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Comicguy1


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The Surfer is one of my favorites, and I sort of grew up reading his books and his comics. I remember starting with the Steve Englehart run. But I don't really think that the Surfer has many (If at all.) standout classic stories or comics the same way that Batman, Spider-Man or The X-Men do. I really liked the Englehart run at the time that I read it (I think that I started with #15.), and I consider him and Starlin to be more or less the architects of the cosmic characters. Sadly, it doesn't seem that most of those cosmic characters are used now, it seems to mostly be about Thanos and Galactus. I also liked the Ron Marz run (I read most of it.), but again, I don't think that there are any standout issues or classics. I guess that Starlin's Thanos arc would be a classic. I also really dug the Dematties run, but it seems like not many other people did.

I read that Requiem is one of his best. It was written by JMS and it had really good art. I have read some scans of it here and there, and I quite liked it. The only real part that I read was the parts with Spider-Man and Mary Jane. Again, it was really good. I want to read it in trade, but unfortunately I can't find it anywhere. What do you guys think of it? I know that the Dan Slott run has been widely acclaimed, but it's too soon to tell if it will be classic.

Thanks.


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D. Strange


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Requiem is a really well done story. The character work is handled exceptionally well. A classic.. though I am thankful it is out of continuity.

As for classic stories...

That is sort of hard. He is more about the character than the story. I have always felt that in the 60s that series was sort of the Vertigo of its day.

I'm not sure I could rattle off stuff like say... the Phoenix Saga for X-Men or Kraven's Last Hunt for Spider-Man. You know, things that everyone will love.

I can say the stories I find very memorable:

-The first six issues of the original series may be some of the best comics of the Silver Age. My personal favorites are issues #3 and 5
- The Lee Kirby Graphic Novel.
-The Judgement Day Graphic Novel
-The story in Epic #1.
-Silver Surfer: Parable
-There was a MArvel Fanfare that had the original plans for Englehart's run
-Englehart's run is really good. It is also fairly cohesive flow, if I remember. I love them all, he really brought his A-game. His dealing with the Kree-Skrull war, is about as close as you may get to a "classic" story.
-His dealings with Thanos are probably the most well remembered. Leading into Infinity Gauntlet and all, and it is well done. Probably the most reprinted. It stresses the humanity of the Surfer in the face of nihilism
-Issues #97-100, a look at Surfer in the face of temptation. I always felt there were shades of the Phoenix tales in it, myself.
-The story in the early 100s where he faces trial for aiding Galactus, might be the kind of thing you mean
-Dematteis run is pretty goo, even if he hd to spend time cleaning up Perez weird Zenn-La retcon (which may have been kicked down from above). The idea of the idea of him being used for messianic purposes seems pretty "classic" to me.


NOT DAN SLOTT'S RUN. Maybe the worst run I have ever read.


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riprap


Member Since: Tue Nov 24, 2009
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My favorites were:
-The Englehart/Rogers Surfer run! The best!
-The Surfer in the Lee/Kirby FF's!
-FF #155-157! Doom and the Surfer! I loved this story!
-Hulk #250! Another great story!
-Englehart/Lim was also great!
-Starlin/Lim was fantastic!
-The Lee/Byrne one shot is excellent!
-The Lee/Buscema series #1-5! #4 is one of my favorite comics ever!
-Silver Surfer: Homecoming!
-The Slott/Allred run!

This is a lot of great Silver Surfer stories!





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zvelf


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Quote:
    The Surfer is one of my favorites, and I sort of grew up reading his books and his comics. I remember starting with the Steve Englehart run. But I don't really think that the Surfer has many (If at all.) standout classic stories or comics the same way that Batman, Spider-Man or The X-Men do.


Yes, he does. Maybe not quite as many, but his best stories are just as good.


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    I really liked the Englehart run at the time that I read it (I think that I started with #15.), and I consider him and Starlin to be more or less the architects of the cosmic characters. Sadly, it doesn't seem that most of those cosmic characters are used now, it seems to mostly be about Thanos and Galactus. I also liked the Ron Marz run (I read most of it.), but again, I don't think that there are any standout issues or classics. I guess that Starlin's Thanos arc would be a classic. I also really dug the Dematties run, but it seems like not many other people did.


This explains why you don't think he has as many great stories - because these, with one exception, aren't the Surfer's best stories. You came in with Englehart only after his best story arc.


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    I know that the Dan Slott run has been widely acclaimed, but it's too soon to tell if it will be classic.


