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Gernot




Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?

Should ANY writer be able to come up with a brand-new character with the idea of having him/her join the League?

I feel the League should only have those who've proven themselves over the years, such as the heroes up until the Satellite Era had done. I always felt the Detroit League was a mistake, letting several unknowns join the League.

The League CAN be the size of an army, but only a limited number should be written into a case/storyline with any writer. I'd like the number of active Leagers limited to 12-15 members, at MOST. If a hero dies, let his/her slot remain open, unless a legacy character should come forward (Flash, Green Lantern, etc.)

I don't really want to see Arsenal in the League (Green Arrow's still alive!), nor do I want to see the original heroes retired so new blood can take their place(s).

I want the League to be formed of the "gods" of the DC Universe. If the writer wants to introduce a new character in the book, fine! LET the new character be introduced, then written OUT of the book when that particular story is over. They can come back once every three years or so. Any new hero can be made into an Honorary Member, but let standing Honoraries serve before said new hero comes back.

Heroes I DON'T want in the League:

Vixen
Arsenal
Geo-Force
Black Lightning (honorary membership is okay)
Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)

Thoughts?

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I agree with you that membership in the Justice League of America should be reserved for heroes that have proven themselves.

I really can't stand when a writer brings in some mort character that he created and have them join the premiere super hero team. (I use Triathlon of the Avengers as a prime example)

I don't mind legacy characters (Wally West being the best one of course) I didn't mind Conner as Green Arrow when Ollie was dead. But yeah, I can't see Roy as Red Arrow when there is still the Green Arrow!

But I don't mind heroes graduating to the JLA either.

Instead of Red Arrow, I wouldn't have minded seeing Cyborg as a member.

I always hold the Satellite era JLA as the gold standard.

Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Martian Manhunter
Aquaman
Green Lantern
Flash
Green Arrow
Atom
Hawkman
Black Canary
Elongated Man
Red Tornado
Zatanna
Firestorm

Then you can add any or all of these members on a rotating basis

Captain Atom
Black Lightning
Power Girl
Blue Beetle
Plastic Man
Steel
Cyborg

One of the problems is that after you get past the main membership of the satellite era JLA (and even including a couple of em..)DC's cast of characters take a big drop in the heavy hitter area.







> Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
>
> Should ANY writer be able to come up with a brand-new character with the idea of having him/her join the League?
>
> I feel the League should only have those who've proven themselves over the years, such as the heroes up until the Satellite Era had done. I always felt the Detroit League was a mistake, letting several unknowns join the League.
>
> The League CAN be the size of an army, but only a limited number should be written into a case/storyline with any writer. I'd like the number of active Leagers limited to 12-15 members, at MOST. If a hero dies, let his/her slot remain open, unless a legacy character should come forward (Flash, Green Lantern, etc.)
>
> I don't really want to see Arsenal in the League (Green Arrow's still alive!), nor do I want to see the original heroes retired so new blood can take their place(s).
>
> I want the League to be formed of the "gods" of the DC Universe. If the writer wants to introduce a new character in the book, fine! LET the new character be introduced, then written OUT of the book when that particular story is over. They can come back once every three years or so. Any new hero can be made into an Honorary Member, but let standing Honoraries serve before said new hero comes back.
>
> Heroes I DON'T want in the League:
>
> Vixen
> Arsenal
> Geo-Force
> Black Lightning (honorary membership is okay)
> Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Gernot...
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Gernot




For some reason, Blue Beetle leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. He was pretty much always a clown back in the JLI days, so that must be it. \:\)

Cyborg, too, will always be associated in my mind with the Titans. It's kind'a hard to shake that out.

In addition to your impressive membership list, though, I'd add the following:

Metamorpho
Captain Comet
Hawkwoman
Phantom Stranger

I'd like to see someone in a solo story (as I saw Aquaman in an Adventures Comics years ago) refer to themselves as Justice Leaguers as if it MEANT something! I'd like to see two of the "lesser-lights" teaming with Green Lantern or Flash in their own books, making the case an unofficial JLA story. THAT sort'a thing... \:\)

