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Xanadude




Okay. Bear with me.
Johns and Ross said in an interview that Starman would be vital to defining the role of the JSA in the new series. And, since it seems like this Starman is from Kingdom Come, I'm willing to bet that he tells the JSA all about how the next generation of heroes come up without any role models and basically run amok and cause the events of KC. The JSA therefore resolve to make sure this doesn't happen and become the..well..for lack of a better word..stewards of the next generation of heroes. It fits in with what the older three members said in the first issue but also gives the series more an urgency.

Just a thought.




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Sean Walsh




> Okay. Bear with me.
> Johns and Ross said in an interview that Starman would be vital to defining the role of the JSA in the new series. And, since it seems like this Starman is from Kingdom Come, I'm willing to bet that he tells the JSA all about how the next generation of heroes come up without any role models and basically run amok and cause the events of KC. The JSA therefore resolve to make sure this doesn't happen and become the..well..for lack of a better word..stewards of the next generation of heroes. It fits in with what the older three members said in the first issue but also gives the series more an urgency.
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> Just a thought.

Well, you're right about the KC bit. They all but confirm Starman is from the Kingdom Come timeline.

A bit off, though, regarding the next generation of heroes. Because someone out there, using B-list villains (and now B-list Nazis!), clearly wants to completely destroy any future generations of heroes - or rather, legacy heroes. But still, killin' innocent folks and relatives to ensure hero names stay dead and buried certainly ain't that nice either...

Sean

PS: As the next ish blurb says, "Nazis?! We hate those guys!" \:\-p


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Lonewolf36




Swastika one of the Nazi villains is also a Kingdom Come character.


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clayton




> > Okay. Bear with me.
> > Johns and Ross said in an interview that Starman would be vital to defining the role of the JSA in the new series. And, since it seems like this Starman is from Kingdom Come, I'm willing to bet that he tells the JSA all about how the next generation of heroes come up without any role models and basically run amok and cause the events of KC. The JSA therefore resolve to make sure this doesn't happen and become the..well..for lack of a better word..stewards of the next generation of heroes. It fits in with what the older three members said in the first issue but also gives the series more an urgency.
> >
> > Just a thought.
>
> Well, you're right about the KC bit. They all but confirm Starman is from the Kingdom Come timeline.


Really? I read it as he was the Legionaire Starboy (As revealed in the comic Starman) and ended up in the Kingdom Come reality for a time when he was traveling back to this time. Its the only way it makes sense that he learned the gravity theory in 3rd grade. KC wasnt THAT far into the future.
>
> A bit off, though, regarding the next generation of heroes. Because someone out there, using B-list villains (and now B-list Nazis!), clearly wants to completely destroy any future generations of heroes - or rather, legacy heroes. But still, killin' innocent folks and relatives to ensure hero names stay dead and buried certainly ain't that nice either...
>
> Sean
>
> PS: As the next ish blurb says, "Nazis?! We hate those guys!" \:\-p


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Randall Graves




He said something about this Kenz character and a 10 to 9 vote..... doing some checking, it stems from an Adventure Comic in the 60's. Thom Kallor as Star Boy kills this Kenz Nuhor and is voted out of the Legion by a 10 to 9 vote....... Now, with that in mind:

It could be possible that this Starman is behind it all. If he kills off legacy characters that are descendents of the 10 who voted Thom Kallor off the Legion, it will change the outcome of the vote. Just a theory.......


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David




Mr. Wishful Thinking here (me!) thought it was a scrambled reference to Kent Nelson....but oh well.

How in the heck did you pull up that factoid...how far in your closet did you have to dig for that issue? Very impressive!


> He said something about this Kenz character and a 10 to 9 vote..... doing some checking, it stems from an Adventure Comic in the 60's. Thom Kallor as Star Boy kills this Kenz Nuhor and is voted out of the Legion by a 10 to 9 vote....... Now, with that in mind:
>
> It could be possible that this Starman is behind it all. If he kills off legacy characters that are descendents of the 10 who voted Thom Kallor off the Legion, it will change the outcome of the vote. Just a theory.......


