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Talezite




Hello all. Just dusted off a few old issues and lo and behold I found a JSA story in my old issues of Adventure comics. The plot deals with the man who beat the JSA and it ties into the time in the 50's when they disbanded due to Mc carthyism ,etc and that they would not reveal thier identites to the genral populance. All that said there was a couple of interesting things in that issue....1)The comment made on satilite tech being "future" or "alien" (given the time period the story was told at that is understandable) 2) Black Canary uses her "canary amulet" which held some kind of molecular acid...and here I thought only Bats had things like that ;\) 3) the identity of the Man Who Deafeated the JSA was left unresolved...does anyone know who this might be?? I was thinking it could have been Per Degeton but hey thats a wild guess...All in all it was cool and had a nice exchange and a "race" bewteen the Huntress and Power girl that the Huntress basically wins by jumping down a stairwell.

good reading to you all


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Scott




> the identity of the Man Who Deafeated the JSA was left unresolved...does anyone know who this might be?? I was thinking it could have been Per Degeton but hey thats a wild guess.

IIRC this was resolved in the America vs. the Justice Society mini-series.

Scott


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Talezite




> > the identity of the Man Who Deafeated the JSA was left unresolved...does anyone know who this might be?? I was thinking it could have been Per Degeton but hey thats a wild guess.
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> IIRC this was resolved in the America vs. the Justice Society mini-series.


Cool cool I will have to check that out. Anyone have a synopsis of said issues? I knew about the commitee on Unamerican activities but never knew the specifics.
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> Scott


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The Rev




What you have there is actually the first telling of the story of the disbanding of the JSA and why it happened. It is the final issue of an arc of stories that began in Adventure 461 which picked up after All Star Comics was cancelled with issue 74. These are all actually some pretty good stories which have only recently been collected in trade as Justice Society of America vol. 1 & 2. Long story short, the disbanding of the JSA was brought about because the HUAC decided that they could not be trusted if they would not remove their masks and expose their identities to the American people. This is the implication of the man who defeated the JSA. He was just a man on the committee rather than a villain or someone they lost a great battle to. It was their choice in order to protest the distrust the administration and the HUAC and to protect their families.

This is mentioned in America vs the Justice Society but the difference is that in that particular mini-series, the team was being accused of being traitors during WWII by a journal written by Batman which was found after his death. This story took place during the current timeline which would have been the early 80s rather than 1951 when the team was brought before HUAC. The nature of the mini-series was kind of a recap of all of the exploits of the JSA while the mystery of why Batman would have written all of these lies about them was taking place. It was actually a pretty good story but unfortunately it has been considered to be Out of Continuity since Crisis so pretty much the whole thing never happened. Of course now that Infinite Crisis has brought Earth 2 back to the playing field and we have seen the ghost of the E2 Batman in JSA I guess anything is possible.

The Rev


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Commander Benson




A SPOT-ON ACCOUNT of the "last case of the Justice Society", Rev--except for one small detail.

Actually, it's a detail that I found rather amazing that Paul Levitz was aware enough to insert.

As you related, the thrust of "The Defeat of the Justice Society" (which is the actual title of the story), from Adventure Comics # 466 (Dec., 1979), is that the JSA was brought down, not by super-villains, but by a mechanism of America's own government. And Levitz inserted--but did not name--a look-alike of real-life Senator Joseph McCarthy into the story.

The detail which I found it impressive that Levitz caught is, if he wanted to use McCarthy or a McCarthy-like character, in his story, then he could not use the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). This was because, in the real world, as a senator, Joseph McCarthy never sat--and could never sit--on HUAC, a House of Representatives committee.

This is a fact that eludes almost everyone. (Senator McCarthy actually sat on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.) But Levitz was savvy enough to know that, so in "The Defeat of the Justice Society", the committee before which the JSA appeared was the Combined Congressional Un-American Activities Committee, a joint House-Senate committee. Thus, Levitz could insert his Senator McCarthy character and still conform to Congressional parlamentary procedure.

This was continued in the "America Versus the Justice Society" mini-series (Jan. through Apr., 1985), written by Roy Thomas, in which the committee was called alternately "the Combined Congressional Un-American Activities Committee" or "the Joint Congressional Un-Activities Committee".

Thomas did undo one aspect of Levitz' story, though. Where Levitz included a Joseph McCarthy character on the committee in his story, America Versus the Justice Society did not. Thomas' tale insisted that Senator McCarthy had been killed in an automobile accident prior to the hearing at which the JSA disbanded, and a senator named O'Fallon took his place.

