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Gamma Ra


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He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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Gamma Ra


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Just because I didn't like Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk, doesn't mean I'm not a fan of his. I think I was the first Hulk fan on this board to voice that wanted him to write the character because I realized the guy is talented and creative. I thoroughly enjoyed most of his work, but Immortal Hulk leaves a lot to be desired.


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    I'll go ahead a predict how Cates' Hulk run plays out.

Either you have inside information, or you know it all. I'm going with you know it all.


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    First 6 issues (or first arc) - He'll come up with a few idea kernels that seem potentially promising.
    He'll give Hulk 1 or 2 insane feats to whet the fanboy appetites.
    Those idea kernels will not be fleshed out in a logically consistent or satisfying way.
    Fandom slowly becomes divided, fans that like the power fantasy overlook the underlying flaws of plot and characterization.
    This arc will bee the least decompressed (though still decompressed) then overly compressed in the last issue of the arc.
    The Hook...



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    Issues 6-12 (or second arc) - He'll find an old Hulk plot point an attempt to really deconstruct the character in way he thinks is clever.
    If you're an old school Hulk fan this is where your doubt creeps in as the feat high begins to wear off.
    Action will be less this arc, he'll likely begin to focus on secondary characters as much as the Hulk.
    But you'll probably stick with it hoping for another insane feat
    The Line...



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    Issues 12+ (or third arc) - This is where even more severe decompression begins. This is where Cates will try to really put his own unique stamp on the character -- canon and internal consistency be damned. My guess it will be a take that casts Banner in a terrible light and has long term implications that won't sit will with a high percentage of old school Hulk fans.
    The Sinker...

Most "old school" Hulk fans don't recognize the character in his run. Too many unnecessary "alter"ations.


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You're new to this Board, I don't recall much coming from you. So I can assure you... no one will miss you.







He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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Gamma Ra


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This is the most biased approach I've seen to solving a dispute.

Donny Cates has written more stories than just Thor. Are all his stories the same? For you to suggest that is good logic, is the height of ignorance. How tall are you?






He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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Gamma Ra


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He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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Gamma Ra


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He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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Immodicus


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Like I already said between reading Cates' Twitter for years and [unfortunately] reading everything he's done at Marvel I think I have a pretty good bead on him as a writer.  
The only thing utterly disingenuous is the blatant straw man you just concocted right here.     


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    You lost the cosmic battle when I stated Silver Surfer purposely sought Hulk's gamma power to break Galactus's barrier. You further erred by saying Galactus is Omnipotent, a character that eats planets for sustenance or he'll get famished, wither away and die. Again, you need to think these things through.

Anyone is free to read through that discussion and draw their own conclusions.  
I don't think the majority would side with your poorly rationalized and unresearched arguments though.  

Feel free to quote *ME* saying Galactus is omnipotent.  This is a blatant lie.   

Also, the barrier ordeal in Hulk #250 doesn't prove what you seem to think it did and in fact that issue as a whole is damning for your stance that "cosmic" always equates to *cosmic rays* in Marvel.  


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    As a matter of fact, and further point of contention, Al Ewing wrote Hulk as being the next Galactus-like being in the next iteration of the MU.

Yes, after he interrupted the natural course of events, killed Franklin Richards/Galactus and devoured Metatron he became the next version of Galactus.  Hulk with a COSMIC boost became more powerful, shocking right?  
The better question is how do you think this is relevant to anything being discussed?  




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Gamma Ra


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Gamma Ra's (my) response - This board is out of whack. My responses to you are numbered and in bold. Yours are not.

1) You evidently don't understand what a straw man argument is. I didn't even suggest anything other than the fact you think you know the direction Cates will take the book over the next two years from reading his Twitter account. That's either arrogance, egotism or you have an inside on it.

2) As for my poorly rationalized and unresearch arguments; as you call them; they all came straight out of the comic book stories. All referenced.

Again, case closed on the Surfer issue. He even knew gamma is a greater power than cosmic energy. Read the story.

3) Hulk has always had cosmic energy infused in him since TIH #3 written by Stan Lee. Throughout Hulk's long history, his base strength has grown by being hit with both more gamma energy and more cosmic energy. It's just the nature of the character. Nothing new here.






He's... A Misunderstood MONSTER! An INCREDIBLE force! He's ASTONISHING! That's why you don't comprehend him! And because of his...RAMPAGING, the Hater will not tolerate him SAVAGE, INDESTRUCTIBLE, nor his being IMMORTAL!!!
Watch out for that Gamma-Burst ...The WORLD BREAKER!!! "Only the Hulk could have attempted it! Only the Hulk would have been capable of it! Only the Hulk could have done it!"- Tales To Astonish #063 "There is no way to measure his strength! There is nothing he cannot do!"- Tales To Astonish #073 "That something -- anything -- could grab hold of an energy field should be IMPOSSIBLE! But the Hulk grabs hold just the same!"- The Incredible Hulk #242 Gamma Ra the Assassin aka Lord Smash'emall - Faithful Member of The Church of Hulk
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