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> I agree with you that membership in the Justice League of America should be reserved for heroes that have proven themselves.
>
> I really can't stand when a writer brings in some mort character that he created and have them join the premiere super hero team. (I use Triathlon of the Avengers as a prime example)
>
> I don't mind legacy characters (Wally West being the best one of course) I didn't mind Conner as Green Arrow when Ollie was dead. But yeah, I can't see Roy as Red Arrow when there is still the Green Arrow!
>
> But I don't mind heroes graduating to the JLA either.
>
> Instead of Red Arrow, I wouldn't have minded seeing Cyborg as a member.
>
> I always hold the Satellite era JLA as the gold standard.
>
> Superman
> Wonder Woman
> Batman
> Martian Manhunter
> Aquaman
> Green Lantern
> Flash
> Green Arrow
> Atom
> Hawkman
> Black Canary
> Elongated Man
> Red Tornado
> Zatanna
> Firestorm
>
> Then you can add any or all of these members on a rotating basis
>
> Captain Atom
> Black Lightning
> Power Girl
> Blue Beetle
> Plastic Man
> Steel
> Cyborg
>
> One of the problems is that after you get past the main membership of the satellite era JLA (and even including a couple of em..)DC's cast of characters take a big drop in the heavy hitter area.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
> >
> > Should ANY writer be able to come up with a brand-new character with the idea of having him/her join the League?
> >
> > I feel the League should only have those who've proven themselves over the years, such as the heroes up until the Satellite Era had done. I always felt the Detroit League was a mistake, letting several unknowns join the League.
> >
> > The League CAN be the size of an army, but only a limited number should be written into a case/storyline with any writer. I'd like the number of active Leagers limited to 12-15 members, at MOST. If a hero dies, let his/her slot remain open, unless a legacy character should come forward (Flash, Green Lantern, etc.)
> >
> > I don't really want to see Arsenal in the League (Green Arrow's still alive!), nor do I want to see the original heroes retired so new blood can take their place(s).
> >
> > I want the League to be formed of the "gods" of the DC Universe. If the writer wants to introduce a new character in the book, fine! LET the new character be introduced, then written OUT of the book when that particular story is over. They can come back once every three years or so. Any new hero can be made into an Honorary Member, but let standing Honoraries serve before said new hero comes back.
> >
> > Heroes I DON'T want in the League:
> >
> > Vixen
> > Arsenal
> > Geo-Force
> > Black Lightning (honorary membership is okay)
> > Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Gernot...
> >


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Fanboy Howton





Well, for some reason I've always liked Blue Beetle ever since my first exposure to him in Crisis on Infinite Earths (yes, he got a bit silly in JLI but still.. if handled by a good writer can be cool. His final story in Countdown to Infinite Crisis was great.) He can work well for some LIGHT comic relief.

Cyborg? I've always been a fan of Cyborg. Why not promote him rather than Roy Harper?

I thought about adding Metamopho, but DC always ends up killing him sooner or later so I left him off.

With Hawkwoman I'm going with the old adage of members not duplicating powers. I've got Hawkman. ;\)

Phantom Stranger and Captain Comet, while pretty cool in their own right, don't strike me as team players. Always Honorary Members though!



