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little kon-el




The conversation below made me think that the only thing that Crisis on the Infinite Earths gave us was the notion of legacies. Before Crisis, most of the heroes were their own men. Barry Allen read comics, but he didn't really take on the GA Flash's legacy...he took a name from what he thought was a fictional character. It would be like Batman taking on the name Sherlock Holmes because he admired the character.

What Crisis gave us was the notion of legacies. And the years and years later, we seem to be utilizing legacies more and more.

When we one world, it made sense to create character legacies. But now, that we may have multiple worlds...is there a need for legacy characters?

- little kon-el


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Talezite




> The conversation below made me think that the only thing that Crisis on the Infinite Earths gave us was the notion of legacies. Before Crisis, most of the heroes were their own men. Barry Allen read comics, but he didn't really take on the GA Flash's legacy...he took a name from what he thought was a fictional character. It would be like Batman taking on the name Sherlock Holmes because he admired the character.
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> What Crisis gave us was the notion of legacies. And the years and years later, we seem to be utilizing legacies more and more.
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> When we one world, it made sense to create character legacies. But now, that we may have multiple worlds...is there a need for legacy characters?
>
> - little kon-el


I believe the short answer would be "yes". It gives the writers some room to flex thier creative muscles but to me what its important is a sense of continuity in a good story. DC seems to do this better than Marvel (this coming from a former marvel zombie lol) and I think your observations on the after effects of COIE is interesting. All that said its not neccessary, always, for characters to have defined legacies and I think it can be cool to figure out the characters individual story as we go along for the ride as the audience. All that said I am a little hazy on the status of the DCU and I have finally caught up on all my issues of 52! I think its back to a multiverse but I am unsure what happened to the concept of Hypertime and all that. For me I like to see new ideas explored and I have to hand it to Dc for shaking thier "status quo" every once and awhile and taking the time to explore some new incarnations of heroes. Random question...anyone know if Dcs super powered characters are still called "metas" or if the Dominiator War or the Meta bomb is still responsible for the super people in the DCU. As always good reading to you all.


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Jon Walker




> The conversation below made me think that the only thing that Crisis on the Infinite Earths gave us was the notion of legacies. Before Crisis, most of the heroes were their own men. Barry Allen read comics, but he didn't really take on the GA Flash's legacy...he took a name from what he thought was a fictional character. It would be like Batman taking on the name Sherlock Holmes because he admired the character.
>

Granted, the first members of II weren't actual legacies in name, but they were the next generation of the original heroes - carrying on the legacy of superheroes. Of course, that was because most of those original heroes were still active on Earth 2 so there was no need to have a legacy for the character have the same name.

Unlike their Earth 1 counterparts, the Earth 2 heroes were allowed to age, marry, have children, and at least semi-retire. Because of that, there would be the opportunity for and the eventual need for legacy heroes. Without that factor, I doubt if there would be near the number of legacy heroes that there are today.

Jon


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little kon-el




Since we only had one Earth, wasn't the steam taken out of Infinity Inc? I mean, the JLA is considered the inheritors of the JSA's legacy post-crisis, so it makes the Infinity Inc stories seems a bit dated. In the original story, the JSA was the only team that these kids could join. Post-Crisis, many of these kids could've just joined the JLA (which would make an awesome story, btw) or formed their own group right away rather than joining the JSA.

I'd actually like to see a story where J'onn breaks up the JLA after the alien invasion, but then decides to sign up the JSA kids to be the new JLA. That would've made an awesome story.

- little kon-el


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Jon Walker




> Since we only had one Earth, wasn't the steam taken out of Infinity Inc? I mean, the JLA is considered the inheritors of the JSA's legacy post-crisis, so it makes the Infinity Inc stories seems a bit dated. In the original story, the JSA was the only team that these kids could join. Post-Crisis, many of these kids could've just joined the JLA (which would make an awesome story, btw) or formed their own group right away rather than joining the JSA.
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But I think the story could have still been that they wanted to join the team their parents had founded. Of course, with the many revisions post-Crisis I don't even think the JSA was active then, so their legacies should have just been able to form their own JSA team.

One of the problems of having a rolling timeline for all other heroes but keeping the JSA roots in the 1940's. When Infinity Inc. first came out the JSA'ers were in their 60's so they could still be at least semi-active.

> I'd actually like to see a story where J'onn breaks up the JLA after the alien invasion, but then decides to sign up the JSA kids to be the new JLA. That would've made an awesome story.
>

It would make more sense in the post-Crisis world for that to have happened rather than have a separate team. Personally, I liked them the way they were pre-crisis on different worlds. Of course, they never checked with me before merging the earths... ;\-\)

Jon


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Ohotmu the all-knowing




> The conversation below made me think that the only thing that Crisis on the Infinite Earths gave us was the notion of legacies. Before Crisis, most of the heroes were their own men. Barry Allen read comics, but he didn't really take on the GA Flash's legacy...he took a name from what he thought was a fictional character. It would be like Batman taking on the name Sherlock Holmes because he admired the character.
>
> What Crisis gave us was the notion of legacies. And the years and years later, we seem to be utilizing legacies more and more.
>
> When we one world, it made sense to create character legacies. But now, that we may have multiple worlds...is there a need for legacy characters?
>
> - little kon-el


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Omar Karindu




Since the first year of the title took such pains to show that the JSA were at least still semi-active.

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey


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Scott




> Since the first year of the title took such pains to show that the JSA were at least still semi-active.
>
> - Omar Karindu
>
> "A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
> displeased me." -- Doctor Doom
>
> "It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey





Scott


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