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Alexandre Juliao


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It takes 3 to 4 months to complete a comic. This means that issue # 597 is probably ready, with 3 issues remaining to complete the storyline.

What Tom Brevoort usually does in these cases, is to call someone to rescript issues and write the end of storylines, avoiding dangling plots for the future writer.

Let's see if we will have any news about this, when Marvel and specifically Brevoort, recover from the unpleasant surprise. Unpleasant for them, but very pleasant for us.



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The Mandarin


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The sort of writers used in these emergency fill-in issues tend to be really, really, really, reeeeally bad.




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MysteryMan


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    It takes 3 to 4 months to complete a comic. This means that issue # 597 is probably ready, with 3 issues remaining to complete the storyline.



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    What Tom Brevoort usually does in these cases, is to call someone to rescript issues and write the end of storylines, avoiding dangling plots for the future writer.



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    Let's see if we will have any news about this, when Marvel and specifically Brevoort, recover from the unpleasant surprise. Unpleasant for them, but very pleasant for us.





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Alexandre Juliao


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Yes, that's really true. But in some cases, the opposite also happens. For example, Karl Kesel finished the work that Matt Fraction started in Fantastic Four. I didn´t read those stories, but Kesel is a great writer and great FF fan, so I think he did a good job. And when Robin Laws rescripted Mike Greel's latest Iron Man issues, he showed that it's possible to turn dirt into gold, only with dialogues.


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Alexandre Juliao


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The Kanaufs maybe, but unfortunately as far as Tom Brevoort is concerned, Dave and Bob are persona non grata at Marvel. Although David Michelinie wrote a short story for Venom recently.

Whoever will be the next writer will be, he'll have a hard job ahead of him to fix the mess Bendis did.



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Leonard


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Once you are at the bottom... where can you go?



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The Mandarin


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This isn't bottom. Civil War was bottom. This run has flaws but isn't even close to bottom.




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The Mandarin


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Bendis' run isn't "a mess". It's a little dry since it lacked a compelling villain, but it didn't hurt Stark as a character, and in fact tried to build him up as someone sympathetic and relatable.




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Alexandre Juliao


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Well, the characters in the comic act like complete idiots, talking too much without saying anything.

Recently an edition of Infamous Iron Man and another one of Invincible Iron Man, have been totally modified after they have been solicited. This is common when writers are replaced in a title, but with the same writer I don’t remember ever seeing anything like this.

The end of Infamous Iron Man incidentally, was one of the most idiotic comic that I have seen in a long time.

For me, this is a sign that he never had a clue as to what to write. If this is not a mess, I don’t know what it is anymore.

As far as bad writing goes, Bendis did a much worse job than Matt Fraction.



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The Mandarin


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Fraction wrote a character who was unlikable, and whom I did not care whether he lived or died. That alone is enough to make him inferior to Bendis.




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Grey Gargoyle


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MysteryMan


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    Fraction wrote a character who was unlikable, and whom I did not care whether he lived or died. That alone is enough to make him inferior to Bendis.


But Bendis did essentially kill Stark and replaced him with Riri. When you take the character out of the book the only worse thing you can do is make him no longer viable.


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The Mandarin


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Except he kept him in A.I. form, and wrote several scenes of him having a Wolverine/Jubilee or Batman/Robin or Doctor Who/companion type type mentorship. Such scenes are part of the appeal of Doctor Who, Batman and Wolverine, and importing that characterization to Stark is a smart play.

That's not to say there weren't plenty of flaws in the details of how he went about this. I've criticized him plenty for the way Riri never seemed to be protecting or avenging anyone, because the villains were bland creatures who never did anything vicious. Also, Jubilee, X-23, Dick Grayson, and Damian Wayne all had psychological issues that made mentoring them an interesting journey. Riri's grief wasn't kept as a living thing and it should have been.

There were flaws in execution, but the idea that Stark should be made more relatable by giving him someone to mentor was at its core a smart play.




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hugh


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I never thought anyone could surpass Grell or Quesada's short run as being basement level for this mag, but meaningless-talking-heads-to-fill-up-a-page-count-Bendis did it. Absolute empty drivel. I look forward to actually considering purchasing an actual Iron Man issue with possibly an actual Tony Stark to read about...


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hugh


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Eh, been there done that with the mentoring bit - from Eddie March to Jack of Hearts to Rhodey. If you are going to saddle someone who doesn't really need a kid Robin to play off of, then give him a mature adult, not transform him to Batman, or worse, Dr Who with Adric.


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MysteryMan


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    Eh, been there done that with the mentoring bit - from Eddie March to Jack of Hearts to Rhodey. If you are going to saddle someone who doesn't really need a kid Robin to play off of, then give him a mature adult, not transform him to Batman, or worse, Dr Who with Adric.


Worse...its not even Stark. So Bendis is showing an AI can be a better person than Tony ever could be? No...Bendis whole point is Tony doesn't deserve this...and he should get out of the way for SJW Riri and write his daughters fan fiction.