> For some reason, Blue Beetle leaves a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. He was pretty much always a clown back in the JLI days, so that must be it. \:\)
>
> Cyborg, too, will always be associated in my mind with the Titans. It's kind'a hard to shake that out.
>
> In addition to your impressive membership list, though, I'd add the following:
>
> Metamorpho
> Captain Comet
> Hawkwoman
> Phantom Stranger
>
> I'd like to see someone in a solo story (as I saw Aquaman in an Adventures Comics years ago) refer to themselves as Justice Leaguers as if it MEANT something! I'd like to see two of the "lesser-lights" teaming with Green Lantern or Flash in their own books, making the case an unofficial JLA story. THAT sort'a thing... \:\)
>
> Gernot...
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Kartoon Klub
>
> > I agree with you that membership in the Justice League of America should be reserved for heroes that have proven themselves.
> >
> > I really can't stand when a writer brings in some mort character that he created and have them join the premiere super hero team. (I use Triathlon of the Avengers as a prime example)
> >
> > I don't mind legacy characters (Wally West being the best one of course) I didn't mind Conner as Green Arrow when Ollie was dead. But yeah, I can't see Roy as Red Arrow when there is still the Green Arrow!
> >
> > But I don't mind heroes graduating to the JLA either.
> >
> > Instead of Red Arrow, I wouldn't have minded seeing Cyborg as a member.
> >
> > I always hold the Satellite era JLA as the gold standard.
> >
> > Superman
> > Wonder Woman
> > Batman
> > Martian Manhunter
> > Aquaman
> > Green Lantern
> > Flash
> > Green Arrow
> > Atom
> > Hawkman
> > Black Canary
> > Elongated Man
> > Red Tornado
> > Zatanna
> > Firestorm
> >
> > Then you can add any or all of these members on a rotating basis
> >
> > Captain Atom
> > Black Lightning
> > Power Girl
> > Blue Beetle
> > Plastic Man
> > Steel
> > Cyborg
> >
> > One of the problems is that after you get past the main membership of the satellite era JLA (and even including a couple of em..)DC's cast of characters take a big drop in the heavy hitter area.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
> > >
> > > Should ANY writer be able to come up with a brand-new character with the idea of having him/her join the League?
> > >
> > > I feel the League should only have those who've proven themselves over the years, such as the heroes up until the Satellite Era had done. I always felt the Detroit League was a mistake, letting several unknowns join the League.
> > >
> > > The League CAN be the size of an army, but only a limited number should be written into a case/storyline with any writer. I'd like the number of active Leagers limited to 12-15 members, at MOST. If a hero dies, let his/her slot remain open, unless a legacy character should come forward (Flash, Green Lantern, etc.)
> > >
> > > I don't really want to see Arsenal in the League (Green Arrow's still alive!), nor do I want to see the original heroes retired so new blood can take their place(s).
> > >
> > > I want the League to be formed of the "gods" of the DC Universe. If the writer wants to introduce a new character in the book, fine! LET the new character be introduced, then written OUT of the book when that particular story is over. They can come back once every three years or so. Any new hero can be made into an Honorary Member, but let standing Honoraries serve before said new hero comes back.
> > >
> > > Heroes I DON'T want in the League:
> > >
> > > Vixen
> > > Arsenal
> > > Geo-Force
> > > Black Lightning (honorary membership is okay)
> > > Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Gernot...
> > >


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footman




I think that the JLA is toeing a thin line, but that so far it is working. By that, I refer to the current expanded membership. I don't want the JLA to turn into a JSA type thing with 30 or 40 members, but right now I really like the additions of Hawkwoman, Vixen, Geo-Force, and Black Lightning. McDuffie is doing a fine job with these characters.

As far as Red Arrow goes, yes he should definitely be in the League, as Red Arrow. No question in my mind. This is Roy finally growing up and coming into his own, as Dick did when he became Nightwing. After all, we know right now that Oliver will be joining Hal in the second League that will be forming after Final Crisis, so Roy will not be redundant. Even were this not the case, Oliver's being alive doesn't automatically mean he should go back to being a full-time Green Arrow or a full-time League member. Were he not going to be in the upcoming new JLA, which I am very much looking forward to, I wouldnt even mind seeing Oliver take a break and do the civilian thing for a while.

New characters are ok, but should be used sparingly. If you look at Busiek's Power Company, it really flopped. I think that this was because it mostly featured a buch of Busiek creations when DC fans would really have liked to see a new DC team made of some of the random, homeless established characters. I remember when Firestorm and Powergirl showed up in that book, and I thought, "Man, this book would have been better had they been in it from the beginning". Over in the Outsiders book I see the same problem. The two new female characters, Grace and the other lightening girl, are not at all interesting to me, and they take up valuable page space.

> Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
>
> Should ANY writer be able to come up with a brand-new character with the idea of having him/her join the League?
>
> I feel the League should only have those who've proven themselves over the years, such as the heroes up until the Satellite Era had done. I always felt the Detroit League was a mistake, letting several unknowns join the League.
>
> The League CAN be the size of an army, but only a limited number should be written into a case/storyline with any writer. I'd like the number of active Leagers limited to 12-15 members, at MOST. If a hero dies, let his/her slot remain open, unless a legacy character should come forward (Flash, Green Lantern, etc.)
>
> I don't really want to see Arsenal in the League (Green Arrow's still alive!), nor do I want to see the original heroes retired so new blood can take their place(s).
>
> I want the League to be formed of the "gods" of the DC Universe. If the writer wants to introduce a new character in the book, fine! LET the new character be introduced, then written OUT of the book when that particular story is over. They can come back once every three years or so. Any new hero can be made into an Honorary Member, but let standing Honoraries serve before said new hero comes back.
>
> Heroes I DON'T want in the League:
>
> Vixen
> Arsenal
> Geo-Force
> Black Lightning (honorary membership is okay)
> Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Gernot...
>
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Gernot




