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It was supposed to be a younger, fresher, re-imagined FF for today's readers. There is no Franklin or Valeria. Sue and Reed aren't even married. So what went wrong with this series?

On the surface, didn't Ultimate FF contain some things long-time FF readers wanted? So where did it fail?




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Dakota


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    It was supposed to be a younger, fresher, re-imagined FF for today's readers. There is no Franklin or Valeria. Sue and Reed aren't even married. So what went wrong with this series?



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    On the surface, didn't Ultimate FF contain some things long-time FF readers wanted? So where did it fail?


I would argue that the whole Ultimate universe failed, not just FF.
Other than Miles Morales/Ultimate Spider Man, is there anyone else from those titles remaining in the current Marvel universe?

Not having read very much of any of the ultimate titles, I can't give a specific answer, but I think there was a backlash against the fear that the original Marvel universe would go away and only the Ultimate would remain. Not sure if that was a real possibility or not... I'm pretty sure it was hinted at somewhere and got people up in arms over that possibility. I remember some threads on this board full of angst over that possibility.

Another thing was that so much of that universe was driven by Bendis and Millar, and it all seemed to die when they moved on to other titles. Again, just my "outsider" impressions since I did not read much of that. I actually got the first 25 issues of Ultimate FF at a sale at a local comic store in the past year, but haven't read them yet other than the first issue.


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Grey Gargoyle


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They were so different from their Earth-616 counterparts that Reed could be turned into a villain without anyone batting an eye ...

The whole project was to turn the FF upside down and see if it works better.

Not only did it not work but, later, when Fox decided to reboot the FF, they used the ultimate version as the new template ... and it was a box office bomb ...


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With Millar and Bendis together you got.. well, garbage. I really tried to like that series but I think the Zombie stuff was the end for me, and total inconsistencies. (Hulk is STRONGEST! Wait, Zombies are stronger than the others, but UThing takes out Zombie Hulk with a single (freaking blow me mind) punch. But wait, now we have Namor.. HE'S the strongest, but..

A lot of the 'stories' were literally written for the panel. I think in the end Reed was a villain and Ben and Sue were hooked up?

and yeah, Goat Legged Doom.. or was it Van Damme?




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    A lot of the 'stories' were literally written for the panel. I think in the end Reed was a villain and Ben and Sue were hooked up?


Yeah, Sue and Ben were together and Sue removed a sample of Reed's Fantastic Sauce and impregnated herself artificially. She was told that she and Reed needed to have a child by Spider-Ham.

You can't make this stuff up.






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      A lot of the 'stories' were literally written for the panel. I think in the end Reed was a villain and Ben and Sue were hooked up?



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    Yeah, Sue and Ben were together and Sue removed a sample of Reed's Fantastic Sauce and impregnated herself artificially. She was told that she and Reed needed to have a child by Spider-Ham.



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    You can't make this stuff up.


Oh Sweet Baby Jeebiz, that's just absolutely horrible. Were they just checking to see if anyone was reading the derned thing at that point.






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Count Dante


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Good point on the universe as a whole. I found the series interesting at first, but it fizzles out and loses momentum as Marvel changes artists and the story lines get wackier.

Still, it dispensed with a lot of baggage accumulated in the 616 universe.




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Count Dante


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Some dumb stuff for sure, but they did try to put a new spin on the FF. They just didn't hit the mark.




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I really disliked the macabre zombie stuff too. Lot's loved it, but the whole Walking Dead Marvel reeked of unoriginality.




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TomCorsi


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      It was supposed to be a younger, fresher, re-imagined FF for today's readers. There is no Franklin or Valeria. Sue and Reed aren't even married. So what went wrong with this series?

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        On the surface, didn't Ultimate FF contain some things long-time FF readers wanted? So where did it fail?



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    I would argue that the whole Ultimate universe failed, not just FF.
    Other than Miles Morales/Ultimate Spider Man, is there anyone else from those titles remaining in the current Marvel universe?



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    Not having read very much of any of the ultimate titles, I can't give a specific answer, but I think there was a backlash against the fear that the original Marvel universe would go away and only the Ultimate would remain. Not sure if that was a real possibility or not... I'm pretty sure it was hinted at somewhere and got people up in arms over that possibility. I remember some threads on this board full of angst over that possibility.



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    Another thing was that so much of that universe was driven by Bendis and Millar, and it all seemed to die when they moved on to other titles. Again, just my "outsider" impressions since I did not read much of that. I actually got the first 25 issues of Ultimate FF at a sale at a local comic store in the past year, but haven't read them yet other than the first issue.

The Reed from the Ultimate Universe is now in the regular Marvel Universe as a evil guy.
Which is okay.

We've had evil alternate universe Reed Richards before, like Dark Raider or the Brute.

Also, Ultimate Thor's hammer is now here as well.

Besides Miles supporting cast being here, I believe Ultimate Spider-Woman is hanging between dimensions with the Web Warriors.


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little kon-el


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Those last few issues of the FF were truly weird. Dr. Doom, Falcon, Invisible Woman, and the Machine Man as the Future Foundation, as run by Dr. Susan Storm. What I thought was neat was that Sue Storm is posed as this trouble shooter...this sort of female Doc Savage-type character with the men around her being off in some way. She wasn't a den mother. She was team leader, which was a nice reversal of the typical FF story where she's usually the damsel in distress.

As for Spider-Ham telling her that she needs to be pregnant, it was and it wasn't. What Spider-Ham said was that Franklin Richards was one of the deciding factors in the destruction of the various multiverses. And Franklin Richards are created by mixing Sue and Reed Richards DNA. Sue tries to go to Reed to do this, but he convinces her to find another way. She loves Ben Grimm, so Reed and Sue find a way to use Ben's genetic material and modify it in such a way as to create a being as powerful as a Reed and Sue child. That was the happy ending at the end: Sue telling Ben that they had a boy together.

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