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Knight


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It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Daveym 

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Originally conceived as the youngest and with the most potential for greatness in the revived Justice Society Stargirl is an excellent gymnast and wears the same Cosmic Convertor belt that once belonged to deceased Star Spangled kid Sylvester Pemberton. This belt augments her strength and speed manyfold - I don't think it has been clarified if that extends to stamina and durability but it seems a strong probability it does... she can also project "shooting stars", which is a blast of star-patterned energy capable of numbing/stunning opponent and disrupting the electrical flow in items rendering them powerless for a time.


*The belt was/is originally adapted by Star Spangled Kid himself from Ted Knight's star-rod technology by the way.






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Knight


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give me an estimate on how strong the Cosmic Converter Belt makes Stargirl? If not, what seems to be her greatest strength feat? Any note worthy characters she's taken down with Super Strength?





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Daveym 

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Her strength and its limit was left completely vague, certainly she is capable of wrecking an auto as you can see above and at one point was able to fight off a rampaging Solomon Grundy to a limited extent, but she very likely isn't on the same level of Wonder Girl or Troia for example, much more in line with either Hourman perhaps or Spider-Man if she's on a good day. Once she was given Jack Knight's Star-rod she effectively never used these abilities and became Jack's successor as Starman for all intents... in hindsight giving her that Staff was a great shame I feel as she became another character in a sense. \(euh\)





Available to Read, for Free! Fantasy Express #5. Go Back to 1983 - and meet Alan Moore in full, Read all about Countdown, And then there's Johnny Future...

Olive Hawthorne - The Daemons of Devil's End.

This Weeks Arrow - 'Thanksgiving'.

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Knight


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It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Reverend Meteor


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As strong as the Star Spangled Kid's belt and tough as Starman's rod allows I guess.



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JesusFan


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So she would be seen as being an enhanced human, on likkes of say Slade or cap?


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Daveym 

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To an extent yes. She is an excellent gymnast but not on the same scale as a Dick Grayson or Tim Drake, these are people trained close to the very pinnacle of human potential. Originally she had only the Cosmic Belt and so that informed how she fought, later when Jack Knight retired she effectively became 'Starman' and the Star Rod became he chief and only weapon, even though she still wore the belt.
In hindsight as I say i think it was an error to give her the Staff, the thing is the equivalent of a nuclear bomb and solves her problems all too easily, the moment she got it she didn't need anything else to get her through whatever problems she was faced with and the character lost a good deal of her sparkle and appeal...





Available to Read, for Free! Fantasy Express #5. Go Back to 1983 - and meet Alan Moore in full, Read all about Countdown, And then there's Johnny Future...

Olive Hawthorne - The Daemons of Devil's End.

This Weeks Arrow - 'Thanksgiving'.

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JesusFan


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So the staff became her type of GL ring?


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Daveym 

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The odd thing about Jack Knight's Cosmic Rod was that, compared to his Fathers older original version, it was pretty limited. Illogically so. I may be wrong in saying this as I don't have a full knowledge of Jack Knight's series, or then again it may just be an example of subtle revisionism on James Robinson's part to make it a more manageable story device and rationalise its science into a more plausible scaled context...
Certainly though Stargirl's use for it never went beyond flight and power blasts, which are assets worth carrying it around for sure, and yet by carrying it as a constant Stargirl nullified her previous style and tactics and became reliant on the Rod for just about everything.







Available to Read, for Free! Fantasy Express #5. Go Back to 1983 - and meet Alan Moore in full, Read all about Countdown, And then there's Johnny Future...

Olive Hawthorne - The Daemons of Devil's End.

This Weeks Arrow - 'Thanksgiving'.

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