> I think that the JLA is toeing a thin line, but that so far it is working. By that, I refer to the current expanded membership. I don't want the JLA to turn into a JSA type thing with 30 or 40 members, but right now I really like the additions of Hawkwoman, Vixen, Geo-Force, and Black Lightning. McDuffie is doing a fine job with these characters.
>

Yeah, I DON'T want the League to be as big as LOSH or JSA, either. I think as long as they have less than 20 active members, the team should be okay.

> As far as Red Arrow goes, yes he should definitely be in the League, as Red Arrow. No question in my mind. This is Roy finally growing up and coming into his own, as Dick did when he became Nightwing. After all, we know right now that Oliver will be joining Hal in the second League that will be forming after Final Crisis, so Roy will not be redundant. Even were this not the case, Oliver's being alive doesn't automatically mean he should go back to being a full-time Green Arrow or a full-time League member. Were he not going to be in the upcoming new JLA, which I am very much looking forward to, I wouldnt even mind seeing Oliver take a break and do the civilian thing for a while.
>

I'd say Red Arrow has a ways to go yet. Do all the Leaguers trust that he WON'T have a relapse of his drug addiction? Have they touched upon that yet?

And I'm against Arrow and Lantern forming a new team. Teams should be made of solo heroes and new characters. The League should be an HONOR, one that isn't taken lightly. A hero should be a member for life, serving in whatever capacity they can in certain circumstances. For example, if Arrow should lose an arm, he could still function on Monitor Duty in times of Crisis, acting as a liason for the membership.

> New characters are ok, but should be used sparingly. If you look at Busiek's Power Company, it really flopped. I think that this was because it mostly featured a buch of Busiek creations when DC fans would really have liked to see a new DC team made of some of the random, homeless established characters. I remember when Firestorm and Powergirl showed up in that book, and I thought, "Man, this book would have been better had they been in it from the beginning". Over in the Outsiders book I see the same problem. The two new female characters, Grace and the other lightening girl, are not at all interesting to me, and they take up valuable page space.
>

I'm against new members in the League for pretty much the reasons you stated above. There was a teenage girl who joined JLE at one point, causing me to scratch my head in amazement. IMO, it was one of the most BORING periods in the League's life.

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Gernot




>
> Well, for some reason I've always liked Blue Beetle ever since my first exposure to him in Crisis on Infinite Earths (yes, he got a bit silly in JLI but still.. if handled by a good writer can be cool. His final story in Countdown to Infinite Crisis was great.) He can work well for some LIGHT comic relief.
>

I think I liked Beetle best as he was portrayed during Jurgens' run on the League. He was treated intelligently, and he still seemed to have a sense of humor.

> Cyborg? I've always been a fan of Cyborg. Why not promote him rather than Roy Harper?
>

I'm against Harper in the League, too. I think they BOTH should still be Titans.

> I thought about adding Metamopho, but DC always ends up killing him sooner or later so I left him off.
>

I'd like to see DC clear out the 1990's deadwood they created (New Blood, or whatever they were called). Yech! \:\)

Leave Metamorpho alone!

> With Hawkwoman I'm going with the old adage of members not duplicating powers. I've got Hawkman. ;\)
>

I could actually go either way with Hawkwoman. I never really cared for her before Englehart got her into the League, but felt she did alright. \:\)

> Phantom Stranger and Captain Comet, while pretty cool in their own right, don't strike me as team players. Always Honorary Members though!
>

I'm in COMPLETE agreement here, my friend! \:\)

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mykle1616




I think for me, Roy can be a part of the league, but I wish it was as Arsenol, not as Red Arrow. All the time in Titans, I pretty much tended to forget he was at one time GA's sidekick, because he developed into his own man. He didn't rely on just the trick arrows, but other things also. I guess the League has issues with gun weapons now, tho.


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little kon-el




> Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
>

I always liked the "Knight" aspect of the Justice League. The JL should be the Top Gun of Superheroes...the people you would contact when the world is going to be destroyed and you need the best people with powers and intelligence to deal with that threat (sort of like the Seven Soldiers, who were the best at each weapon they used). My ideal would be a 12-member roster with a 13th member who will be put in on a rotating basis from either past members or members who would like to be there in the future.

