After the fourth reading, I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and new direction. Cates has me more interested in the character than I've been in a while. Ryan Ottley's art adds a nice touch. A little cartoony at times, but his Hulk looks powerful and explodes off the page. His Hulk is as dynamic looking as Sal Buscema's.

Question - Anyone else think that since gamma is both science and magic; as stated in Al Ewing's run; Banner used his own gamma mind to create that palace in his head? I believe he is no longer being reactive, but proactive by learning how to use his gammafied body.

Also, does everyone realize we were watching Banner-Hulk i.e. Banner in control of Hulk's body in that issue?

I wouldn't base any theories for Cates run on previously established continuity.
Cates pretty consistently shows a flagrant disregard for previously established canon and verisimilitude in general.

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After the fourth reading, I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and new direction. Cates has me more interested in the character than I've been in a while. Ryan Ottley's art adds a nice touch. A little cartoony at times, but his Hulk looks powerful and explodes off the page. His Hulk is as dynamic looking as Sal Buscema's.


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Question - Anyone else think that since gamma is both science and magic; as stated in Al Ewing's run; Banner used his own gamma mind to create that palace in his head? I believe he is no longer being reactive, but proactive by learning how to use his gammafied body.


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I wouldn't base any theories for Cates run on previously established continuity.
Cates pretty consistently shows a flagrant disregard for previously established canon and verisimilitude in general.

I'm not sure about that, but someone from another board posted this clip wherein Donny Cates says he hasn't erased anything from Al Ewing's run. So that kills your argument. He's only moved the story forward with a few in story character changes. Case Closed!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvfT9oQe-g4&t=145s

FYI - It was Peter David that first suggested Hulk had the "Air of the Mystic" surrounding him. Hulk and Impossible acts may be linked to alternate reality Hulk's and Puck's gamma statements.

Kills my argument? LOL
That's a statement designed to keep Ewing fans onboard.
Good business, also erasing doesn't preclude overlooking or ignoring.
Meanwhile Cates entire Marvel back catalog clearly supports my argument.

I'll go ahead a predict how Cates' Hulk run plays out.

First 6 issues (or first arc) - He'll come up with a few idea kernels that seem potentially promising.
He'll give Hulk 1 or 2 insane feats to whet the fanboy appetites.
Those idea kernels will not be fleshed out in a logically consistent or satisfying way.
Fandom slowly becomes divided, fans that like the power fantasy overlook the underlying flaws of plot and characterization.
This arc will bee the least decompressed (though still decompressed) then overly compressed in the last issue of the arc.
The Hook...

Issues 6-12 (or second arc) - He'll find an old Hulk plot point an attempt to really deconstruct the character in way he thinks is clever.
If you're an old school Hulk fan this is where your doubt creeps in as the feat high begins to wear off.
Action will be less this arc, he'll likely begin to focus on secondary characters as much as the Hulk.
But you'll probably stick with it hoping for another insane feat
The Line...

Issues 12+ (or third arc) - This is where even more severe decompression begins. This is where Cates will try to really put his own unique stamp on the character -- canon and internal consistency be damned. My guess it will be a take that casts Banner in a terrible light and has long term implications that won't sit will with a high percentage of old school Hulk fans.
The Sinker...

Have fun, I won't be reading it unless its bootleg

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After the fourth reading, I must say, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and new direction. Cates has me more interested in the character than I've been in a while. Ryan Ottley's art adds a nice touch. A little cartoony at times, but his Hulk looks powerful and explodes off the page. His Hulk is as dynamic looking as Sal Buscema's.


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Question - Anyone else think that since gamma is both science and magic; as stated in Al Ewing's run; Banner used his own gamma mind to create that palace in his head? I believe he is no longer being reactive, but proactive by learning how to use his gammafied body.


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I wouldn't base any theories for Cates run on previously established continuity.
Cates pretty consistently shows a flagrant disregard for previously established canon and verisimilitude in general.



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I'm not sure about that, but someone from another board posted this clip wherein Donny Cates says he hasn't erased anything from Al Ewing's run. So that kills your argument. He's only moved the story forward with a few in story character changes. Case Closed!!!


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FYI - It was Peter David that first suggested Hulk had the "Air of the Mystic" surrounding him. Hulk and Impossible acts may be linked to alternate reality Hulk's and Puck's gamma statements.

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Kills my argument? LOL
That's a statement designed to keep Ewing fans onboard.
Good business, also erasing doesn't preclude overlooking or ignoring.

Meanwhile Cates entire Marvel back catalog clearly supports my argument.

Let's try to keep this civil fellas. Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion.
What Immodicus is describing, is exactly what Cates did with the Thor book. Some of the guys on the Thor Board like it, the majority is one step away from burning Cates at the stake.
It's only logical he would try something similar with the Hulk book. And to be fair, it's a well established fact that Cates doesn't give a damn about continuity.

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Let's try to keep this civil fellas. Everybody is entitled to his/her opinion.
What Immodicus is describing, is exactly what Cates did with the Thor book. Some of the guys on the Thor Board like it, the majority is one step away from burning Cates at the stake.
It's only logical he would try something similar with the Hulk book. And to be fair, it's a well established fact that Cates doesn't give a damn about continuity.
That being said, I actually liked the first issue. Although I still think the idea of The Hulk as a spaceship is ridiculous.
Banner split his psyche into three distinct parts. I'm curious to see which parts...

What you are suggesting makes no sense. Just because you follow someone's Twitter account doesn't mean you can read their mind. Now if you have a buddy that works for Marvel telling you the company's secrets; the same ones you're debating with me, then acting as if you've figured something out; is at best disingenuous.