Not a classic, but it did have some excellent stories. The last two issues in particular are worth catching up with.

So the best Silver Surfer stories in my opinion are:

Fantastic Four #48-50: the first appearance of Silver Surfer and Galactus

Silver Surfer #3, Vol. 1: Silver Surfer vs. Mephisto (in his first appearance)

Silver Surfer #4, Vol. 1: Silver Surfer vs. Thor

Silver Surfer #5, Vol. 1: Silver Surfer vs. the Stranger

Silver Surfer #6, Vol. 1: Silver Surfer vs. the Overlord

Silver Surfer #1, Vol. 2: Stan Lee/John Byrne one shot with Silver Surfer vs. Mephisto

Fantastic Four #259-260: Silver Surfer and Fantastic Four vs. Terrax and Dr. Doom

Silver Surfer #3-10, Vol. 3: Silver Surfer vs. the Elders of the Universe

Silver Surfer #69-75, Vol. 3: the Heralds of Galactus vs. Morg

Silver Surfer #13-14, Vol. 8: the fate of Dawn Greenwood





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D. Strange


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I agree, he has had some amazing runs, and I have a theory as to why.

Silver Surfer, back in 1968, was as close to Vertigo as you could get without being Warren. It was more thoughtful, it had lofty messages. It got philosophical.

Now by the likes of what we have seen, it wasn't much, but for teh tiome it was big.

A book like this was inevitable, Stan, Jack, and the rest had given Marvel a sizable teenage and college readership. Those of that age remembered, held it sacred.

Many of the creators of the 70s had it in their their minds, whether Len Wein and Swamp Thing, or Man-thing and Howard the Duck with Gerber, Starlin's everything in the 70s, or Englehart's D. Strange, they all drew strength from the comic that dared.

However, no one could touch it, Stan only made rare acceptations until 1987... When Englehart finally got his chance. That just built up the pressure.

Because of this, The Surfer was usually treated as something special. A place where you bring your A-game. You had to be a little smarter or at least creative.

Englehart knew it, I think Starlin got it too, Even Marz who may have been the most run of the mill had some really good works. Perez run may have even okay, but he tried something different. AS did Dematteis, digging into that potential.

Even Pak dug a little deeper when he had his mini series.

I hate Dan Slott's run (did love Allred's art). I think it is the worst run the character ever had. I found it annoying Dr. Who fan fiction, with Dawn Greenwood being boring.

HOWEVER, I do give him respect for breaking the mold. He tried something new... at least for the character. So whether I like it or not, he gets my respect for talking that chance. Also , he claimed it was personal, as the Surfer almost must be, so respect for that too.

That is why I was always more forgiving of that 14 issue series. Was it the best? No, but it was interesting and different. I think it gets a bit too much hate, but it wasn't a classic. The spirit of the Surfer lives on.

It is almost like the character taps into the GOOD part of our young selves that want to hit the road and experience, to know, and make the world better.

I make no apologies for him being one of (if not my top0 favorite characters. I have every solo comic story he was in. It was still hard to trim any fat for a "classic."

He is the only character Stan Lee has wrote every decade...except for this one.

Maybe it is hard to pick a classic because you feel and absorb the character, not the tale.





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bd2999


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I would add in Annihilation and the tie-in books for Surfer. At least for me.




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zvelf


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    I would add in Annihilation and the tie-in books for Surfer. At least for me.


I agree that Annihilation is one of Marvel's better cosmic stories, but while the Silver Surfer has a significant part in it, I don't think of the main story as a Silver Surfer story. Nova (Richard Rider) and the other United Front characters are the real leads with the Surfer in a supporting role.




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JesusFan


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Hands down best are the FF # 48-50, when Galactus and Him first show up in Marvel.

Also like the Overlord saga, and his interactions on original Defefenders team.

Also good when Loki tricked him into fighting Thor...


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bd2999


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      I would add in Annihilation and the tie-in books for Surfer. At least for me.



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    I agree that Annihilation is one of Marvel's better cosmic stories, but while the Silver Surfer has a significant part in it, I don't think of the main story as a Silver Surfer story. Nova (Richard Rider) and the other United Front characters are the real leads with the Surfer in a supporting role.


That is fair but I am talking more about the three part mini series leading in and the Herald's of Galactus one shot coming out. They just sort of work as a collective with the Annihilation story. Particularly the Herald of Galactus.




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