My team would be more "specialist" based and "Knighthood-like" in appearance:

Nightwing - Best Team Leader
Flash - The Best Speedster
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) - Best Space Cop
Steel - Best Weaponsmith/Technical Person
Red Arrow - Best Marksman
Mr. Terrific - Best Tactician
Supergirl- Best Strongwoman (she is stronger and more powerful than Superman)
Troia - Best Warrior Woman (she is wonder woman's equal AND blessed by the Titans with power)
Zatanna - Best Sorceress/Connection to Nature
Captain Atom - Best Connection to the Quantum Field and Super Soldier
Blue Starman - Best Alien Warrior with contacts throughout space
0Vixen - Best connection to the Animal Kingdom

Plus a rotating 13th member (like Rip Hunter or Adam Strange or The Atom) who are specialists in their field. If you wanted to supplement or take out a character, you have to replace them with someone of greater or equal value, power-wise in the pantheon of heroes.

I kind of like this setup, because it has a "new trinity", but it also sets up different dynamics for each member. It keeps the idea of the Justice League as a specialist group, sort of like a "Bones" or "House" group of specialists working in the field, but it also gives us a group of powerhouses that are distinct enough from one another, power-wise, so that we don't have repetition.

- l.k.


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little kon-el




> I think for me, Roy can be a part of the league, but I wish it was as Arsenal, not as Red Arrow. All the time in Titans, I pretty much tended to forget he was at one time GA's sidekick, because he developed into his own man. He didn't rely on just the trick arrows, but other things also. I guess the League has issues with gun weapons now, tho.
>

I like Roy in the current lineup for three reasons:

1: Roy is a specialist who has the "bullseye" power of turning anything he touches into a weapon. This is more than just what Green Arrow has, and it should be used more often than just "red arrow."

2. Roy's relationship with Black Canary and Hal Jordan are interesting because both of them see him as a younger brother character. I always wanted to see more of that kind of dynamic in this JL run before the group splintered again. It is both familiar (because we're used to the Ollie/Dinah/GL group) and different (because Roy is younger and has a different perspective on things than Ollie).

3. Roy is the only JL member with a spy background and spy contacts. This may not seem alot, but I think Roy having contacts within different intelligence agencies should be explored more because this should be an asset to the team, not a detriment. Remember, Diana can't actively ask for Checkmate or CBI's help, but Roy could call in a favor because they all know him as being an agent.

- l.k.


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Hawkeye7




> > I think that the JLA is toeing a thin line, but that so far it is working. By that, I refer to the current expanded membership. I don't want the JLA to turn into a JSA type thing with 30 or 40 members, but right now I really like the additions of Hawkwoman, Vixen, Geo-Force, and Black Lightning. McDuffie is doing a fine job with these characters.
> >
>
> Yeah, I DON'T want the League to be as big as LOSH or JSA, either. I think as long as they have less than 20 active members, the team should be okay.
>
> > As far as Red Arrow goes, yes he should definitely be in the League, as Red Arrow. No question in my mind. This is Roy finally growing up and coming into his own, as Dick did when he became Nightwing. After all, we know right now that Oliver will be joining Hal in the second League that will be forming after Final Crisis, so Roy will not be redundant. Even were this not the case, Oliver's being alive doesn't automatically mean he should go back to being a full-time Green Arrow or a full-time League member. Were he not going to be in the upcoming new JLA, which I am very much looking forward to, I wouldnt even mind seeing Oliver take a break and do the civilian thing for a while.
> >
>
> I'd say Red Arrow has a ways to go yet. Do all the Leaguers trust that he WON'T have a relapse of his drug addiction? Have they touched upon that yet?
>
> And I'm against Arrow and Lantern forming a new team. Teams should be made of solo heroes and new characters. The League should be an HONOR, one that isn't taken lightly. A hero should be a member for life, serving in whatever capacity they can in certain circumstances. For example, if Arrow should lose an arm, he could still function on Monitor Duty in times of Crisis, acting as a liason for the membership.
>
> > New characters are ok, but should be used sparingly. If you look at Busiek's Power Company, it really flopped. I think that this was because it mostly featured a buch of Busiek creations when DC fans would really have liked to see a new DC team made of some of the random, homeless established characters. I remember when Firestorm and Powergirl showed up in that book, and I thought, "Man, this book would have been better had they been in it from the beginning". Over in the Outsiders book I see the same problem. The two new female characters, Grace and the other lightening girl, are not at all interesting to me, and they take up valuable page space.
> >
>
> I'm against new members in the League for pretty much the reasons you stated above. There was a teenage girl who joined JLE at one point, causing me to scratch my head in amazement. IMO, it was one of the most BORING periods in the League's life.

