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boham




Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.


thanks,
boham


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MattS80




> Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
>

Solomon Grundy. I was a bit confused regarding the current issue, but that's pretty much all I got from it.




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Lightning Strike




> Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.

I'm guessing Ivo was talking about immortal "humans", and wasn't including aliens or "gods".
With that in mind, there's quite a few immortals including Vandal Savage, Ra's al Ghul, Deathstroke, Ressurrection Man, Damien Darhk (leader of HIVE), Hob Gadling, Plastic Man and Jason Blood. Obviously I'm missing some, but those are some off the top of my head. You could also argue that Captain Marvel is immortal, but Billy isn't so I'm not sure he would count.


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Zazu




> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> Solomon Grundy. I was a bit confused regarding the current issue, but that's pretty much all I got from it.
>
No, the whole point of the story is that Solomon Grundy wants to take Ivo's place as one of the 13 immortals. (Well, not Ivo specifically, but Ivo is volunteering.)

I don't think Grundy would currently be considered an immortal because he's more or less undead, he keeps getting "killed" and he regenerates each time with a slightly different personality. He wants to become immortal in his current form so he can keep his current level of intelligence.


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jedispyder




> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> I'm guessing Ivo was talking about immortal "humans", and wasn't including aliens or "gods".
> With that in mind, there's quite a few immortals including Vandal Savage, Ra's al Ghul, Deathstroke, Ressurrection Man, Damien Darhk (leader of HIVE), Hob Gadling, Plastic Man and Jason Blood. Obviously I'm missing some, but those are some off the top of my head. You could also argue that Captain Marvel is immortal, but Billy isn't so I'm not sure he would count.

Ra's isn't immortal, he's definitely dead right now, and if he survives his cremation by Batman then the fat lady has sung...


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Zazu




> > > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
> >
> > I'm guessing Ivo was talking about immortal "humans", and wasn't including aliens or "gods".
> > With that in mind, there's quite a few immortals including Vandal Savage, Ra's al Ghul, Deathstroke, Ressurrection Man, Damien Darhk (leader of HIVE), Hob Gadling, Plastic Man and Jason Blood. Obviously I'm missing some, but those are some off the top of my head. You could also argue that Captain Marvel is immortal, but Billy isn't so I'm not sure he would count.

> Ra's isn't immortal, he's definitely dead right now, and if he survives his cremation by Batman then the fat lady has sung...

He survived into the 30th century as he went up against the Legion in their last series. His survival had to do with cloning so it's still possible for him to be around.


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Atom Booster




> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> I'm guessing Ivo was talking about immortal "humans", and wasn't including aliens or "gods".
> With that in mind, there's quite a few immortals including Vandal Savage, Ra's al Ghul, Deathstroke, Ressurrection Man, Damien Darhk (leader of HIVE), Hob Gadling, Plastic Man and Jason Blood. Obviously I'm missing some, but those are some off the top of my head. You could also argue that Captain Marvel is immortal, but Billy isn't so I'm not sure he would count.

>
I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please


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Lightning Strike




> > > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
> >
> > I'm guessing Ivo was talking about immortal "humans", and wasn't including aliens or "gods".
> > With that in mind, there's quite a few immortals including Vandal Savage, Ra's al Ghul, Deathstroke, Ressurrection Man, Damien Darhk (leader of HIVE), Hob Gadling, Plastic Man and Jason Blood. Obviously I'm missing some, but those are some off the top of my head. You could also argue that Captain Marvel is immortal, but Billy isn't so I'm not sure he would count.

> >
> I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please

There's not much more to say. He's been "killed" more than once, only to revive and live again.

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Scott




> > I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please

Doesn't he have a healing factor from his origin story?

It wasn't his origin but it happened years later.
Slade underwent a process to gain regeneration power, allowing him to survive any wound so long as his brain is intact (this power is limited, as Slade can not regenerate his lost eye since that injury happened before he gained his healing factor).
....
Deathstroke also possesses a regenerative factor in his blood that enables him to heal from physical injury much faster than a normal person. This has also made him effectively immortal, enabling him to recover from fatal injuries.


