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aquaman




ever since the new series came out its always delayed. i mean what the hell is wrong with DC. Its not like they are building a rocket. its a freaken comic book!!


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Seyg-El




> ever since the new series came out its always delayed. i mean what the hell is wrong with DC. Its not like they are building a rocket. its a freaken comic book!!

Chill out. Delays aren't unusual for any comic company. And in case you missed it, the last two issues of Justice League came out in the same month...


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aquaman




> > ever since the new series came out its always delayed. i mean what the hell is wrong with DC. Its not like they are building a rocket. its a freaken comic book!!
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> Chill out. Delays aren't unusual for any comic company. And in case you missed it, the last two issues of Justice League came out in the same month..


yea but then we have to wait a month and half for another to come out. and i am chilled out!! lol i know comic book companies expect delays but DC seems to be having a ton lately.


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Gernot




> > ever since the new series came out its always delayed. i mean what the hell is wrong with DC. Its not like they are building a rocket. its a freaken comic book!!
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> Chill out. Delays aren't unusual for any comic company. And in case you missed it, the last two issues of Justice League came out in the same month...

I remember, back in the 1980's, when Jim Shooter ran Marvel, that a delayed book was VERY rare. I cannot recall the "Dreaded Deadline Doom" even cropping up during his tenure as EIC of Marvel.

Say what you will about the man, but he KNEW how to run the business, unlike many of these young kids today!

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Marvin and Wendy




> > > ever since the new series came out its always delayed. i mean what the hell is wrong with DC. Its not like they are building a rocket. its a freaken comic book!!
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> > Chill out. Delays aren't unusual for any comic company. And in case you missed it, the last two issues of Justice League came out in the same month..
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> yea but then we have to wait a month and half for another to come out. and i am chilled out!! lol i know comic book companies expect delays but DC seems to be having a ton lately.

There is no question that irregular production is becoming regular operation...


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Scott




> There is no question that irregular production is becoming regular operation...

There is no question that irregular production is sadly and unnecessarilly becoming regular operation...

Keith Giffen speaks on this: http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=102928

Scott


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Agent Provocateur




> I remember, back in the 1980's, when Jim Shooter ran Marvel, that a delayed book was VERY rare. I cannot recall the "Dreaded Deadline Doom" even cropping up during his tenure as EIC of Marvel.
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Shooter had a lot of work to do to overcome the rampant DDD of the 70's. It seemed like everytime a new shipment of "inspiration" arived in the creators town it was a good excuse for their book to be late.


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Scott




> I remember, back in the 1980's, when Jim Shooter ran Marvel, that a delayed book was VERY rare. I cannot recall the "Dreaded Deadline Doom" even cropping up during his tenure as EIC of Marvel.

Back then Shooter would put people like Al Milgom and Don Perlin on titles because they could meet their deadlines. This forced major talents to get their act together as they didn't want to be replaced by third-string talents. Plus if someone was late, there was always someone in the Bullpen waiting to pitch in. And Shooter had file cabinets full of filler stories that were used quite often. I think this was started before his tenure but he did continue it. In the 70s the answer for the DDD was throw in a reprint. In the 80s it was get someone else to draw the issue. Today it's just let the book be late for a month or two or eight.

Scott


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Zazu




> > I remember, back in the 1980's, when Jim Shooter ran Marvel, that a delayed book was VERY rare. I cannot recall the "Dreaded Deadline Doom" even cropping up during his tenure as EIC of Marvel.
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> Back then Shooter would put people like Al Milgom and Don Perlin on titles because they could meet their deadlines. This forced major talents to get their act together as they didn't want to be replaced by third-string talents. Plus if someone was late, there was always someone in the Bullpen waiting to pitch in. And Shooter had file cabinets full of filler stories that were used quite often. I think this was started before his tenure but he did continue it. In the 70s the answer for the DDD was throw in a reprint. In the 80s it was get someone else to draw the issue. Today it's just let the book be late for a month or two or eight.
>
Part of the problem now is nearly every story is a 6 parter that is destined to be a TPB. TPTB start publishing the story before it's actually finished. When "part 4" is late, they can't just throw in a filler issue and throw off the flow of the story. A lot of storylines back "in the day" were 2-3 parters, if not single, self-contained stories, and were easier to complete before the first part went to press (more or less).


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Scott




> Part of the problem now is...

...that today's writers and artists can't follow deadlines. Publishers should get rid of exclusive contracts and contracts in general. You don't turn in the work on time, you don't get paid. Then we'll see some output.

A simple solution for the publishers would be to turn the comics into bimonthlies. Fans are so used to monthlies that when something is late we get all worked up about it. Make 'em bimonthlies and that gives the creators some extra time to work with.

> nearly every story is a 6 parter that is destined to be a TPB.

That is a big problem. Solution: just print tpbs in sequential order not just one story arc. That way every issue gets collected not just "special" stories.

> When "part 4" is late, they can't just throw in a filler issue and throw off the flow of the story.

Why not? Aren't readers intelligent enough to follow along? If we can wait 2 months for Meltzer to finish a story and 8-10 months for Bendis to finish a story, while still reading other comics, what makes you think that the flow of the story would be thrown off whether there are fill-in issues or no issues?

Scott


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Zazu




> > Part of the problem now is...
>
> ...that today's writers and artists can't follow deadlines. Publishers should get rid of exclusive contracts and contracts in general. You don't turn in the work on time, you don't get paid. Then we'll see some output.
>
> A simple solution for the publishers would be to turn the comics into bimonthlies. Fans are so used to monthlies that when something is late we get all worked up about it. Make 'em bimonthlies and that gives the creators some extra time to work with.
>
> > nearly every story is a 6 parter that is destined to be a TPB.
>
> That is a big problem. Solution: just print tpbs in sequential order not just one story arc. That way every issue gets collected not just "special" stories.

The point of having writers do 6 issue arcs is so they can package a single storyline together without having to worry about continuity. They can package a story about the JLA vs. Darkseid without worrying about 2 issues of JLA vs. Despero in the middle. This is also why we don't see very many subplots running through books now, too. They are harder to package in TPB's. Look at some classic Avengers story lines; they usually had multiple layers to their stories with teams splitting off when necessary to handle the different plots (Kree/Skrull war, Mantis, Zodiac, Ultron/Vision, Kang, etc). There's almost no foreshadowing anymore. Geoff John's idea of foreshadowing is a one page teaser shot of what to expect in the next year. Yippee... *rhe*
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> > When "part 4" is late, they can't just throw in a filler issue and throw off the flow of the story.
>
> Why not? Aren't readers intelligent enough to follow along? If we can wait 2 months for Meltzer to finish a story and 8-10 months for Bendis to finish a story, while still reading other comics, what makes you think that the flow of the story would be thrown off whether there are fill-in issues or no issues?

It's not a matter of whether we are intelligent enough. Readers generally don't want to pick up issues 135-137 of one story and find out that 138-139 are fill ins so they have to wait until 140 to find out what happened. Look at the current WW arc (#1-5). It sucks that it is soooo delayed, but who wants to read the "Who Is Wonder Woman?" arc in issue 1,2, 4, 7, and 10, with fillers in between? How much impact would a classic JLA/JSA team-up have had if it was in issues 194-195 and 197? And speaking of the Avengers above, I remember during the Serpent Crown arc, they had 2 filler issues. Did I understand that they weren't part of the story? Of course, but I did think it was pretty annoying.

TPTB need to have the whole story written before releasing the first issue, or at least have the first 6 issues completely written if it's a longer story. If the writer is reliable enough, then TPTB can make exceptions to the rule, but generally they should accept nothing less that a standard 6 issue lead time.


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