I hear that! Towards the end of the JLA/JLI/JLE run and then the WW/Infinity INC stages were quite sad. The League should be the best and the brightest. If you have never been on the Super Friends or the first 2 seasons of JL, somebody better have a darn good reason for including you! Even then, some of you better not go there (Wendy, marvin, Zan, Jayna, goofy Batman--I'm looking at you all!). Gimme Batman, Supes, WW, Flash, the top-tiered GL, Aquaman, Hawks, GA, BC, Red Tornado, Zatanna, Black Lightning, Elongated Men...in fact gimme the satelite era and their modern day analogs (ALL OF THEM) and few others.

The problem with that is that the League has always worked better for me with a Rookie on the team as well, whether its Zatanna, Firestorm, Booster Gold, or Wally and Kyle. So you need that role of heavy hitter rookie on the cusp of hitting the big time. The problem is sorting out your Firestorms from your Mayas, Blue Devils, Beefeaters, Azteks,etc


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> Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)

Snapper Carr's way cool, though, groove daddy. *snap snap*

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> I hear that! Towards the end of the JLA/JLI/JLE run and then the WW/Infinity INC stages were quite sad. The League should be the best and the brightest. If you have never been on the Super Friends or the first 2 seasons of JL, somebody better have a darn good reason for including you! Even then, some of you better not go there (Wendy, marvin, Zan, Jayna, goofy Batman--I'm looking at you all!). Gimme Batman, Supes, WW, Flash, the top-tiered GL, Aquaman, Hawks, GA, BC, Red Tornado, Zatanna, Black Lightning, Elongated Men...in fact gimme the satelite era and their modern day analogs (ALL OF THEM) and few others.
>
> The problem with that is that the League has always worked better for me with a Rookie on the team as well, whether its Zatanna, Firestorm, Booster Gold, or Wally and Kyle. So you need that role of heavy hitter rookie on the cusp of hitting the big time. The problem is sorting out your Firestorms from your Mayas, Blue Devils, Beefeaters, Azteks,etc

Zatanna, Firestorm, and Wally were hardly "rookies", in that each had been active for quite some time before joining the League.

Kyle gets in because he succeeded the previous Green Lantern, and I'm STILL not convinced Booster Gold was a good idea for a SERIOUS League.

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> > I think for me, Roy can be a part of the league, but I wish it was as Arsenal, not as Red Arrow. All the time in Titans, I pretty much tended to forget he was at one time GA's sidekick, because he developed into his own man. He didn't rely on just the trick arrows, but other things also. I guess the League has issues with gun weapons now, tho.
> >
>
> I like Roy in the current lineup for three reasons:
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> 1: Roy is a specialist who has the "bullseye" power of turning anything he touches into a weapon. This is more than just what Green Arrow has, and it should be used more often than just "red arrow."
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> 2. Roy's relationship with Black Canary and Hal Jordan are interesting because both of them see him as a younger brother character. I always wanted to see more of that kind of dynamic in this JL run before the group splintered again. It is both familiar (because we're used to the Ollie/Dinah/GL group) and different (because Roy is younger and has a different perspective on things than Ollie).
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> 3. Roy is the only JL member with a spy background and spy contacts. This may not seem alot, but I think Roy having contacts within different intelligence agencies should be explored more because this should be an asset to the team, not a detriment. Remember, Diana can't actively ask for Checkmate or CBI's help, but Roy could call in a favor because they all know him as being an agent.
>
> - l.k.

Okay, I didn't KNOW he had the Bullseye power of super-aim. When did THAT happen?

