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Reverend Meteor


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so um...no mention by cbr that Gerard Jones the guy they're quoting has been sentenced to six years for distributing child porn?





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It does say that the interview with Jones came from 2001, pre-scandal. So I'm sure they didn't want to sour the whole article which is talking about the storyline in question. Still, a blurb at the top or tail of the article might have seemed an appropriate disclosure ...

Actually reading this article spurred me to look up that very scandal. I remember when he had been arrested and accused and people were saying "maybe someone hacked his computer and framed him" and such but I never heard the outcome. Looks like he pled guilty on most counts. Sad.



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Iron Man Unit 007


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Well any reprints of Death of Superman/Reign of the Supermen should still include the GL part of the story as Hal showing up was a bit pivotal to the outcome.

However that doesn't mean they NEED to put Gerard's name in the credits with the rest of the writers/artists.

As to the rest of his work, well if it isn't in demand then there isn't much to worry about. If they want to release TPB's of that era, just remove his name from the credits.


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I guess I don't see the problem from a larger view.

There are a lot of creations, scientific breakthroughs, music, football stars etc...that can be called on what they did wrong held accountable for it without re-writing history.




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Iron Man Unit 007


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Well it really comes down to what the actual or alleged crime or crimes are.

Someone once made a case for Pete Rose to be reinstated to baseball and put into the Hall of Fame based on the fact that many of the players in the HoF were drunks and wife beaters.

My response was "But did any of them cheat, or perhaps more accurately stated; get CAUGHT cheating like the Chicago Black Sox and Pete Rose?"

Hulk Hogan: he said some stupid stuff and was punished for it. he has long since apologized many times, has had people vouch for him, did an apology tour and was awarded for helping kids to better understand his situation and to preach to them about how racism is bad, etc. He is now reinstated in the WWE.....granted not everyone is happy about that, but all he did was say stupid things.

What Gerard Jones was involved with though......


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I think the question is, if what he did was so repellent that you must entirely disassociate yourself from him, can you still read his work? I mean even if you take his name off the Death/Return of Superman TPB you are still reading his work. Does that bother you (or anyone), do his personal crimes infect the work?

Then there's the legal question, can you reprint his work without giving him credit or paying him royalties legally? Contractually?

It seems to me you have two options. Either keep his work in print, give him credit, put all proceeds to some child-abuse charity (so there's no profit for him to share in) and put a note in the book acknowledging the crime and using it as a teachable moment. Or bury the work. Don't do a half measure.


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Iron Man Unit 007


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Well it was only one issue of GL in Death/Return of Superman, so reading it again wouldn't phase me.

Either take his name off, or send any royalties to charity.


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Yeah no way to unring that bell.

pedophiles and people who get caught saying the N word publicly can pretty much give up any chance of a comeback.

But plenty of celebrities and public servants have killed people and went on to have great careers.

https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-who-have-killed-people/celebrity-lists






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    Well it was only one issue of GL in Death/Return of Superman, so reading it again wouldn't phase me.



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    Either take his name off, or send any royalties to charity.


I'd say the later.

I don't like revisionist history. Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

Not condoning what he did in anyway...but re-writing unpleasant history is not a good path imo.


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    Yeah no way to unring that bell.



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    pedophiles and people who get caught saying the N word publicly can pretty much give up any chance of a comeback.

Hulk Hogan got back into the Hall of Fame after saying the N word.


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MysteryMan


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          pedophiles and people who get caught saying the N word publicly can pretty much give up any chance of a comeback.

        Hulk Hogan got back into the Hall of Fame after saying the N word.

        Didn't Snoop Dog keep his status after saying it a million times too? ;P



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Reverend Meteor


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I think I read somewhere Snoop now likes to use the term Nephew instead of the N word to denote black friends he is close with.







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    I think I read somewhere Snoop now likes to use the term Nephew instead of the N word to denote black friends he is close with.



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Truly? Cause I just saw him in the John Stewart show with black athletes where he was in the interview for some reason as well. And boy did he jump up quick to defend his use of it. Using the same line all rappers have about owning it...making it yours etc...


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Dakota


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      I think I read somewhere Snoop now likes to use the term Nephew instead of the N word to denote black friends he is close with.

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    Truly? Cause I just saw him in the John Stewart show with black athletes where he was in the interview for some reason as well. And boy did he jump up quick to defend his use of it. Using the same line all rappers have about owning it...making it yours etc...


Maybe it depends on where he is and the audience around him. I noticed him using that term "nephew" a lot on his Joker's Wild show, and wondered where that came from. Wasn't sure if that was some new slang I wasn't aware of.


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