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Seyg-El




> > Well, you're right about the KC bit. They all but confirm Starman is from the Kingdom Come timeline.
>
>
> Really? I read it as he was the Legionaire Starboy (As revealed in the comic Starman) and ended up in the Kingdom Come reality for a time when he was traveling back to this time. Its the only way it makes sense that he learned the gravity theory in 3rd grade. KC wasnt THAT far into the future.

Right, what he was saying is that this Starman was in the KC timeline, whether or not he came from the 31st Century or not. And since it appears to be Thom Kallor, judging from the costume we saw Thom wearing in Starman #80, and the gravity powers Starman showed in JSA #2, it would appear that this Starman is Thom.


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allan-a




> Mr. Wishful Thinking here (me!) thought it was a scrambled reference to Kent Nelson....but oh well.
>
> How in the heck did you pull up that factoid...how far in your closet did you have to dig for that issue? Very impressive!
>
I read that story (The Legionnaire Who Killed) when I was a boy, when it originally came out! Truly an unforgettable tale! I recognized the references in JSA #2 immediately. But how can it fit into today's continuity, when 2 of the 9 votes to aquit Thom were cast by the Superboy and Supergirl who no longer exist? And isn't there a different (black) Thom Kallor in the current Legion series? Aaarrgh, I think my head's gonna explode!!! Help me Geoff!
>
> > He said something about this Kenz character and a 10 to 9 vote..... doing some checking, it stems from an Adventure Comic in the 60's. Thom Kallor as Star Boy kills this Kenz Nuhor and is voted out of the Legion by a 10 to 9 vote....... Now, with that in mind:
> >
> > It could be possible that this Starman is behind it all. If he kills off legacy characters that are descendents of the 10 who voted Thom Kallor off the Legion, it will change the outcome of the vote. Just a theory.......


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punishment




> > > Well, you're right about the KC bit. They all but confirm Starman is from the Kingdom Come timeline.
> >
> >
> > Really? I read it as he was the Legionaire Starboy (As revealed in the comic Starman) and ended up in the Kingdom Come reality for a time when he was traveling back to this time. Its the only way it makes sense that he learned the gravity theory in 3rd grade. KC wasnt THAT far into the future.
>
> Right, what he was saying is that this Starman was in the KC timeline, whether or not he came from the 31st Century or not. And since it appears to be Thom Kallor, judging from the costume we saw Thom wearing in Starman #80, and the gravity powers Starman showed in JSA #2, it would appear that this Starman is Thom.

This Starman is wearing the costume of the Starman from Waid's KC as well.

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Lars




>
> A bit off, though, regarding the next generation of heroes. Because someone out there, using B-list villains (and now B-list Nazis!), clearly wants to completely destroy any future generations of heroes - or rather, legacy heroes. But still, killin' innocent folks and relatives to ensure hero names stay dead and buried certainly ain't that nice either...
>

Those theories don't necessarily conflict. The goal for JSA as a book might be to focus the group on nurturing the continuing generations of heroes, with Starman as the messenger inspiring that focus.

However, that means you've still got to get the JSA in contact with the next generation of heroes in an interesting and believable way. Only so many of them can be expected to walk through the front door.

What better way than having a villian threaten that next generation, for whatever wacky reason, and thus bring the JSA in contact with all its heirs with one all-encompassing storyline? The alternative is having the JSA hopscotch all over the globe, slowly meeting these descendents in a very long and contrived series of stories, many of which may not work out that well creatively.


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DMS




I don't think it has been established that the Starboy in the current LSH series is named Thom Kallor. As far as I know, very few of the "real names" of this version of the LSH have been given.