Scott


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Superman's Pal




> > > I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please
>
> Doesn't he have a healing factor from his origin story?
>
> It wasn't his origin but it happened years later.
> Slade underwent a process to gain regeneration power, allowing him to survive any wound so long as his brain is intact (this power is limited, as Slade can not regenerate his lost eye since that injury happened before he gained his healing factor).
> ....
> Deathstroke also possesses a regenerative factor in his blood that enables him to heal from physical injury much faster than a normal person. This has also made him effectively immortal, enabling him to recover from fatal injuries.


The healing factor also did such a good job of regenerating his cells that one time it also reversed his aging, returning him to a much younger form in his 20s or 30s. Not quite sure how he aged back to his current state. They had also had a story in that era towards the end of his series where they showed us that like 20 years in the future, Deathstroke and Hawkman hadn't aged and were fighting some kind of immortal war.





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TJ Burns




> Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.

My guess is that the immortals don't include those who reincarnate automatically, or have immortality through cloning, or a device. Rather, it only includes those who are immortal and unkillable through a property that they themselves have granted to them intrensically. This eliminates beings like Hawkman, Swamp Thing, the Green Lantern Adam, Ras Al Ghul (whose Lazarus-inspired immortality doesn't count since it requires continues use of the Pit), and a few others. For purposes of winnowing the list further, I'm also going to cut out mystical beings like Uncle Sam, who are not human.

As such, we're left with knowing about the following potentials:

Professor Ivo (confirmed)

The Phantom Stranger's comments seem to imply that Red Tornado was one, since his body continually repairs.

Vandal Savage (almost certainly)

Resurrection Man (whose own series named him as taking the Immortal Man's place, which goes well with the concept that Meltzer is showing us.)

Deathstroke, who is immortal from a US Government created serum.

The Ravager, who, according to Johns, has been treated with the same serum.

Damien Darkh, who was also exposed to the same serum via blood transfusion.

Metamorpho (who can't die without Ra specifically removing his power, just like with Element Girl. It's generally immortal by the same idea that Ivo is, so...)

The Forever Man, from Warlord #79 fits all the criteria we've set, but may not count, since he's not on the Earthly plane anymore. He became immortal on Earth though, so maybe he does count.

Miss America (who Freedom Fighters recently revealed doesn't age and never had. She still may not be immortal though, so she's a maybe.)

Davy Tenzer, an immortal boy who met Green Arrow and Black Canary in ACTION #450-452.

General Immortus, who finally found immortality via serum in his last bout with the Doom Patrol.

I suspect the Phantom Stranger's knowledge of the 13 may have been intended as a clue that he's a member.

That's 13. Any other suggestions?

Oh, former members might include Element Girl and the Immortal Man.


TJB


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Beowulf




> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
> >
> > > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> My guess is that the immortals don't include those who reincarnate automatically, or have immortality through cloning, or a device. Rather, it only includes those who are immortal and unkillable through a property that they themselves have granted to them intrensically. This eliminates beings like Hawkman, Swamp Thing, the Green Lantern Adam, Ras Al Ghul (whose Lazarus-inspired immortality doesn't count since it requires continues use of the Pit), and a few others. For purposes of winnowing the list further, I'm also going to cut out mystical beings like Uncle Sam, who are not human.
>

Problem is that there much more than 13 immortals running around.

> As such, we're left with knowing about the following potentials:
>
> Professor Ivo (confirmed)
>
> The Phantom Stranger's comments seem to imply that Red Tornado was one, since his body continually repairs.
>

Problem is, aside from being an android and thus not really human before his transformation, the Red Tornado is also an elemental same as Swamp Thing, so he should be excluded.

> Vandal Savage (almost certainly)

Has to constantly repair his body, by using transplants from his decendants. Doesn't come across as that immortal.


