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Richard


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Just read this... I wasn't in a rush.

I actually thought it was okay, but the new style of comics has kind of left me behind somewhat. I realise that you've got the whole "Sue and Reed missing" thing, but can you imagine, back in the 70s, launching a comic where there's no real conflict, and it's just two heroes having a cry, part 1 of 10,000?

Two-In-One was never a classic comic, it was throwaway, but it had a kind of "instant gratification". This is "hey Johnny, let's get depressed at the start of this 80,000 comic adventure... join us next time, folks."



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    Just read this... I wasn't in a rush.



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    I actually thought it was okay, but the new style of comics has kind of left me behind somewhat. I realise that you've got the whole "Sue and Reed missing" thing, but can you imagine, back in the 70s, launching a comic where there's no real conflict, and it's just two heroes having a cry, part 1 of 10,000?



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    Two-In-One was never a classic comic, it was throwaway, but it had a kind of "instant gratification". This is "hey Johnny, let's get depressed at the start of this 80,000 comic adventure... join us next time, folks."


I kinda like Ben's whole setting up a wild goose chase to snap Johnny out of his funk.






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Are you just now reading issue #1? Because issue #2 came out yesterday and was a much more adventure type story. We had flashback to a previously unseen incident in college involving a trophy, and a trip to Monster Island. And not a single tear




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Richard


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It's just stories like this that make me glad they don't make the comic anymore.

The Mole Man? I've yet to read it, but we're talking about the recreation of a story from over FIFTY YEARS ago. It's a series that has longed since looking anywhere but the past.

Will we really be here in ten years time welcoming a new creative team for Galactus story 10,589?



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Yes yes we will.

The Fantastic Four recycles the same stuff over and over again.

I would say most Fantastic Four stories revolve around

1. Dr. Doom and Latveria
2. Namor and Atlantis
3. The Inhumans and Attilan
4. Black Panther and Wakanda (it's like they only travel to the same 4 places over and over again)
5. Alternate timelines
6. Franklin's powers
7. Ben's mutations
8. The Frightful Four
9. Skrulls
10. Galactus

And that's about it really. Every writer's run will hit most of these.





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Richard


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It's such a shame because the series used to be so original.



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I was just waiting for Doom to get his. And he did, the Doof.

That flashback image makes me a little confused, it shows Sue with her old Doo, Johnny with the classic lines but Ben pretty much modern. Maybe he couldn't do the lumpy Thing justice.

Either way, I thoroughly enjoyed this issue, the whole Monsters battle for rulership thing was goofy but fun, and lets face facts, Doom didn't 'defeat them', poor Johnny was already out of it from his flames going out (gotta fix that) And Ben wasn't down. But I digress.

The time with Alicia was enjoyable and the reference to Lyja, even if no name was dropped, certainly piqued my Laserfist senses. Had to love the simplicity of Reed's prank, and Doom missing the prize thanks to his complete inability to respect others.

Next issue can't come fast enough.




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    I would say most Fantastic Four stories revolve around



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    1. Dr. Doom and Latveria
    2. Namor and Atlantis
    3. The Inhumans and Attilan
    4. Black Panther and Wakanda (it's like they only travel to the same 4 places over and over again)
    5. Alternate timelines
    6. Franklin's powers
    7. Ben's mutations
    8. The Frightful Four
    9. Skrulls
    10. Galactus



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    And that's about it really. Every writer's run will hit most of these.


You forgot one more: Negative Zone stories. Although general cosmic storylines (Watchers, Overmind, Celestials, Terminus) could be another. And while the above might sound limiting, series often go off the rails when they try most to be different. Just look at all the complaints about Marvel now when they're trying to be different. How good the Fantastic Four are is about how well writers/artists tell the above stories. Stan and Jack of course paved the way here, but Byrne and Hickman hit most of the above, and they are the two best subsequent runs in my opinion.





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      I would say most Fantastic Four stories revolve around

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        1. Dr. Doom and Latveria
        2. Namor and Atlantis
        3. The Inhumans and Attilan
        4. Black Panther and Wakanda (it's like they only travel to the same 4 places over and over again)
        5. Alternate timelines
        6. Franklin's powers
        7. Ben's mutations
        8. The Frightful Four
        9. Skrulls
        10. Galactus

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          And that's about it really. Every writer's run will hit most of these.



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    You forgot one more: Negative Zone stories. Although general cosmic storylines (Watchers, Overmind, Celestials, Terminus) could be another. And while the above might sound limiting, series often go off the rails when they try most to be different. Just look at all the complaints about Marvel now when they're trying to be different. How good the Fantastic Four are is about how well writers/artists tell the above stories. Stan and Jack of course paved the way here, but Byrne and Hickman hit most of the above, and they are the two best subsequent runs in my opinion.


Yep. Can't forget the Negative Zone. 5 places. They almost never go anywhere outside of Attilan, Atlantis, Wakanda, Latveria...and the Negative Zone.







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    The Fantastic Four recycles the same stuff over and over again.


And that's partly good and partly bad.


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    I would say most Fantastic Four stories revolve around



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    1. Dr. Doom and Latveria
    2. Namor and Atlantis


Both of these are always welcome if the writer can bring something original to the table without going off the rails into WTF territory. I hate WTF. I drop comics instantly when WTF happens. But that doesn't mean I want to be bored silly with repetition. The current Marvel 2-in-1 story line has used Doctor Doom brilliantly so far. I am in awe of the excellence.


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    3. The Inhumans and Attilan
    4. Black Panther and Wakanda


Please no more of these. The novelty has worn off.


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    4.5 Negative Zone


The only difficulty here is, any Negative Zone story has to compete with what may well be the greatest cosmic story ever told: Annihilation. Go big or go home.


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    5. Alternate timelines
    6. Franklin's powers
    7. Ben's mutations
    8. The Frightful Four


Please no more of these. Especially - never mind, I can't pick one that I hate more than the others.


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    9. Skrulls


For some reason I love these guys. But I especially love Kl'rt. As depicted in that cosmic story I already mentioned. I actually am hoping Ben and Johnny run into Kl'rt somehow. I understand he's Emperor now. But I picture him as sort of a King Conan or King Kull. Not really made for pomp and circumstance. Impatient with diplomacy and protocol. Always itching for the battlefield.


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    10. Galactus


He's good now - which means if he shows up, he needs help with something very significant, probably very far away. This actually makes him way more versatile than he was before. More appearances are welcome.


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    And that's about it really. Every writer's run will hit most of these.


What I would also want is every alien race ever seen in any comic to show up in the Fantastic Four's book. The Shi'Ar. The Rigellians. The Kree. The Badoon. The Snarks. The Kymellians. The Martians - so there's one alternate time line I'd endorse: Killraven's. Every race ever seen, regardless what comic they've appeared in.

And SWORD. And Abigail Brand with her green hair.







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