avenger


Location: New Jersey
Member Since: Thu Dec 02, 2021



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    For some reason he seems to imply people doing telework are not truly working. Which is strange since the general concensus was telework actually increased productivity.



Yup. Musk is old-fashioned and just plain wrong on this question.



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    Telework cost nothing to employers (can easily argue it has potential to save money), while often increasing happiness and productivity. Not taking full advantage of it whenever possible is stupid.



Yup. I look forward to the day when major companies start shutting down office buildings because they don't need them any more. What we're already seeing is start-ups going fully remote from day one. They ask themselves the obvious question: "Why should I pay for office space in a 21st century world?"



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    I kinda get the jealousy argument some try to spin (some workers can do telework while others can't), but it quickly fall apparts when they try to compare drastically different type of work to make their point. Of course the person that clean the office can't telework the vaccuum cleaning part. But if you envy other type of tasks and the perks that comes with it you should work toward changing your job instead of making everybody miserable because you resent them having priviledge you can't have. I mean, I can envy teachers' summer vacations, but if I'm not willing to become a teacher I have no business expecting the perks they have (along with the bads).



Yup. Some professions will have to show up in person for a long time to come; e.g., surgeons, airline pilots, and chefs. But who knows? A hundred years from now, maybe even these professions will be pursued remotely. Surgery is already moving in this direction for special circumstances. The principle should be, "If you can work remotely, do it."



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    I can totally understand people who had to do 2 hours commutes everyday not wanting to get back to it for no other reasons than the boss being a control freak or others being jealous. I have an hybrid schedule now I and won't go back to a full schedule at the office period. I'm happier, more available and productive than ever and it cost my employer less than before because I do more from a distance rather than move in person everywhere.



Yup. Forward ever, backward never!



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    We operated perfectly well like that for 2 years so it's not like we are in unknown territory.



Yup. The experiment has been done. The results are in. Reams of data are now available. Old-fashioned control freaks and resentful whiners need to get with the program because they no longer have a leg to stand on.



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    To me, telework is a gift to employees who like it and employers too.



Yup. I predict the day is coming when companies will refuse to let their people not telecommute.



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The Avenger


Location: New Jersey
Member Since: Thu Dec 02, 2021



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Would be Watcher


Location: Canada
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008






This was predictable.

If I was a HR bounty hunter, I would have seen Musk's tweet as pure gold.

For a guy in the business of building the future, he looks like an pretty old-fashion person that has trouble anticipating 2 moves ahead here.



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Happy Hogan 

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Location: Northern Virginia
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 4,440







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    Thoughts?



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    I heavily support telework for anyone who doesn't see customers face to face or perform manual labor that's tied to a location. I was one such person and I teleworked with great success for over a decade. I think managers who fear telework are irrational control freaks.



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The Avenger


Location: New Jersey
Member Since: Thu Dec 02, 2021




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bd2999 

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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


in some respects he is much in the same vein as Trump. They are not totally the same and I am sure it is a trait of the very wealthy. An inflated view of self worth and that their way is the only way of doing something but hyper sensitive to criticism of any sort or type.

He has a history of being pretty crappy to his own employees anyway and I think there are a few lawsuits pending about racism and other things at the company.

I am all for telework. I think more employers should keep it as a flexibility option. It also potentially saves some money if you do not need as large of a physical presence. Some jobs you have to go in for sure, but alot of jobs could probably be done with some degree of mixing.






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bd2999 

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one of the things odd about Musk recently is his hard turn to the right politically, his positions generally have been but I bring this up for the following reason.

He has a company that builds and sells electric cars, but his comments cater to the political right who are not generally known for their caring towards the environment or electric vehicles in the first place.

To me it is an odd choice to make it siding with things. In general I do not get most companies making positions well known politically just because it alienates customers.

And now we live in a world where some governments will crack down on you for going against whatever the government policy is at that moment and stepping out of line.

Strange times.




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Happy Hogan 

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    one of the things odd about Musk recently is his hard turn to the right politically, his positions generally have been but I bring this up for the following reason.



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    He has a company that builds and sells electric cars, but his comments cater to the political right who are not generally known for their caring towards the environment or electric vehicles in the first place.


A generation ago, right-wingers usually took the idea that renewable fuels were a waste of time. I am sure that in reality, oil companies and their stockholders just didn't want dependence on oil to decrease. (Much like Musk doesn't want car use to decline). Now there are a lot of right wing doomsday preppers who like the idea of not being dependent on an electrical grid. I suspect something similar might be happening with the appeal of electric cars. I imagine the war in Europe that Russia started a few months ago has made less dependence on oil more attractive. Just saying renewable energy has some appeal to some people on the right, which I guess, might be a positive thing. \(loucheur\)

The political landscape has shifted a bit. It's probably not done shifting.


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    To me it is an odd choice to make it siding with things. In general I do not get most companies making positions well known politically just because it alienates customers.


I have an example of that happening on the left as well. Just look at all the Hollywood liberals pointing out how much "bad taste" the public has with liking comic book films; or how some of them now seem to believe that men are obligated to watch films directed by women. Rich people on both the left and right are looking down at the working class and pontificating down at us.



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    And now we live in a world where some governments will crack down on you for going against whatever the government policy is at that moment and stepping out of line.



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    Strange times.


Indeed it is.




bd2999 

Moderator

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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      one of the things odd about Musk recently is his hard turn to the right politically, his positions generally have been but I bring this up for the following reason.

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        He has a company that builds and sells electric cars, but his comments cater to the political right who are not generally known for their caring towards the environment or electric vehicles in the first place.



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    A generation ago, right-wingers usually took the idea that renewable fuels were a waste of time. I am sure that in reality, oil companies and their stockholders just didn't want dependence on oil to decrease. (Much like Musk doesn't want car use to decline). Now there are a lot of right wing doomsday preppers who like the idea of not being dependent on an electrical grid. I suspect something similar might be happening with the appeal of electric cars. I imagine the war in Europe that Russia started a few months ago has made less dependence on oil more attractive. Just saying renewable energy has some appeal to some people on the right, which I guess, might be a positive thing. \(loucheur\)



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    The political landscape has shifted a bit. It's probably not done shifting.


I would honestly be in favor of the shits. Alot of states have taken away tax credits and the like to favor renewable energy, or at least to not give them special advantage given to fossil fuels.

If there is some shift I will very much be for it. I just have not seen it become a major selling point as of yet. Right now it still seems to me that electric vehicles are not as popular on the political right but I will be happy to be wrong if that is changing.


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      Quote:
      To me it is an odd choice to make it siding with things. In general I do not get most companies making positions well known politically just because it alienates customers.



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    I have an example of that happening on the left as well. Just look at all the Hollywood liberals pointing out how much "bad taste" the public has with liking comic book films; or how some of them now seem to believe that men are obligated to watch films directed by women. Rich people on both the left and right are looking down at the working class and pontificating down at us.



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      Quote:
      And now we live in a world where some governments will crack down on you for going against whatever the government policy is at that moment and stepping out of line.

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        Strange times.



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    Indeed it is.







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