> Resurrection Man (whose own series named him as taking the Immortal Man's place, which goes well with the concept that Meltzer is showing us.)
>

Makes kinda sense.


> Deathstroke, who is immortal from a US Government created serum.
>

Actually it was Chesire boosting the effects of his healfactor, which made him immortal.

> The Ravager, who, according to Johns, has been treated with the same serum.
>

Even if that is true(the original serum was stated to be destroyed/lost), she didn't get an enhancement like her Daddy. Or was she given a bloodtransfusion as well?

> Damien Darkh, who was also exposed to the same serum via blood transfusion.
>

But Deathstroke's wife Addie got the same deal and still died.
The question remains, if that is the same kind of immortality.

> Metamorpho (who can't die without Ra specifically removing his power, just like with Element Girl. It's generally immortal by the same idea that Ivo is, so...)
>

Element Girl died and so did another metamorph. Death said, that she and Rex had witnessed his destruction, which goes against them being truly immortal.

> The Forever Man, from Warlord #79 fits all the criteria we've set, but may not count, since he's not on the Earthly plane anymore. He became immortal on Earth though, so maybe he does count.
>
> Miss America (who Freedom Fighters recently revealed doesn't age and never had. She still may not be immortal though, so she's a maybe.)
>
> Davy Tenzer, an immortal boy who met Green Arrow and Black Canary in ACTION #450-452.
>
> General Immortus, who finally found immortality via serum in his last bout with the Doom Patrol.
>
> I suspect the Phantom Stranger's knowledge of the 13 may have been intended as a clue that he's a member.
>

Except he is a mystic being. Hinted to be a fallen angel.

> That's 13. Any other suggestions?
>
> Oh, former members might include Element Girl and the Immortal Man.
>
>
> TJB

Maybe we should be less restrict and do include mystic beings. I think it boils down to: Who lives forever and is pretty impossible to kill?


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Beowulf




> > > I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please
>
> Doesn't he have a healing factor from his origin story?
>
> It wasn't his origin but it happened years later.
> Slade underwent a process to gain regeneration power, allowing him to survive any wound so long as his brain is intact (this power is limited, as Slade can not regenerate his lost eye since that injury happened before he gained his healing factor).
> ....

Actually he had fast healing abilities before, he lost his eye as part of his original powers. But they didn't include the regeneration of lost body parts. He was already Deathstroke, when Addie shot out his eye. It remains open to debate if his augmented immortality factor, can grow back lost limbs.




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Lightning Strike




> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
> >
> > > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> My guess is that the immortals don't include those who reincarnate automatically, or have immortality through cloning, or a device. Rather, it only includes those who are immortal and unkillable through a property that they themselves have granted to them intrensically. This eliminates beings like Hawkman, Swamp Thing, the Green Lantern Adam, Ras Al Ghul (whose Lazarus-inspired immortality doesn't count since it requires continues use of the Pit), and a few others. For purposes of winnowing the list further, I'm also going to cut out mystical beings like Uncle Sam, who are not human.
>
> As such, we're left with knowing about the following potentials:
>
> Professor Ivo (confirmed)
>
> The Phantom Stranger's comments seem to imply that Red Tornado was one, since his body continually repairs.
>
> Vandal Savage (almost certainly)
>
> Resurrection Man (whose own series named him as taking the Immortal Man's place, which goes well with the concept that Meltzer is showing us.)
>
> Deathstroke, who is immortal from a US Government created serum.
>
> The Ravager, who, according to Johns, has been treated with the same serum.
>
> Damien Darkh, who was also exposed to the same serum via blood transfusion.
>
> Metamorpho (who can't die without Ra specifically removing his power, just like with Element Girl. It's generally immortal by the same idea that Ivo is, so...)
>
> The Forever Man, from Warlord #79 fits all the criteria we've set, but may not count, since he's not on the Earthly plane anymore. He became immortal on Earth though, so maybe he does count.
>
> Miss America (who Freedom Fighters recently revealed doesn't age and never had. She still may not be immortal though, so she's a maybe.)
>
> Davy Tenzer, an immortal boy who met Green Arrow and Black Canary in ACTION #450-452.
>
> General Immortus, who finally found immortality via serum in his last bout with the Doom Patrol.
>
> I suspect the Phantom Stranger's knowledge of the 13 may have been intended as a clue that he's a member.
>
> That's 13. Any other suggestions?
>
> Oh, former members might include Element Girl and the Immortal Man.
>
>
> TJB

