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Matt




Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.


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Superman's Pal




> Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.

I thought Connor's code name was Green Arrow.





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Seyg-El




> > Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.
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> I thought Connor's code name was Green Arrow.


Yep, it is...


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J.H.






Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.

Actually it's Brad Meltzer that's calling Roy the Red Arrow. Roy should still be Arsenal. "Red Arrow" lacks imagination. Of course there's a lot of that in DCU lately. Having him just use the bow and arrows is a waste. Over the last few years Winick expanded Roy's character a lot in the Outsiders. This Red Arrow moniker sets the character back decades. Roy moved out of Ollie's shadow a long time ago. Arsenal utilized everything at his disposal as a weapon. In a fight only Batman should be more dangerous. But Meltzer's Roy Harper seems like he gave up the Speedy identity last week. But this doesn't surprise me. Meltzer usually throws away a character's history to suit his own taste. Just look at the awful Identity Crisis. I'm glad he's off the JLA.


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jedispyder




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> Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.
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> Actually it's Brad Meltzer that's calling Roy the Red Arrow. Roy should still be Arsenal. "Red Arrow" lacks imagination. Of course there's a lot of that in DCU lately. Having him just use the bow and arrows is a waste. Over the last few years Winick expanded Roy's character a lot in the Outsiders. This Red Arrow moniker sets the character back decades. Roy moved out of Ollie's shadow a long time ago. Arsenal utilized everything at his disposal as a weapon. In a fight only Batman should be more dangerous. But Meltzer's Roy Harper seems like he gave up the Speedy identity last week. But this doesn't surprise me. Meltzer usually throws away a character's history to suit his own taste. Just look at the awful Identity Crisis. I'm glad he's off the JLA.

I'm feeling that the only reason Roy is "Red Arrow" is that Metzler liked Kingdome Come, saw stuff in JSA that resembled KC, and decided to "help out".

Me personally? I don't mind the name. I LOVED the name Arsenal, but after awhile you get used to it. As long as he doesn't go by Speedy I'm fine...


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Matt




> > > Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.
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> > I thought Connor's code name was Green Arrow.
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> Yep, it is...

Are you hinting at something?


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Zazu




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> Since Roy is calling himself Red Arrow now, who should use his old moniker "Arsenal"? I was thinking he could give it to Conner Hawke, since he's currently sans code-name.
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> Actually it's Brad Meltzer that's calling Roy the Red Arrow. Roy should still be Arsenal. "Red Arrow" lacks imagination. Of course there's a lot of that in DCU lately. Having him just use the bow and arrows is a waste. Over the last few years Winick expanded Roy's character a lot in the Outsiders. This Red Arrow moniker sets the character back decades. Roy moved out of Ollie's shadow a long time ago. Arsenal utilized everything at his disposal as a weapon. In a fight only Batman should be more dangerous. But Meltzer's Roy Harper seems like he gave up the Speedy identity last week. But this doesn't surprise me. Meltzer usually throws away a character's history to suit his own taste. Just look at the awful Identity Crisis. I'm glad he's off the JLA.

It's the same with Geoff Johns, so I'm sure plenty of people will drool with delight that Roy is using the Red Arrow alias. GJ has washed away many characters' development for the sake of giving things a "Silver Age" feeling.


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little kon-el




...it was Dan Jurgens that brought Roy back from the "really really bad boomerang-and-purple-tights-like-Shaft-from-Youngblood" look and gave him the "red arrow" look in his Teen Titans book. That was inspired by the look in Kingdom Come. He didn't quite feel comfortable in the costume, and set it aside for a while. He started wearing a combination-type costume during his Arsenal Miniseries and starting adopting his bows and arrows again during the Devin Grayson's run of The New Titans. When he became part of the outsiders, he went from Brown to a Red color scheme. When he finally became Red Arrow, it was a costume that was very similar to the Dan Jurgen's Kingdom Come inspired Red Arrow costume.

This isn't a retcon. This has been coming for a while...long before Brad Metlzer. If you want to blame someone, blame Mark Waid and Alex Ross for putting the idea of "Red Arrow" into the head of all the writers that came after them.

- l.k.


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Smithville Thunderbolt




> This isn't a retcon. This has been coming for a while...long before Brad Metlzer. If you want to blame someone, blame Mark Waid and Alex Ross for putting the idea of "Red Arrow" into the head of all the writers that came after them.

And even if it came out of the blue with Meltzer, it still technically wouldn't be a retcon.


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Zazu




> > This isn't a retcon. This has been coming for a while...long before Brad Metlzer. If you want to blame someone, blame Mark Waid and Alex Ross for putting the idea of "Red Arrow" into the head of all the writers that came after them.
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> And even if it came out of the blue with Meltzer, it still technically wouldn't be a retcon.

Sorry, retcon was a bad choice of words in this case. While GJ uses retcons fairly often, he also ignores any development a character has been through in order to give a Silver/Bronze Age feeling. Look at Cyborg and Impluse/Kid Flash for recent examples. I'm not saying that the early changes to Cyborg were good, but they did facilitate some interesting changes and freed him from the angst that was becoming a dead horse. GJ made him look like his 1980's debut and brought back the "I'm a machine" woe-is-me attitude that he workeed through ages ago. Bart became Kid Flash for no other reason than it looked good to have a Kid Flash on the cover of the Teen Titans again. Just like Bart, Roy was "in danger" of becoming his own character and they couldn't have that happen. Instead, Roy ignores his mastery of weapons to stick with a bow-n-arrow routine and starts dating a JLA "pretty bird." Hey Meltzer! Been there, done that!


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spiderprince




> Actually it's Brad Meltzer that's calling Roy the Red Arrow. Roy should still be Arsenal. "Red Arrow" lacks imagination. Of course there's a lot of that in DCU lately. Having him just use the bow and arrows is a waste. Over the last few years Winick expanded Roy's character a lot in the Outsiders. This Red Arrow moniker sets the character back decades. Roy moved out of Ollie's shadow a long time ago. Arsenal utilized everything at his disposal as a weapon. In a fight only Batman should be more dangerous. But Meltzer's Roy Harper seems like he gave up the Speedy identity last week. But this doesn't surprise me. Meltzer usually throws away a character's history to suit his own taste. Just look at the awful Identity Crisis. I'm glad he's off the JLA.

Legacy heroes are a big thing at DC and I'm sure they wanted to continue something like that with Roy. Have him stick to his roots, yet become his own man in the process. Didn't you remember the talk with Hal and Ollie about how Roy is so good. He's much more than just arrows and soon he'll surpass Ollie is what was said. Its really just a change of names thats taken place, and personally I like it more than Arsenal.


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