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I'm curious, what is everyone's thoughts on the Meltzer run as a whole. I realize that the final issue may change some opinions but looking back on #0-11, what are everyone's thoughts in retrospect?

My take: I like Meltzer. His Green Arrow story was cool and Identity Crisis is one of my favorite DCU stories. I liked how #0 looked at the past and future of the league (as well as had a list of insanely talented artists, many who had runs on JLA, working on the issue).

As for The Tornado's Path, I thought the story did move a bit slow. Yet as a JLA fan, I really thought Meltzer understood the characters in terms of dialogue and characterization (Red Arrow calling Hawkgirl a "pretty bird" ala Green Arrow talking to Black Canary). Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman taking so long to come up with a line-up? That bugged me. The art by Ed Benes took some getting used to. He drawed those big muscular characters but after a while his art really grew on me. He is like a mix between Jim Lee and Joe Mad. The epilogue issue in #7 was pretty nice and seemed to tough on a lot of the built up past and present JLA history.

The Lightning Saga was a miss for me like The Tornado's Path. It just didn't feel coherent (not in terms of continuity, more in terms of storytelling) enough for a crossover IMO. Johns had a good handle on everything in his issues but the JLA segments just felt slow and almost like a love letter to the past (dare I say "bad fan fiction?"). At least both Meltzer and Johns had the sense to make the crossover bigger than JLA/JSA and include the LOSH.

#11 was brilliant. Gene Ha was great and the story was one of those that I'll probably remember.

Overall, it wasn't what I thought it would be. It moved slow, and dwelled on the past too much. As someone who tends to be very analytical about his comics and notice the creative teams more then the fictional characters, I felt like the run could've been better. Don't get me wrong, it had it's upsides but #1-10 had an awful lot more cons than pros. Once again, I'm really just looking at the big picture. Since #12 is somewhat standalone like #11 was, I can see myself enjoying the final issue.

If I had to give a final statement: not Meltzer's best work.


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Fred




I thought Identity Crisis was one of the most exciting and best minis in the last decade so I probably bought Justice LEague by Meltzer with expectations way too high. I mean, I haven't really bought or enjoyed the League since a year or two into the Giffen era so what was I thinking? The eleven issues so far have told too little story and have had the characters sometimes inexplicably close friends This is the team of Big Guns that are supposed to handle the worst of the worst and they've done squat for aknost a year now. McDuffie can't start soon enough. At least with his recent work placeholding over at Fantastic Four we've seen a writer that knows the right galance of character interaction and the necessary super-hero action.

And the art? I'm not that big of a Benes fan and emjoyed the fill ins more than the regular issues. Benes' fascination with drawing the female butt will not be missed by me and Wonder Woman in a thong is not my idea of a good portrayal of the character.

It's a shame too. I loved the Satellite League too and was looking forward to Red Tornado's return to prominence. Now I wish he'd been left alone. Good-bye, Mister Meltzer. I look forward to your next mini but definitely not on an ongoing.


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BlakGard




> I'm curious, what is everyone's thoughts on the Meltzer run as a
> whole. I realize that the final issue may change some opinions but
> looking back on #0-11, what are everyone's thoughts in retrospect?

I came into it not really liking Meltzer (as a writer, not as a person), but I was greatly surprised. I liked every issue, especially #11.
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Smithville Thunderbolt




> I'm curious, what is everyone's thoughts on the Meltzer run as a whole. I realize that the final issue may change some opinions but looking back on #0-11, what are everyone's thoughts in retrospect?

The guy obviously knows characterization and he has a great knowledge of DC's history and characters, and the way he used these skills was fun to see at times. The fight scene with Amazo was cool. As for the negatives, I usually don't have a problem with slowness. People complain about decompression on a series like "Ultimate Spider-Man," but the difference is that title has had the same writer for years and it features one protagonist. When doing a team book for one year, I would have liked to see a lot faster pace. I don't feel like he ever got this team established, making me think, like Fred below, that he would have been better suited to a mini-series.


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MattS80




Yeah. I liked his GA run, and I like all of his posts that I read over on his Website. IC also had some really good stuff in it I thought. It might be the most daring mainstream DC story ever told. I don't really buy comics these days because there so expensive, but I did buy most of his issues. I thought it was too rooted for hardcore fans. I'm getting into the League history, and most of it seems cool, BUT I felt like Meltzer was just writing for long-term fans. I also wasn't that crazy about his take on Batman, he seemed a little to nice, I dunno, for my tastes. And I didn't like everyone always calling each other by there first name, seems kind of strange Power Girl would know Bruce is Batman, when did that happen? I do think he did a really good job with the Red Tornado though, and Black Lightning is cool. I guess I expected more. More mythos, more grand action, more danger. I don't know. It wasn't by any means bad or terrible though.


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Ed Love




> I'm curious, what is everyone's thoughts on the Meltzer run as a whole. I realize that the final issue may change some opinions but looking back on #0-11, what are everyone's thoughts in retrospect?
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Ultimately disappointing.

1) The first arc takes too long to put the team into place, the 0 issue is completely wasted.
2) He sets all this stuff up without exploring any of it. Anybody can write that much, it's the journey that counts. When all is said and done, he hasn't delivered anything. What's the deal with Geo Force's powers? Is he on the team or not? What's with him meeting Deathstroke? What's the deal with Vixen's powers? What's this with Black Lightning getting intel from various villains and he's still working for Luthor? Apparently they are still investigating the Tridents? What happened to Karate Kid? The whole end to the Lightning Saga which doesn't explain anything? Relationship between Roy & Kendra? The discussion between Arthur & J'Onn, um does he not know the current Aquaman isn't the one from the League? The fallout from the Red Tornado arc, is the Red Tornado no longer the Tornado champion or does he no longer have those memories? Isn't Felix Faust gone? (As you can see, even his final issue is all about setting things up, no actual story there). And he wishes he had added Cyborg to the roster? He hadn't done anything with the roster he had.

Glad to see he's gone, frankly.

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