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TJ Burns





> > My guess is that the immortals don't include those who reincarnate automatically, or have immortality through cloning, or a device. Rather, it only includes those who are immortal and unkillable through a property that they themselves have granted to them intrensically. This eliminates beings like Hawkman, Swamp Thing, the Green Lantern Adam, Ras Al Ghul (whose Lazarus-inspired immortality doesn't count since it requires continues use of the Pit), and a few others. For purposes of winnowing the list further, I'm also going to cut out mystical beings like Uncle Sam, who are not human.
> >
>
> Problem is that there much more than 13 immortals running around.

Not so much, apparently... we seem to be having genuine trouble thinking of 13 that aren't either cases of rebirth or "from spell or totem".

> Problem is, aside from being an android and thus not really human before his transformation, the Red Tornado is also an elemental same as Swamp Thing, so he should be excluded.

Ah, but apparently Reddy's always in the same body, which Swampy isn't, which makes the rules fit.

> > Vandal Savage (almost certainly)
>
> Has to constantly repair his body, by using transplants from his decendants. Doesn't come across as that immortal.

Honestly, Savage's rules seem to change with the tides. That whole idea was a mid-90s add-on, and Savage may be free from it after eating his clone in JSA Classified anyway, so...

> > Resurrection Man (whose own series named him as taking the Immortal Man's place, which goes well with the concept that Meltzer is showing us.)
> >
>
> Makes kinda sense.
>
>
> > Deathstroke, who is immortal from a US Government created serum.
> >
>
> Actually it was Chesire boosting the effects of his healfactor, which made him immortal.

Something I'm prone to forget. \:\)

> > The Ravager, who, according to Johns, has been treated with the same serum.
> >
>
> Even if that is true(the original serum was stated to be destroyed/lost), she didn't get an enhancement like her Daddy. Or was she given a bloodtransfusion as well?

It all happened off panel, so who knows? I'd actually remove her from my final list, since I'd forgot that her eye didn't regrow and it wasn't cut off until after her serum exposure.

> > Damien Darkh, who was also exposed to the same serum via blood transfusion.
> >
>
> But Deathstroke's wife Addie got the same deal and still died.
> The question remains, if that is the same kind of immortality.

Ahh, but Addie WANTED to die and it wasn't until after she did that Damien got his immortality. That fits with Meltzer's design.

> > Metamorpho (who can't die without Ra specifically removing his power, just like with Element Girl. It's generally immortal by the same idea that Ivo is, so...)
> >
>
> Element Girl died and so did another metamorph. Death said, that she and Rex had witnessed his destruction, which goes against them being truly immortal.

The issue itself said that the only way to kill them is to remove their power by Ra. That rejection kind of fits with the theme Meltzer's sticking with. That said, the method came from the Orb of Ra, so it might not work technically for Meltzer's idea since that'd probably count as a "totem".

> > General Immortus, who finally found immortality via serum in his last bout with the Doom Patrol.
> >
> > I suspect the Phantom Stranger's knowledge of the 13 may have been intended as a clue that he's a member.
> >
>
> Except he is a mystic being. Hinted to be a fallen angel.

Or a man on a mission from God. Or the DC equivalent of Galactus. All I'm saying is with him, we've got options. \:\) Personally, I HATE the idea of tying the Stranger into anything like this, or confirming his orgin in any way, so he was honestly just a last minute addtion to make 13 for me... and I'm terrified that's exactly what Meltzer WAS hinting at, which is a really bad idea.