I think Roy, being "in" with as many of DC's spy agencies as he is, might be a good superhero liason with say, Checkmate and the JLA and Titans, as well as with the JSA. \:\)

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> >
> > I hear that! Towards the end of the JLA/JLI/JLE run and then the WW/Infinity INC stages were quite sad. The League should be the best and the brightest. If you have never been on the Super Friends or the first 2 seasons of JL, somebody better have a darn good reason for including you! Even then, some of you better not go there (Wendy, marvin, Zan, Jayna, goofy Batman--I'm looking at you all!). Gimme Batman, Supes, WW, Flash, the top-tiered GL, Aquaman, Hawks, GA, BC, Red Tornado, Zatanna, Black Lightning, Elongated Men...in fact gimme the satelite era and their modern day analogs (ALL OF THEM) and few others.
> >
> > The problem with that is that the League has always worked better for me with a Rookie on the team as well, whether its Zatanna, Firestorm, Booster Gold, or Wally and Kyle. So you need that role of heavy hitter rookie on the cusp of hitting the big time. The problem is sorting out your Firestorms from your Mayas, Blue Devils, Beefeaters, Azteks,etc
>
> Zatanna, Firestorm, and Wally were hardly "rookies", in that each had been active for quite some time before joining the League.

I'll give you Wally, but Z and Firestorm both functioned as "New Kids on the Block" when they came on to the team--which, honestly for me, is a good thing.

> Kyle gets in because he succeeded the previous Green Lantern, and I'm STILL not convinced Booster Gold was a good idea for a SERIOUS League.

I actually think that that is why Booster should have been on a seriouss League. In his own book (first run) he had a serious arc from well-intending guy hoping to make a buck while doing good, to someone who has seen the cost that true heroism demands. For me, it would have been neat to see Booster come onto a serious League and for people to treat him as the shyster materialist when he really was a true hero at heart. Have Superman J'onn or someone see his true nature and sponser him, and then let Booster when over the rest. That could be cool!


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>
> I'll give you Wally, but Z and Firestorm both functioned as "New Kids on the Block" when they came on to the team--which, honestly for me, is a good thing.
>

I remember how it was when Zatanna joined, and I think that was a mistake. She'd worked with several of the Leaguers separately and as a team. She was pretty far from bein' any kind of rookie.

> > Kyle gets in because he succeeded the previous Green Lantern, and I'm STILL not convinced Booster Gold was a good idea for a SERIOUS League.
>
> I actually think that that is why Booster should have been on a seriouss League. In his own book (first run) he had a serious arc from well-intending guy hoping to make a buck while doing good, to someone who has seen the cost that true heroism demands. For me, it would have been neat to see Booster come onto a serious League and for people to treat him as the shyster materialist when he really was a true hero at heart. Have Superman J'onn or someone see his true nature and sponser him, and then let Booster when over the rest. That could be cool!

Booster WOULD'VE fit in once the League saw his true nature. Unfortunately, his true nature was shown to be "greed", so Superman's dislike was somewhat justified.

If they'd let him mature, he would've been a better character.

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> > Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
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> Snapper Carr's way cool, though, groove daddy. *snap snap*
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> omike015
> \:\-\|

'Cause who can remember all the times Snapper led the JLA in battle against Kanjar Ro, and joined the fight against Dr. Light and Despero?

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> > Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
> >
>
> I always liked the "Knight" aspect of the Justice League. The JL should be the Top Gun of Superheroes...the people you would contact when the world is going to be destroyed and you need the best people with powers and intelligence to deal with that threat (sort of like the Seven Soldiers, who were the best at each weapon they used). My ideal would be a 12-member roster with a 13th member who will be put in on a rotating basis from either past members or members who would like to be there in the future.
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> My team would be more "specialist" based and "Knighthood-like" in appearance:
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> Nightwing - Best Team Leader
> Flash - The Best Speedster
> Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) - Best Space Cop
> Steel - Best Weaponsmith/Technical Person
> Red Arrow - Best Marksman
> Mr. Terrific - Best Tactician
> Supergirl- Best Strongwoman (she is stronger and more powerful than Superman)
> Troia - Best Warrior Woman (she is wonder woman's equal AND blessed by the Titans with power)
> Zatanna - Best Sorceress/Connection to Nature
> Captain Atom - Best Connection to the Quantum Field and Super Soldier
> Blue Starman - Best Alien Warrior with contacts throughout space
> 0Vixen - Best connection to the Animal Kingdom
>
> Plus a rotating 13th member (like Rip Hunter or Adam Strange or The Atom) who are specialists in their field. If you wanted to supplement or take out a character, you have to replace them with someone of greater or equal value, power-wise in the pantheon of heroes.
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> I kind of like this setup, because it has a "new trinity", but it also sets up different dynamics for each member. It keeps the idea of the Justice League as a specialist group, sort of like a "Bones" or "House" group of specialists working in the field, but it also gives us a group of powerhouses that are distinct enough from one another, power-wise, so that we don't have repetition.
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> - l.k.