You lost the cosmic battle when I stated Silver Surfer purposely sought Hulk's gamma power to break Galactus's barrier. You further erred by saying Galactus is Omnipotent, a character that eats planets for sustenance or he'll get famished, wither away and die. Again, you need to think these things through.

As a matter of fact, and further point of contention, Al Ewing wrote Hulk as being the next Galactus-like being in the next iteration of the MU.

What you call bias I call common sense. 

Thor is Cates's most recent storyline en he managed to succesfully screw that up. He's undoubtedly proud of it too. It's not unlikely he's gonna do the exact same thing with The Hulk.
Turning The Hulk into a car for Banner to drive is a pretty good start IMO.

As long as Cates remembers that Hulk is Hulk, I see no problem, yet. After 50 issues of Ewing's IH stories, some of which were certainly entertaining and some a convoluted mess [IMO], I'm ready for a different direction. I too like the idea of Starship Hulk as a vehicle piloted by Banner. The potential for new friends, new foes, new adventures, plus a promised epic throwdown with Thor. Can't wait to see the boards light up for that one. BTW Zelandoni, is that a Pollack? Just wondering.

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Thor is Cates's most recent storyline en he managed to succesfully screw that up. He's undoubtedly proud of it too. It's not unlikely he's gonna do the exact same thing with The Hulk.
Turning The Hulk into a car for Banner to drive is a pretty good start IMO.
With Cates, continuity is out the window from day one.



I really don't care if you (or anyone else for that matter) agree with me, so I'm not getting into an argument with you over this.

I still say your jumping the gun by trying to pass off speculation as fact.

On another note, I don't argue opinions, only facts and story. If you like strawberry ice cream who am I to tell you vanilla is better.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 

Well, I sincerely hope that I'm wrong. That's all I can say.

I actually meant your Avatar. Sorry, should have specified Jackson Pollack, the artist.

That's not a Pollock, that's Eddie Van Halen's Frankenstrat! 

Knew it looked familiar! Wonder though if Ed got the design idea from a Pollack work. I'll have to research that. 

Assessing whether someone adheres to previous continuity is fairly objective from an analytical standpoint. The best fantasy establishes a secondary world and characters that have consistency and continuity, that is what creates realism in fiction. It’s why Lord of the Rings is timeless.

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Assessing whether someone adheres to previous continuity is fairly objective from an analytical standpoint. The best fantasy establishes a secondary world and characters that have consistency and continuity, that is what creates realism in fiction. It’s why Lord of the Rings is timeless.

Another visitor.

What you're driving at has nothing to do with what I said above; but you're preaching to the choir. That's my song. I'm all for continuity.

Al Ewing's run went outside the original concept of the character.

Hulk 001 [2021]

Overall, did not care for it. The contrivances to get this concept/direction. The dissatisfying opening arc lead in. The writer's leeway in characterizing interpretation with Banner in this post-Ewing (good or bad) run. Also, the SIGNIFICANT IM-verse canon-building elements that should be crossed over -or at least noted in-story with Shellhead's title- in a more desired shared universe milieu: Inferior Starktech to Bannertech, Hulkbuster defenses upgrade, Adamantium nanoparticle shrapnel, the trope of Tony having to be in one of the armor and surviving helmetless, AND certainly that friggin (completed) Project: A.R.K. (out of nowhere)! And ignoring the FF costume design - isn't the presence of Echo-Phoenix alongside Bulky-Shulkie chrono-questionable? We'll see if ish #2 is any better - but probably unlikely until the first arc is over.

https://www.comixology.com/Hulk-2021-1/digital-comic/962619
https://graphicpolicy.com/2021/11/21/preview-hulk-1-2/


https://bleedingcool.com/comics/first-look-bruce-banner-piloting-hulk-1-donny-cates-ryan-ottley/

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Yes, after he interrupted the natural course of events, killed Franklin Richards/Galactus and devoured Metatron he became the next version of Galactus.  Hulk with a COSMIC boost became more powerful, shocking right?  

The better question is how do you think this is relevant to anything being discussed?  

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What you are suggesting makes no sense. Just because you follow someone's Twitter account doesn't mean you can read their mind. Now if you have a buddy that works for Marvel telling you the company's secrets; the same ones you're debating with me, then acting as if you've figured something out; is at best disingenuous.

Like I already said between reading Cates' Twitter for years and [unfortunately] reading everything he's done at Marvel I think I have a pretty good bead on him as a writer.  

The only thing utterly disingenuous is the blatant straw man you just concocted right here.     

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You lost the cosmic battle when I stated Silver Surfer purposely sought Hulk's gamma power to break Galactus's barrier. You further erred by saying Galactus is Omnipotent, a character that eats planets for sustenance or he'll get famished, wither away and die. Again, you need to think these things through.

Anyone is free to read through that discussion and draw their own conclusions.  

I don't think the majority would side with your poorly rationalized and unresearched arguments though.  

Feel free to quote *ME* saying Galactus is omnipotent.  This is a blatant lie.   

Also, the barrier ordeal in Hulk #250 doesn't prove what you seem to think it did and in fact that issue as a whole is damning for your stance that "cosmic" always equates to *cosmic rays* in Marvel.  

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As a matter of fact, and further point of contention, Al Ewing wrote Hulk as being the next Galactus-like being in the next iteration of the MU.

Yes, after he interrupted the natural course of events, killed Franklin Richards/Galactus and devoured Metatron he became the next version of Galactus.  Hulk with a COSMIC boost became more powerful, shocking right?  

The better question is how do you think this is relevant to anything being discussed?