Baron Winters is another fairly good option, but it's been implied his house is keeping him alive, so that's a totem. Pariah would be a good choice if he hadn't died in IC. I wonder if Hank Henshaw's one... or Doomsday.

> Maybe we should be less restrict and do include mystic beings.

Maybe, but other than the Stranger, who at least believes he can die, and Uncle Sam, who we know can be destroyed if America is, who have I ignored? They can't be immortal via spell or device by the issue's criteria, so who's left?


TJB


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Beowulf




>
> > > My guess is that the immortals don't include those who reincarnate automatically, or have immortality through cloning, or a device. Rather, it only includes those who are immortal and unkillable through a property that they themselves have granted to them intrensically. This eliminates beings like Hawkman, Swamp Thing, the Green Lantern Adam, Ras Al Ghul (whose Lazarus-inspired immortality doesn't count since it requires continues use of the Pit), and a few others. For purposes of winnowing the list further, I'm also going to cut out mystical beings like Uncle Sam, who are not human.
> > >
> >
> > Problem is that there much more than 13 immortals running around.
>
> Not so much, apparently... we seem to be having genuine trouble thinking of 13 that aren't either cases of rebirth or "from spell or totem".
>
> > Problem is, aside from being an android and thus not really human before his transformation, the Red Tornado is also an elemental same as Swamp Thing, so he should be excluded.
>
> Ah, but apparently Reddy's always in the same body, which Swampy isn't, which makes the rules fit.
>

That isn't his original body anymore. But a shell recreated by Firestorm and destroyed again during IC and 52. But okay, he doesn't switch his shell as otften as Swampy. Still as air-elemental, he should be excluded. Same as Solomon Grundy, who is also a failed elemental.

> > > Vandal Savage (almost certainly)
> >
> > Has to constantly repair his body, by using transplants from his decendants. Doesn't come across as that immortal.
>
> Honestly, Savage's rules seem to change with the tides. That whole idea was a mid-90s add-on, and Savage may be free from it after eating his clone in JSA Classified anyway, so...
>
> > > Resurrection Man (whose own series named him as taking the Immortal Man's place, which goes well with the concept that Meltzer is showing us.)
> > >
> >
> > Makes kinda sense.
> >
> >
> > > Deathstroke, who is immortal from a US Government created serum.
> > >
> >
> > Actually it was Chesire boosting the effects of his healfactor, which made him immortal.
>
> Something I'm prone to forget. \:\)
>
> > > The Ravager, who, according to Johns, has been treated with the same serum.
> > >
> >
> > Even if that is true(the original serum was stated to be destroyed/lost), she didn't get an enhancement like her Daddy. Or was she given a bloodtransfusion as well?
>
> It all happened off panel, so who knows? I'd actually remove her from my final list, since I'd forgot that her eye didn't regrow and it wasn't cut off until after her serum exposure.
>
> > > Damien Darkh, who was also exposed to the same serum via blood transfusion.
> > >
> >
> > But Deathstroke's wife Addie got the same deal and still died.
> > The question remains, if that is the same kind of immortality.
>
> Ahh, but Addie WANTED to die and it wasn't until after she did that Damien got his immortality. That fits with Meltzer's design.
>
> > > Metamorpho (who can't die without Ra specifically removing his power, just like with Element Girl. It's generally immortal by the same idea that Ivo is, so...)
> > >
> >
> > Element Girl died and so did another metamorph. Death said, that she and Rex had witnessed his destruction, which goes against them being truly immortal.
>
> The issue itself said that the only way to kill them is to remove their power by Ra. That rejection kind of fits with the theme Meltzer's sticking with. That said, the method came from the Orb of Ra, so it might not work technically for Meltzer's idea since that'd probably count as a "totem".
>
> > > General Immortus, who finally found immortality via serum in his last bout with the Doom Patrol.
> > >
> > > I suspect the Phantom Stranger's knowledge of the 13 may have been intended as a clue that he's a member.
> > >
> >
> > Except he is a mystic being. Hinted to be a fallen angel.
>
> Or a man on a mission from God. Or the DC equivalent of Galactus. All I'm saying is with him, we've got options. \:\) Personally, I HATE the idea of tying the Stranger into anything like this, or confirming his orgin in any way, so he was honestly just a last minute addtion to make 13 for me... and I'm terrified that's exactly what Meltzer WAS hinting at, which is a really bad idea.
>
> Baron Winters is another fairly good option, but it's been implied his house is keeping him alive, so that's a totem. Pariah would be a good choice if he hadn't died in IC. I wonder if Hank Henshaw's one... or Doomsday.
>
> > Maybe we should be less restrict and do include mystic beings.
>
> Maybe, but other than the Stranger, who at least believes he can die, and Uncle Sam, who we know can be destroyed if America is, who have I ignored? They can't be immortal via spell or device by the issue's criteria, so who's left?
>
>
> TJB

