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Ironing Man




I remember reading somewhere that Jack was once Captain X in a previous life. I recently reread my Starman run, and beyond the few quick flashbacks of Cap X, I don't remember reading any connection between the two.

Anyone clear this up for me?


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Chris




> I remember reading somewhere that Jack was once Captain X in a previous life. I recently reread my Starman run, and beyond the few quick flashbacks of Cap X, I don't remember reading any connection between the two.
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> Anyone clear this up for me?

I'm not super sure about this. In pre-Crisis continuity Captain X was not seen much other than his Golden Age appearance. I believe it was during his early Post Crisis DC continuity appearances that Captain X was established as being the grandfather to Firestorm, and I believe he was killed off in modern times by an old WW2 era Russian super-character. I'm not as familiar with the more recent changes to old DC continuity, so it is possible they had Jack become Capt. X in a previous life.


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TJ Burns




> > I remember reading somewhere that Jack was once Captain X in a previous life. I recently reread my Starman run, and beyond the few quick flashbacks of Cap X, I don't remember reading any connection between the two.
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> > Anyone clear this up for me?
>
> I'm not super sure about this. In pre-Crisis continuity Captain X was not seen much other than his Golden Age appearance. I believe it was during his early Post Crisis DC continuity appearances that Captain X was established as being the grandfather to Firestorm, and I believe he was killed off in modern times by an old WW2 era Russian super-character. I'm not as familiar with the more recent changes to old DC continuity, so it is possible they had Jack become Capt. X in a previous life.

I don't recall the link to Captain X, but the claim was made that Jack was a reincarnation of Rosa, Master Spy from Men at War #17.


TJB


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Ironing Man





> I don't recall the link to Captain X, but the claim was made that Jack was a reincarnation of Rosa, Master Spy from Men at War #17.
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>
> TJB

I actually forgot about that.

I just realized that I probably got the idea from the DCU Encyclopedia that had a bunch of errors.


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little kon-el




...A Revolutionary Hero that was sort of the Mata Hari of the DCUniverse during revolutionary times. Her name slips my mind, but it was a very obscure DC character that you could find in one of the Who's Who 85s. I believe this character was also a gypsy with the power to see into the future, which also links up quite well to Jack's latent precognition.

The name is on the tip of my tongue, but without the Who's Who issues in front me, I don't really remember the name.

Anyone else who is familiar with very obscure DC characters know who I'm talking about? I know, at least for Jack, that the biggest hint comes from when Shade is goading Jack to trying to remember his dreams ("Were you a Pirate in a past life Jack (alluding to John Valor) or possibly a Cowboy Sherrif (alluding to Brian Savage)...") and Jack responds that he does remember being a female spy for America during the revolutionary war.

Does anyone know who I'm talking about?

- little kon-el


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Zazu




> ...A Revolutionary Hero that was sort of the Mata Hari of the DCUniverse during revolutionary times. Her name slips my mind, but it was a very obscure DC character that you could find in one of the Who's Who 85s. I believe this character was also a gypsy with the power to see into the future, which also links up quite well to Jack's latent precognition.
>
> The name is on the tip of my tongue, but without the Who's Who issues in front me, I don't really remember the name.
>
> Anyone else who is familiar with very obscure DC characters know who I'm talking about? I know, at least for Jack, that the biggest hint comes from when Shade is goading Jack to trying to remember his dreams ("Were you a Pirate in a past life Jack (alluding to John Valor) or possibly a Cowboy Sherrif (alluding to Brian Savage)...") and Jack responds that he does remember being a female spy for America during the revolutionary war.
>
> Does anyone know who I'm talking about?
>
> - little kon-el


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Zazu




Sorry. That was one of the O'Dares (Matt, I think).


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Omar Karindu




> I remember reading somewhere that Jack was once Captain X in a previous life. I recently reread my Starman run, and beyond the few quick flashbacks of Cap X, I don't remember reading any connection between the two.
>
> Anyone clear this up for me?

Captain X is seen once during the Starman run, in a flashback during Grand Guignol where he fights alongside the Shade in London during WWII. It's the incident in which the Shade and Culp wind up fused, but there's no other connection made to the character in the series. However, Captain X was Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond)'s grandfather, slain by the Russian superman Stalnoivolk...in the modern era, during a period very likely after Jack Knight's birth. (Stalnoivolk, of course, was himself an analogue of the 1938-model Superman recast as a villain, much as "Iron" Munro is a heroic version of the same.)

Also of note is that the always-shadowed Nazi monster that the Shade and Captain X battle appears to be a mainstream DCU analogue of the Scarecrow from the Elseworlds series JLA: The Liberty Files. Presumably this was a hat tip from James Robinson to his original collaborator, Tony Harris, who worked on both series.

- Omar Karindu

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little kon-el




> Sorry. That was one of the O'Dares (Matt, I think).


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Jeff Harvey




> > Sorry. That was one of the O'Dares (Matt, I think).

Rosa was a male character who made a few appearances in some of the DC war books, in back-up stories.


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little kon-el




From the DC Comics Message Boards:

Yep, "Rosa, Master Spy" was a 19th Century-based series about a literal man without a country who operated across Europe selling his services to various governments. Paul Kupperberg and Jerry Grandenetti created the character, who appeared in a pair of two-parters in 1979's MEN OF WAR #17-18 and 24-25. He has a short write-up in the hardback DC COMICS ENCYCLOPEDIA.

- little kon-el


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lonelyknight




No.Jack Knight was already born when Captain X died.Maybe you're thonking
of David Knight being reborn of sorts in the 1950's taking over the role
of the second Starman from Charles McNider after Ted Knight went into
a mental hospital after the war reguard his role in developing the Atomic Bombs that were droped in Japan. 8\-\)

> > I remember reading somewhere that Jack was once Captain X in a previous life. I recently reread my Starman run, and beyond the few quick flashbacks of Cap X, I don't remember reading any connection between the two.
> >
> > Anyone clear this up for me?
>
> I'm not super sure about this. In pre-Crisis continuity Captain X was not seen much other than his Golden Age appearance. I believe it was during his early Post Crisis DC continuity appearances that Captain X was established as being the grandfather to Firestorm, and I believe he was killed off in modern times by an old WW2 era Russian super-character. I'm not as familiar with the more recent changes to old DC continuity, so it is possible they had Jack become Capt. X in a previous life.


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