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howlermouse




The one that started it all.
I'm amazed with all the love JLD has kept over the years. Yes...me included. I'm coming to terms with it believe me.I've held on to the books sice 1984. Geez.
I've went back recently and read a few comics here and there. While Steele will not be missed, I'm feeling bad for Vibe. He really didn't get a fair shot.In Justice League Annual 3 Green Arrow hits him. Come on....
Paco Ramone may have been one of those rare characters who took control of the writer and his part of the story. When that happens they ususally kill off the character. (i.e. Jason Todd)
Another thing I find curios is Gary Conway, the mastermind behind JLD ended up as a bigwig for "Law and Order."
So you'ld figure he wouldn't have sterotyped the character the way he did.

And Gypsy...running around the mean streets of Detroit barefoot.That says everything I feel about the character right there.

I did like Dale Gunn, resident groundskeeper/scientist/sharpshooter.
Kinda wonder where he is today.

Anyway here's an editorial from JLA Annual #2 and a pic from Jla Annual #3.


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Gernot




I never thought Steel got HIS due in the book! I always liked him and Vixen best of the "Fab 4" and wondered why they even HAD Gypsy and Vibe in the League!

I STILL feel getting rid of those two would've ADDED to the book! ;\)

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howlermouse




..the team just didn't click. Not on any level. I remember when Professor Ivo took a fw of them out my buddies at school did everything but high five.(Only 3 of us collected) Then they whipped out their X-Men books.


Ahhh..those crazy 80's. ;-p



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Rip Jagger




It was likely just timing, but I jumped off the JLofA ship at about the time of the great shift from the classic team to the Detroit team. So it wasn't until I returned to JLofAdom in the mid 90's that I went to back issue bins and filled in the story of the JLofA's most tragic line-up. I'll have to say that in the gleam of an historic view it was an interesting diversion, but it was all too easy to see that it wasn't anything that was going to last long. I liked Manhunter's increased role with the team and it was the best Aquaman stuff ever. That'll I'll give them credit for.

Vibe was hard to read and look at. I'm sensitive to his fans, but he was something of a trainwreck of a character, a trendy wannabe who was the Thunderbird of his day. This perhaps tells us what might've happened if they hadn't offed T-Bird in that famous X-comic. He'd just become Vibe. ;\-\)

I really liked Steel though, and I like that he's back today with the JSofA. Sorta'!

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Ed Love




I didn't mind the switch in the team or the new characters. I understood a little bit of what they were going for. The more soap operatic stories were successful and that meant you needed a smaller team and characters that weren't tied up in other books. Characters you could give private lives and focus on that. The new characters were different and brash compared to the old (though why they just didn't look torwards other characters they already had and honorary members already such as Black Lightning, the Kirby Sandman, Adam Strange, Metamorpho, Sargon, Captain Comet...)

What killed me for the book was I just couldn't and still can't get into Luke McDonell's artwork. They took too many risks for the one book: new lineup, half with new unproven characters and the other half characters not holding their own book, new writing style AND a new experimental art style. The book was doomed to failure.

What really proves to me that these characters are decent, it was the execution that was flawed: the Justice League Unlimited comic has actually made Vibe and Gypsy likeable characters without changing them all that much. Ignore the JLA Classified arc that only plays the characters up as losers other than Gypsy who gets some kinda uber secret abilities and nature.

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howlermouse





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> What killed me for the book was I just couldn't and still can't get into Luke McDonell's artwork. They took too many risks for the one book: new lineup, half with new unproven characters and the other half characters not holding their own book, new writing style AND a new experimental art style. The book was doomed to failure.

Oh yeah! I have never been able to stomach McDonell's work. I hung in with Suicide Squad for the first 15 issues but dropped it because of the artwork. The started having a guest artist do the covers and all I could think was why wasn't THAT GUY drawing the book.

On JLD he was just too dark and bland.


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howlermouse




> I liked Manhunter's increased role with the team and it was the best Aquaman stuff ever. That'll I'll give them credit for.
Aquaman was finally evolving as a character and getting Mera back was handled absolutely amazing. Someone finally expanded on Arthur and it keep me buying the book.
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> Vibe was hard to read and look at. I'm sensitive to his fans, but he was something of a trainwreck of a character, a trendy wannabe who was the Thunderbird of his day. This perhaps tells us what might've happened if they hadn't offed T-Bird in that famous X-comic. He'd just become Vibe. ;\-\)
Great call! In a nutshell even!
>
> I really liked Steel though, and I like that he's back today with the JSofA. Sorta'!
>
Johns and company are really gonna redeem the legacy of Steel. After what they did with Mr. America it's gonna be short of amazing I bet.


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Zazu




> > I really liked Steel though, and I like that he's back today with the JSofA. Sorta'!
> >
> Johns and company are really gonna redeem the legacy of Steel. After what they did with Mr. America it's gonna be short of amazing I bet.

You do realize that all Johns did was kill off Mr. America and all his relatives in one short issue, right?


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howlermouse




> > > I really liked Steel though, and I like that he's back today with the JSofA. Sorta'!
> > >
> > Johns and company are really gonna redeem the legacy of Steel. After what they did with Mr. America it's gonna be short of amazing I bet.
>
> You do realize that all Johns did was kill off Mr. America and all his relatives in one short issue, right?

Well yes, but...
In one short issue Johns made this a fleshed out character who you ended up caring (maybe not deeply but more than anyone has in 60 years and I read the Golden Age too)
about.
When he died in had an impact on the plot and other characters.
People were dying. This is serious danger for the JSA.


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Zazu




> > > > I really liked Steel though, and I like that he's back today with the JSofA. Sorta'!
> > > >
> > > Johns and company are really gonna redeem the legacy of Steel. After what they did with Mr. America it's gonna be short of amazing I bet.
> >
> > You do realize that all Johns did was kill off Mr. America and all his relatives in one short issue, right?
>
> Well yes, but...
> In one short issue Johns made this a fleshed out character who you ended up caring (maybe not deeply but more than anyone has in 60 years and I read the Golden Age too)
> about.
> When he died in had an impact on the plot and other characters.
> People were dying. This is serious danger for the JSA.

ok, just checking. haha ;-p


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Scott




Didn't Johns introduce and kill off Mr. America II in the first couple of issues of JSA? I don't think he did anything with the Golden Age Mr. America.

Scott


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howlermouse




> Didn't Johns introduce and kill off Mr. America II in the first couple of issues of JSA? I don't think he did anything with the Golden Age Mr. America.
>
The former FBI agent was carrying on the legacy. Didn't mean to imply he was the original.My bad.


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