Some "simulacrum" of Tony got to be a mentor.


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hugh


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All I can say is I'm just really really happy I have bypassed this entire run.... 8 )


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Iron Man Unit 007


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I wonder if Marvel really was surprised or if it was more of a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" thing.

Anyway, it is time for Adam Warlock, or even Thanos to quickly reassemble the infinity gauntlet and also obtain a cosmic cube for extra power and then say that magic word that comic fans both love and hate:

REBOOT!

The MU gets a complete reboot/virus cleanse/Bendis taint removal.

Legacy characters are fully restored, this includes Tony Stark and especially THOR GOD OF THUNDER!

A new universe is created designated "SJW" and that is where all the SJW/modern versions of the legacy characters shall go, such as Miles Morales, Amadeus Hulk, Jane Foster THOR (but with the Ultimate THOR's hammer instead), Riri, Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider (worst Rider ever!) etc. On that Earth they get to have their adventures and live their lives.

The legacy heroes all stay on the main Earth and if necessary the characters get reverted to pre-Bendis era versions if that is what it takes. Also for your consideration, the permanent negation of the Mephisto Mindwipe and reinstatement of the Spider-marriage, and if Carol Danvers goes to the SJW universe, we need a Captain Marvel in the main universe so Mar-Vell gets revived for good.


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The Mandarin


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    A new universe is created designated "SJW" and that is where all the SJW/modern versions of the legacy characters shall go, such as Miles Morales, Amadeus Hulk, Jane Foster THOR (but with the Ultimate THOR's hammer instead), Riri, Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider (worst Rider ever!) etc. On that Earth they get to have their adventures and live their lives.


That I can't agree with. Look, I like Riri and would prefer she become Stark's surrogate daughter, kind of like a Doctor Who companion. But if she absolutely has to go, then she should be refrigerated, which is to say harvested for angst. She's a resource. Resources get harvested, not thrown away. To simply throw her away is extremely wasteful. Keep her around long enough for Stark to truly think of her as his daughter, then harvest her to give Stark a permanent source of grief.






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Reverend Meteor


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    I wonder if Marvel really was surprised or if it was more of a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" thing.


I think it was one of those battered wives situations. He was horrible but they still didn't want him to leave because he still paid their bills.



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    Anyway, it is time for Adam Warlock, or even Thanos to quickly reassemble the infinity gauntlet and also obtain a cosmic cube for extra power and then say that magic word that comic fans both love and hate:



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    REBOOT!


I'm fine with resetting the clock to when I got out of high school...reboot everything back to the moment the Avengers and Fantastic Four walked into Onslaught.

Marvel needs a cleansing.



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    The MU gets a complete reboot/virus cleanse/Bendis taint removal.


So you're saying Marvel needs a colonic \:\)


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    Legacy characters are fully restored, this includes Tony Stark and especially THOR GOD OF THUNDER!



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    A new universe is created designated "SJW" and that is where all the SJW/modern versions of the legacy characters shall go, such as Miles Morales, Amadeus Hulk, Jane Foster THOR (but with the Ultimate THOR's hammer instead), Riri, Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider (worst Rider ever!) etc. On that Earth they get to have their adventures and live their lives.


And that universe is destroyed...and all memories of every character there is erased. Obviously Carol and Sam Wilson aren't sent there...they just go back to their old names. And Jane doesn't blow up...she just dies of cancer on the regular earth and people grieve her loss but she doesn't come back either.


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    The legacy heroes all stay on the main Earth and if necessary the characters get reverted to pre-Bendis era versions if that is what it takes. Also for your consideration, the permanent negation of the Mephisto Mindwipe and reinstatement of the Spider-marriage, and if Carol Danvers goes to the SJW universe, we need a Captain Marvel in the main universe so Mar-Vell gets revived for good.


I don't think Carol should be banished to Earth-SJW. She just needs to be demoted to Ms. Marvel and then fine bring Mar-Vell back I guess. Kinda neutral on Mar but if it gets Carol back into the black costume then fine let's do it.



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Reverend Meteor


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    That I can't agree with. Look, I like Riri and would prefer she become Stark's surrogate daughter, kind of like a Doctor Who companion. But if she absolutely has to go, then she should be refrigerated, which is to say harvested for angst. She's a resource. Resources get harvested, not thrown away. To simply throw her away is extremely wasteful. Keep her around long enough for Stark to truly think of her as his daughter, then harvest her to give Stark a permanent source of grief.


Maybe they could just make her his bastard daughter? (or Jim's!) I mean if it was his real daughter I could see it. I don't see the need to invent a father/daughter relationship unless he's adopting her or he is related to her.

He already has that brother he isn't related to and wasn't raised with.

Reverend Meteor (not a fan of turning someone into someone's surrogate kid until it's really earned)



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