I often--justifiably--berate DC's writers for their sloppiness in getting facts right, but in this case, Paul Levitz showed exceptional attention to detail.


Commander Benson


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Talezite




> A SPOT-ON ACCOUNT of the "last case of the Justice Society", Rev--except for one small detail.
>
> Actually, it's a detail that I found rather amazing that Paul Levitz was aware enough to insert.
>
> As you related, the thrust of "The Defeat of the Justice Society" (which is the actual title of the story), from Adventure Comics # 466 (Dec., 1979), is that the JSA was brought down, not by super-villains, but by a mechanism of America's own government. And Levitz inserted--but did not name--a look-alike of real-life Senator Joseph McCarthy into the story.
>
> The detail which I found it impressive that Levitz caught is, if he wanted to use McCarthy or a McCarthy-like character, in his story, then he could not use the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). This was because, in the real world, as a senator, Joseph McCarthy never sat--and could never sit--on HUAC, a House of Representatives committee.
>
> This is a fact that eludes almost everyone. (Senator McCarthy actually sat on the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.) But Levitz was savvy enough to know that, so in "The Defeat of the Justice Society", the committee before which the JSA appeared was the Combined Congressional Un-American Activities Committee, a joint House-Senate committee. Thus, Levitz could insert his Senator McCarthy character and still conform to Congressional parlamentary procedure.
>
> This was continued in the "America Versus the Justice Society" mini-series (Jan. through Apr., 1985), written by Roy Thomas, in which the committee was called alternately "the Combined Congressional Un-American Activities Committee" or "the Joint Congressional Un-Activities Committee".
>
> Thomas did undo one aspect of Levitz' story, though. Where Levitz included a Joseph McCarthy character on the committee in his story, America Versus the Justice Society did not. Thomas' tale insisted that Senator McCarthy had been killed in an automobile accident prior to the hearing at which the JSA disbanded, and a senator named O'Fallon took his place.
>
> I often--justafibly--berate DC's writers for their sloppiness in getting facts right, but in this case, Paul Levitz showed exceptional attention to detail.
>
>
> Commander Benson


Great knowledge here! Well done all! I am going to my local comics store and try to get the Thomas JSA America vs the Justice Society. I bearly remember those issues coming out at the time but then again the first time I even knew comic book stores even exsisted was 1984. (before then it was buying them at the local 7-11 or occasional bookstore if you were lucky.) I am continued to be impressed with JSA and its nice to pick up a little history lesson thrown in some entertainment. Also as a side note I am up to the issue in 52 where it looks like the JSA is going to disband??! It looks promising so far and I like the concept of 52 alot, the whole filling in the missing year of continuity is very impressive from a writing point of view and I can't think of anything that was like that before...as always good reading to you all.


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The Rev




I am continued to be impressed with JSA and its nice to pick up a little history lesson thrown in some entertainment.

I'm like you, I love this kind of thing too. That being said, you will love America vs. the JSA because on the inside front and back covers are text histories of the JSA and a lot of the events going on during the time that most of the stories referred to in the mini-series take place. There are also pretty complete lists of actual issues and numbers in which the flashbacks and events took place going all the way back to All Star Comics #3. Thomas was always good at doing this kind of thing and it is actually one of the things that I have enjoyed about picking up the All Star Archives that he prefaced. I hope you enjoy the mini.

The Rev

BTW - Thanks for the correction Commander Benson, I never knew that.


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Talezite




> I am continued to be impressed with JSA and its nice to pick up a little history lesson thrown in some entertainment.
>
> I'm like you, I love this kind of thing too. That being said, you will love America vs. the JSA because on the inside front and back covers are text histories of the JSA and a lot of the events going on during the time that most of the stories referred to in the mini-series take place. There are also pretty complete lists of actual issues and numbers in which the flashbacks and events took place going all the way back to All Star Comics #3. Thomas was always good at doing this kind of thing and it is actually one of the things that I have enjoyed about picking up the All Star Archives that he prefaced. I hope you enjoy the mini.
>
> The Rev
>
> BTW - Thanks for the correction Commander Benson, I never knew that.


Just wanted to say Rev that I got the first issue today and my local store is seeing what he can do about getting the other issues from his storage-wharehouse. I am hoping I can get the rest though my local guy as I do not want to have to go through Milehighcomics and pay through the nose lol...Long live JSA! as always good reading to you all.


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zilch




I always thought that Eliminations Inc was a proxy organization controlled by the Manhunters, using it to get rid of this last clump of heroes (and Earth's Green Lantern!) once and for all.

zilch





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