The ONLY problem I have with some of your choices, Kon-El, is their youth. I'm just an old fart, I guess, but I wouldn't want to put the fate of the world in the hands of "kids" like Nightwing or Troia.

By the same token, I'd feel PERFECTLY safe with the Legion of Super-Heroes runnin' things. Maybe it's 'cause we've seen Dick get kidnapped so often in World's Finest or Batman, and Donna Troy spent long periods being an inactive hero.

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> > > Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
> >
> > Snapper Carr's way cool, though, groove daddy. *snap snap*
> >
> > omike015
> > \:\-\|
>
> 'Cause who can remember all the times Snapper led the JLA in battle against Kanjar Ro, and joined the fight against Dr. Light and Despero?

Hey, without Snapper, the League would've never defeated Starro. \:\-\)

Getting back to the original topic, though... another point you brought up was the League being composed of the big names. That's one of the problems I have with the current title. Sure, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are there -- but mostly just as window dressing. Way too much focus is put on and C-listers like Vixen and Red Tornado.

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> Do you like the idea of the JLA being an all-encompassing army, or would you rather it be the elite of superheroes, with those who've proven themselves?
>

I like a mix, personally. It's the norm in fiction (not just comics, fiction in general) to have someone with a fresh perspective in the narrative; if there was never a rookie to the JLA, how would we ever get that? Even when Morrison wrote the Big 7, Green Lantern was the rookie.

> Should ANY writer be able to come up with a brand-new character with the idea of having him/her join the League?
>

While I normally agree that creating a character just to join the team doesn't always work (Maya, for example, or Triathlon in Aveners), I also have to think of a character like the Vision. He was created in the Avengers book, and became one of the characters most associated with the Avengers (I often think of him kind of like the J'onn J'onnz of the Avengers).

> I feel the League should only have those who've proven themselves over the years, such as the heroes up until the Satellite Era had done. I always felt the Detroit League was a mistake, letting several unknowns join the League.
>

Using this method, would we have ever gotten the Blue Beetle/Booster Gold dynamic that defined the Giffen era?

> The League CAN be the size of an army, but only a limited number should be written into a case/storyline with any writer. I'd like the number of active Leagers limited to 12-15 members, at MOST. If a hero dies, let his/her slot remain open, unless a legacy character should come forward (Flash, Green Lantern, etc.)
>

I liked how the Justice League cartoon handled things, actually. Focusing on specific characters for specific missions.

> I don't really want to see Arsenal in the League (Green Arrow's still alive!), nor do I want to see the original heroes retired so new blood can take their place(s).
>

But how do new characters grow if we the reader know they can never make to the big leagues? No matter what the Titans might accomplish they will never be regarded as the "big guns". I'd consider Nightwing, Cyborg, Donna Troy, and Arsenal for the Justice League over Maya and Blue Devil any day.

Arsenal in the league with Ollie alive actually works because Ollie thinks of Roy as his kid, and wants him to succeed. I think the name Red Arrow is stupid though. \:\)

> I want the League to be formed of the "gods" of the DC Universe. If the writer wants to introduce a new character in the book, fine! LET the new character be introduced, then written OUT of the book when that particular story is over. They can come back once every three years or so. Any new hero can be made into an Honorary Member, but let standing Honoraries serve before said new hero comes back.
>

As I said, I like a mix of big guns and second-tier heroes. Generally the "gods" of the DCU have their own books...where are we to read about characters who don't? Sure, there are other teams or solo books, but it helps a character's credibility and popularity more if they are/were a Justice Leaguer rather than a member of the Doom Patrol.

> Heroes I DON'T want in the League:
>
> Vixen
> Arsenal
> Geo-Force
> Black Lightning (honorary membership is okay)
> Heroes created in the book (let them be established, and in a few years we'll talk.) \:\)
>

Other than Aresenal I don't have a problem with that, though Black Lightning has been around for awhile and he's gotten a push in other books in the last few years.

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