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liheibao


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1) Since Superman has renounced is going to renounce his American citizenship, how would that affect his membership in the JLA? I ask because the JLA does operated globally, despite being called the Justice League of America and was under the impression that members have honorary citizenship in various countries.

2) If JLA members do not have honorary citizenship, how would they operate without causing international incidents. Yes, I know, when Starro attacks, no one cares at the moment, but when the worldwide threat has been defeated, and blame is assigned, as human beings are want to do, how would JLA be able to function without incurring various suits? I could easily see a country stating; "Thanks for saving us, now here's the bill"

3) I'm not trying to have a debate started. I just want some clarification. Cheers.




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Jeff Harey


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


1. I'm nauseated with the whole concept of Superman renouncing his citizenship, especially within earshot of Amanda Waller (that is her in the panel with him, right?). It's an insult to the memory of Siegel, Shuster, Boring, Swan, Weisinger, Schwartz and all the other great creators associated with the character. Mike Friedrich tried a similar tack when he wrote the character and Elliott Maggin, among others, called it B.S. , just as when Frank Miller made him a tool of the U.S. Government in Dark Knight.
Anyway, I don't think it'll make that much a difference, since the big guns are miles away from JLA involvement now. Even when they were, at least one character had duel citizenship (Aquaman as King of Atlantis and Arthur Curry). It never was really brought up and the League were global protectors with honorary citizenships, which worked up to 52, when DC just had to bring in a Chinese superteam and turn Black Adam into a Dr. Doom (in terms of being an isolationist international leader) clone, instead of a tragic hero/villian.
2. I'd suspect that the Wayne Foundation, which funds the JLA, handles issues such as costs incurred and legal matters brought up as a result of cases.


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Battle Wizard




Superman can turn a relatively worthless chunk of coal into a diamond in only a few seconds effort. So the issue of paying for damages really shouldn't BE an issue, cause with an hour or two of his time converting coal to diamonds he could have probably paid for all of the 9/11 clean-up & repairs. The only issue of being submitted a bill should be the actual fairness of the bill, because EVERYONE knows people pad their bills, especially when it's greedy businessmen and politicians.


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liheibao


Member Since: Thu May 07, 2009
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Diamonds are valuable because they're rare. If he makes them every time he causes damage, which would be a lot, their value would be that of most comic books these days. How do you submit a bill to someone who saves the world and your life?




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Battle Wizard




the bill submitted for the damages to buildings, vehicles, lightpoles, sidewalks, houses, streets, etc... because often-times these fights take place or start in or end in a city, the ravages of battle can take a very real toll upon those things, and it's not like cities typically budget for "superhero/villain damages" due to x-number of fights per year, so we'll budget x-amount of dollars in anticipation of those rumbles happening. Someone has to foot the bill for all those repairs. I bet the cost of insurance in places where superhero's rumble the most has GOT to be exhorbitant, and only the extremely rich can actually afford it.


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Super Rubbery Bung





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    1) Since Superman has renounced is going to renounce his American citizenship, how would that affect his membership in the JLA? I ask because the JLA does operated globally, despite being called the Justice League of America and was under the impression that members have honorary citizenship in various countries.


The JLA has quite a few people who probably don't have citizenship or aren't declared in terms of their identity- Wonder Woman was a diplomat of sorts, Batman is always an unknown person to the public and the government and no one is gonna ask Congorilla if he has a green card.

Technically Kal-El the Kryptonian doesn't have American citizenship anyway; people have just let him fly around and save them, no need to call in the local Minutemen chapter.

And the JLA it is, but they've been based in Antarctica and in space as well, so they'll live.

Honorary citizenship doesn't give anyone the right to enjoy said priveledges, it's nothing but a certificate in the end. True, actual citizenship of another country outside the US (for the Earther JLers) is probably rare (JLI era excluded of course)- which is why Batman is building up his own network of Batmen all over the world. Real citizens of a country can really work better than intervention, which might bring us back to the earlier point; are the JLA gods who act above human laws and considered as such, or seen as superpowered wrecking balls that have to answer to said law?


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    2) If JLA members do not have honorary citizenship, how would they operate without causing international incidents. Yes, I know, when Starro attacks, no one cares at the moment, but when the worldwide threat has been defeated, and blame is assigned, as human beings are want to do, how would JLA be able to function without incurring various suits? I could easily see a country stating; "Thanks for saving us, now here's the bill"


In the world of superhero comics, a litigious public is an anomaly- and heroes do help up clean the messes as well and do repairs, it's just not story material most of the time. Money taken from the bad guys might be applicable here, but the governments of the DCU seem to be pretty well covered in most respects, the Americans more than anyone.

They are the JL of America, but in truth no one associates them with the US Government per se, otherwise Capitol Hill will be the one fighting lawsuits. Marvel's Avengers suffered more than the JL from government interference, given the close links they had with the establishment.


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    3) I'm not trying to have a debate started. I just want some clarification. Cheers.





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littlekonel




I believe it is a combination of a UN fund for any group calling themselves the Justice League of America and a specific fund created by Bruce Wayne and Ollie Queen that allocate funds for damages that have resulted in battles with the JLA and others. The UN still sanctions JLA activity, which is why they still have problems operating outside of UN jurisdiction. The only difference between now and the previous JLI is that they do not answer directly to the UN, nor are members salaried or have embassies around the world.

- l.k.


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