Madame Xanadu. Was her immortality ever explained? Don't think so.


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emerickman




> Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
>
> thanks,
> boham

His spirit lives on and on -- unless having the exact same body IS the very definition of being an Immortal, then never mind.

Hope Phantom Stranger is 'posing' as part of that group of 13, at worst. His origins should maintain the mysterious higher purpose and unclear origins as that old ish of DC origins showed (4 versions).

What is the status of DC's Dracula or is he called I, Vampire?

If Time Trapper has 'human' origins, again, in the new restructured DCU, maybe he was alive even back then - which is now?

Hope it's just a clique of DC established villains misusing the term immortal as part of their 'team' name...


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Jim Johnson




> > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
> >
> > > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
> My guess is that the immortals don't include those who reincarnate automatically, or have immortality through cloning, or a device. Rather, it only includes those who are immortal and unkillable through a property that they themselves have granted to them intrensically. This eliminates beings like Hawkman, Swamp Thing, the Green Lantern Adam, Ras Al Ghul (whose Lazarus-inspired immortality doesn't count since it requires continues use of the Pit), and a few others. For purposes of winnowing the list further, I'm also going to cut out mystical beings like Uncle Sam, who are not human.
>
> As such, we're left with knowing about the following potentials:
>
> Professor Ivo (confirmed)
>
> The Phantom Stranger's comments seem to imply that Red Tornado was one, since his body continually repairs.
>
> Vandal Savage (almost certainly)
>
> Resurrection Man (whose own series named him as taking the Immortal Man's place, which goes well with the concept that Meltzer is showing us.)
>
> Deathstroke, who is immortal from a US Government created serum.
>
> The Ravager, who, according to Johns, has been treated with the same serum.
>
> Damien Darkh, who was also exposed to the same serum via blood transfusion.
>
> Metamorpho (who can't die without Ra specifically removing his power, just like with Element Girl. It's generally immortal by the same idea that Ivo is, so...)
>
> The Forever Man, from Warlord #79 fits all the criteria we've set, but may not count, since he's not on the Earthly plane anymore. He became immortal on Earth though, so maybe he does count.
>
> Miss America (who Freedom Fighters recently revealed doesn't age and never had. She still may not be immortal though, so she's a maybe.)
>
> Davy Tenzer, an immortal boy who met Green Arrow and Black Canary in ACTION #450-452.
>
> General Immortus, who finally found immortality via serum in his last bout with the Doom Patrol.
>
> I suspect the Phantom Stranger's knowledge of the 13 may have been intended as a clue that he's a member.
>
> That's 13. Any other suggestions?
>
> Oh, former members might include Element Girl and the Immortal Man.
>
>
> TJB

Wasn't Plastic Man broken into tiny pieces and took thousands of years to get all of his pieces back together in some type of Arion time travel saga? Sounds pretty immortal to me, not that I think he is one of the 13.
Jim Johnson


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kje




> > > Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
> >
> > Solomon Grundy. I was a bit confused regarding the current issue, but that's pretty much all I got from it.
> >
> No, the whole point of the story is that Solomon Grundy wants to take Ivo's place as one of the 13 immortals. (Well, not Ivo specifically, but Ivo is volunteering.)
>
> I don't think Grundy would currently be considered an immortal because he's more or less undead, he keeps getting "killed" and he regenerates each time with a slightly different personality. He wants to become immortal in his current form so he can keep his current level of intelligence.