The last we saw of the "original" Legion, they went to another dimension, kind of voluntarily or something (in the Legion/Teen Titans book that came before the latest reboot of the LSH). Now, members of the old Legion seem to be (SEEM to be) popping up all over--evidently Star Boy here, although that hasn't been established for sure, yet. Dawnstar's forearm (presumably the rest of her to follow) in JSA #1. Mon-El in LSH and, judging by the ads, in Action Comics soon. And, of all characters, Drura Sehpt--Infectious Lass, herself--in Tales of the Unexpected.

There have been hints that there is another Earth, maybe another Earth-2 out there somewhere. Some time ago, someone from DC I think said that the original LSH was the Earth-2 Legion (I could be way off on that point, but I think I read it somewhere). With any kind of luck, this Starman is THAT Star Boy, wandering through the Kingdom Come universe from that Earth-2 on his to the JSA.


> > Mr. Wishful Thinking here (me!) thought it was a scrambled reference to Kent Nelson....but oh well.
> >
> > How in the heck did you pull up that factoid...how far in your closet did you have to dig for that issue? Very impressive!
> >
> I read that story (The Legionnaire Who Killed) when I was a boy, when it originally came out! Truly an unforgettable tale! I recognized the references in JSA #2 immediately. But how can it fit into today's continuity, when 2 of the 9 votes to aquit Thom were cast by the Superboy and Supergirl who no longer exist? And isn't there a different (black) Thom Kallor in the current Legion series? Aaarrgh, I think my head's gonna explode!!! Help me Geoff!
> >
> > > He said something about this Kenz character and a 10 to 9 vote..... doing some checking, it stems from an Adventure Comic in the 60's. Thom Kallor as Star Boy kills this Kenz Nuhor and is voted out of the Legion by a 10 to 9 vote....... Now, with that in mind:
> > >
> > > It could be possible that this Starman is behind it all. If he kills off legacy characters that are descendents of the 10 who voted Thom Kallor off the Legion, it will change the outcome of the vote. Just a theory.......


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Tenzel Kim




> There have been hints that there is another Earth, maybe another Earth-2 out there somewhere. Some time ago, someone from DC I think said that the original LSH was the Earth-2 Legion (I could be way off on that point, but I think I read it somewhere).

I believe it was the post-Zero Hour Legion which has been stated to be the Earth-2 Legion. They were inspired by Superman whereas the original was inspired by Superboy who was an Earth-1 character.

Tenz.


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DMS




That sounds about right. Thanks.

It seems like more than just one of those characters is finding his or her way to "this" Earth, assuming this Starman is Thom Kallor, and that arm belongs to that Dawnstar. And the Infectious Lass who turns up in Tales of the Unexpected this month is that Infectious Lass. Maybe some serious wall-pounding combined with some crazy Zeta Beam defracting and Monitors monitoring have combined to open up a tunnel between universes or dimensions or ElsewhereHyperTimeAltRetCon places.

> > There have been hints that there is another Earth, maybe another Earth-2 out there somewhere. Some time ago, someone from DC I think said that the original LSH was the Earth-2 Legion (I could be way off on that point, but I think I read it somewhere).
>
> I believe it was the post-Zero Hour Legion which has been stated to be the Earth-2 Legion. They were inspired by Superman whereas the original was inspired by Superboy who was an Earth-1 character.
>
> Tenz.


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Exile




> There have been hints that there is another Earth, maybe another Earth-2 out there somewhere. Some time ago, someone from DC I think said that the original LSH was the Earth-2 Legion (I could be way off on that point, but I think I read it somewhere).

That would make me happy.

E!


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King.Hyperion




PRE-COIE there was no E2 LSH. LSH was tied very directly to the Silver Age via Superboy. I would like to see the version of the Legion that existed just prior to the Waid Legion make a comeback; it had most of the characters we all knew, but with much better names and backstories.




> > There have been hints that there is another Earth, maybe another Earth-2 out there somewhere. Some time ago, someone from DC I think said that the original LSH was the Earth-2 Legion (I could be way off on that point, but I think I read it somewhere).
>
> That would make me happy.
>
> E!


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