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Star City has spoken, the people want the anti-vigilante act......now Earth was just invaded by Earth X Nazi's......will the citizens, along with local and federal law enforcement realize that heroes/vigilantes are needed?

Also has anyone been able to ID Nazi-Arrow as Oliver Queen? If so, Oliver will have some serious media spin to again deal with as he'd have to point out that it was an alternate Earth counter part and he himself is not the Arrow.

Or will the act stay in place and thus pave the way for ARGUS to become like we see in Legends?


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    Star City has spoken, the people want the anti-vigilante act......now Earth was just invaded by Earth X Nazi's......will the citizens, along with local and federal law enforcement realize that heroes/vigilantes are needed?



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    Also has anyone been able to ID Nazi-Arrow as Oliver Queen? If so, Oliver will have some serious media spin to again deal with as he'd have to point out that it was an alternate Earth counter part and he himself is not the Arrow.


I'm surprised heroes even allow themselves to be framed. I wouldn't waste time trying to find out who framed me for a crime if I lived in the DC or Marvel universe. I would just pin the crime on aliens, robots, alternate reality doubles or clones and demand someone prove me wrong because everyone in those worlds knows that stuff happens. Or I would wrongly frame the wrong super villain and blame them for trying to frame me.

With the technology the heroes have they can fake any evidence they need to blame someone else for a crime they're being accused of. So just blame one of the lamer villains who can't afford a good lawyer. Or blame someone everyone knows is guilty of something but the courts can never prove.

I would take someone down with me even if they weren't the one to frame me.



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That's all swell and dandy but one must admit that Oliver needs some more spin control to keep his ID safe, and he has no clue what evidence the Feds have on him.

Frankly he should have Felicty and Curtis work to purging all video records of the Arrow and Green Arrow from media/law enforcement archives.

This would be due to the fact that that hood of his and a domino mask really do not conceal his ID that well. He needs to switch to a face mask like his counterpart was wearing.


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    Star City has spoken, the people want the anti-vigilante act......now Earth was just invaded by Earth X Nazi's......will the citizens, along with local and federal law enforcement realize that heroes/vigilantes are needed?



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    Also has anyone been able to ID Nazi-Arrow as Oliver Queen? If so, Oliver will have some serious media spin to again deal with as he'd have to point out that it was an alternate Earth counter part and he himself is not the Arrow.


Seems like the body of "Oliver X" is a tailor made excuse for Ollie. Just parade out the body dressed as Green Arrow while Ollie is standing next to it at a news conference.

Ollie says something along the lines of, "While many people have thought I was the Green Arrow, we can easily see how they were confused due to his (Oliver X) uncanny resemblance to me."

Problem solved. FBI Agent and her hokey investigation go away.





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      Star City has spoken, the people want the anti-vigilante act......now Earth was just invaded by Earth X Nazi's......will the citizens, along with local and federal law enforcement realize that heroes/vigilantes are needed?

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        Also has anyone been able to ID Nazi-Arrow as Oliver Queen? If so, Oliver will have some serious media spin to again deal with as he'd have to point out that it was an alternate Earth counter part and he himself is not the Arrow.



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    Seems like the body of "Oliver X" is a tailor made excuse for Ollie. Just parade out the body dressed as Green Arrow while Ollie is standing next to it at a news conference.



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    Ollie says something along the lines of, "While many people have thought I was the Green Arrow, we can easily see how they were confused due to his (Oliver X) uncanny resemblance to me."



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    Problem solved. FBI Agent and her hokey investigation go away.


But how would Ollie explain that they have the same fingerprints?




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    But how would Ollie explain that they have the same fingerprints?


Do they? Identical twins don't.





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      But how would Ollie explain that they have the same fingerprints?



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    Do they? Identical twins don't.

They're supposed to be the same person from different realities, so they should have the same fingerprints. Usually in these sorts of stories they are identical (fingerprints, retinal scans, etc.) and the only way to tell them apart is to see their "vibrational signature". (Justice League Gods Among Us for example)

I'm thinking that they do unless it's specifically stated that they don't.




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    They're supposed to be the same person from different realities, so they should have the same fingerprints. Usually in these sorts of stories they are identical (fingerprints, retinal scans, etc.) and the only way to tell them apart is to see their "vibrational signature". (Justice League Gods Among Us for example)


Yeah but I've always been annoyed at plot points like this. Clones and alternate timeline doppelgangers shouldn't have the same finger prints. We just accept it but it's wrong because we know identical twins don't have the same prints.

We know the events of Earth-1 and Earth X diverged long before the Olivers were born. We know finger prints are formed in the womb. Factors that can shape our finger printers are genetic factors, location in the womb, amniotic levels etc. Odds are Moira and Nazi Earth Moira did not experience the exact same conditions in their pregnancies.

And I think it was established in Flash season 2 that individuals on Earth-2 have reversed finger prints than those of people on earth-1. So even in story there's precedent for alternate earth doppelgangers having different finger prints.



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    I'm thinking that they do unless it's specifically stated that they don't.


I'd like some clarification on the plot point. Like I said I thought it was implied people from Earth-2 DO NOT have the same fingerprints. They have the reverse. So it stands to reason Earth X people might have different prints as well.





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    We know the events of Earth-1 and Earth X diverged long before the Olivers were born. We know finger prints are formed in the womb. Factors that can shape our finger printers are genetic factors, location in the womb, amniotic levels etc. Odds are Moira and Nazi Earth Moira did not experience the exact same conditions in their pregnancies.



This is the same line of biological reasoning that to me makes it silly that dopplegangers exist in alternate realities at all.

Even if a particular Earth-1 person's parents did meet and fall in love in the alternate reality too, for the perfect doppleganger to exist, their parents would have to conceive on the same night, and even then, the same... swimmer would have to get to the egg.




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      We know the events of Earth-1 and Earth X diverged long before the Olivers were born. We know finger prints are formed in the womb. Factors that can shape our finger printers are genetic factors, location in the womb, amniotic levels etc. Odds are Moira and Nazi Earth Moira did not experience the exact same conditions in their pregnancies.



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    This is the same line of biological reasoning that to me makes it silly that dopplegangers exist in alternate realities at all.



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    Even if a particular Earth-1 person's parents did meet and fall in love in the alternate reality too, for the perfect doppleganger to exist, their parents would have to conceive on the same night, and even then, the same... swimmer would have to get to the egg.


A perfectly valid point. I remember thinking the same thing when we saw Peter Parker on a Nazi rules the world What If story.





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