*****

This understanding of immortality in terms of the "JLA 13" would of course eliminate The Immortal Man/Immortal Girl/Resurrection Man as well as Multi-Man from consideration.




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TJ Burns





> > Ah, but apparently Reddy's always in the same body, which Swampy isn't, which makes the rules fit.
> >
>
> That isn't his original body anymore. But a shell recreated by Firestorm and destroyed again during IC and 52. But okay, he doesn't switch his shell as otften as Swampy. Still as air-elemental, he should be excluded. Same as Solomon Grundy, who is also a failed elemental.

As of the opening of this arc, the retcon wagon's struck. Meltzer has Batman make a huge point that the Tornado's body always repairs itself and his soul returns to the body. So apparently, we're left with Firestorm having helped the vaporized origninal body reconstruct itself in post-IC continuity back during Ostrander's run. We can't exclude Reddy... he's actually the only one other than Ivo we've had confirmed in the story arc!

> Madame Xanadu. Was her immortality ever explained? Don't think so.

Madame Xanadu's immortal? When did that happen? I've never seen a reference to her as immortal before, although I admit she's been off my radar since the mid 90s.


TJB


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TJ Burns





> His spirit lives on and on -- unless having the exact same body IS the very definition of being an Immortal, then never mind.

I'd assume Deadman can't count, or any other ghost for that matter. Otherwise, we'd be swimming in immortals. \:\)

> Hope Phantom Stranger is 'posing' as part of that group of 13, at worst. His origins should maintain the mysterious higher purpose and unclear origins as that old ish of DC origins showed (4 versions).

Agreed.

> What is the status of DC's Dracula or is he called I, Vampire?

Andrew Bennett was alive as of the first issue of Day of Vengeance, since we saw him at the Oblivion Bar mentioning how the Spectre's rampage had destroyed a pacifistic vampire community. Which, actually, is interesting since he was dead last time we'd saw him before that.

> If Time Trapper has 'human' origins, again, in the new restructured DCU, maybe he was alive even back then - which is now?

Have we seen a Time Trapper since Zero Hour?

> Hope it's just a clique of DC established villains misusing the term immortal as part of their 'team' name...

I hope not, actually... it's a nice enough idea, and it could be spun off into a Highlander-style concept. \:\)


TJB


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FLuX




> Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.
>
>
> thanks,
> boham


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TJ Burns





... but we know Meltzer does like him from his Green Arrow run, so he may intend for him to be one.


TJB


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Omar Karindu




>
> > > Ah, but apparently Reddy's always in the same body, which Swampy isn't, which makes the rules fit.
> > >
> >
> > That isn't his original body anymore. But a shell recreated by Firestorm and destroyed again during IC and 52. But okay, he doesn't switch his shell as otften as Swampy. Still as air-elemental, he should be excluded. Same as Solomon Grundy, who is also a failed elemental.
>
> As of the opening of this arc, the retcon wagon's struck. Meltzer has Batman make a huge point that the Tornado's body always repairs itself and his soul returns to the body. So apparently, we're left with Firestorm having helped the vaporized origninal body reconstruct itself in post-IC continuity back during Ostrander's run. We can't exclude Reddy... he's actually the only one other than Ivo we've had confirmed in the story arc!

If Ivo and his serum count, then surely General Immortus would as well.

Is anyone here also reminded of that Byrne Wonder Woman arc in which Morgaine Le Fay gathered the DCU's immortals as part of a scheme?

> > Madame Xanadu. Was her immortality ever explained? Don't think so.
>
> Madame Xanadu's immortal? When did that happen? I've never seen a reference to her as immortal before, although I admit she's been off my radar since the mid 90s.
>
>
> TJB

Doug Moench's Spectre series revealed that she had once cheated Death at cards, thereby winning immortality. John Ostrander ran with that idea, and it was a central plot point in the Underworld Unleashed issues of his Spectre title.

- Omar Karindu

"Brubaker and Phillips' CRIMINAL #1...is really ****ing good. I mean, REALLY ****ing good." -- Warren Ellis

"Brilliant. Another winner. Ed's at the top of his game and Sean's inventing new games to be on top of...I can't wait for more." -- Kurt Busiek

Read CRIMINAL by Brubaker and Phillips. Because it's that good.


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Beowulf




> >
> > > > Ah, but apparently Reddy's always in the same body, which Swampy isn't, which makes the rules fit.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That isn't his original body anymore. But a shell recreated by Firestorm and destroyed again during IC and 52. But okay, he doesn't switch his shell as otften as Swampy. Still as air-elemental, he should be excluded. Same as Solomon Grundy, who is also a failed elemental.
> >
> > As of the opening of this arc, the retcon wagon's struck. Meltzer has Batman make a huge point that the Tornado's body always repairs itself and his soul returns to the body. So apparently, we're left with Firestorm having helped the vaporized origninal body reconstruct itself in post-IC continuity back during Ostrander's run. We can't exclude Reddy... he's actually the only one other than Ivo we've had confirmed in the story arc!
>
> If Ivo and his serum count, then surely General Immortus would as well.
>
> Is anyone here also reminded of that Byrne Wonder Woman arc in which Morgaine Le Fay gathered the DCU's immortals as part of a scheme?
>
> > > Madame Xanadu. Was her immortality ever explained? Don't think so.
> >
> > Madame Xanadu's immortal? When did that happen? I've never seen a reference to her as immortal before, although I admit she's been off my radar since the mid 90s.
> >
> >
> > TJB
>
> Doug Moench's Spectre series revealed that she had once cheated Death at cards, thereby winning immortality. John Ostrander ran with that idea, and it was a central plot point in the Underworld Unleashed issues of his Spectre title.
>
> - Omar Karindu

Makes me wonder if her re-incarnated daughter is still around. She was suppossed to become her acolyte in magic.


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omike015




> > > I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please
>
> Doesn't he have a healing factor from his origin story?
>
> It wasn't his origin but it happened years later.
> Slade underwent a process to gain regeneration power, allowing him to survive any wound so long as his brain is intact (this power is limited, as Slade can not regenerate his lost eye since that injury happened before he gained his healing factor).
> ....
> Deathstroke also possesses a regenerative factor in his blood that enables him to heal from physical injury much faster than a normal person. This has also made him effectively immortal, enabling him to recover from fatal injuries.

>
> Scott





omike015
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Scott




> > > > I didn't know Deathstroke was immortal. Fill me in please
> >
> > Doesn't he have a healing factor from his origin story?
> >
> > It wasn't his origin but it happened years later.
> > Slade underwent a process to gain regeneration power, allowing him to survive any wound so long as his brain is intact (this power is limited, as Slade can not regenerate his lost eye since that injury happened before he gained his healing factor).
> > ....
> > Deathstroke also possesses a regenerative factor in his blood that enables him to heal from physical injury much faster than a normal person. This has also made him effectively immortal, enabling him to recover from fatal injuries.

> >
> > Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> omike015
> \:\-\|





Scott


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Icon




> Who are the other 12 immortals other than Ivo that he spoke of? I have no idea who the others are.

King of the Royal Flush Gang (The Joker seems to have tried killing him in Infinite Crisis, but I see no reason THAT should stick)


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