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Daveym




I confess to being dissapointed with the Current Starman, with such a well regarded legacy is it too much to expect a character actually worthy of the name?!
For example I was a fan of the will Payton version of the Character, an all new take on the concept and pretty interesting at that, but with Thom Kallor we have someone with *Zero* potential it seems to me.

The Zany/addled act is old already and his powers and costume are... lacking. I just can't (forgive this pun!) see a future for this Starman. I'd like a recast for the role...

Thoughts?



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Fastback




To be honest. I want this Starman to go back to the future and stay away. If you are going to do a JSA-Starman. At least have him resemble the original guy. It would at least make me feel like picking up a book called, JSA. Not to see some crazy guy in a body suit with star glitter all over him. That is not my cup of tea. Get rid of him





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Tenzel Kim




> To be honest. I want this Starman to go back to the future and stay away. If you are going to do a JSA-Starman. At least have him resemble the original guy.

But they are NOT doing a JSA-Starman. They are using a LSH-Starman in JSA so changing him to look like the old Starman wouldn't really make any sense. That being said I agree that he doesn't really fit in the JSA and to be quite honest I don't really see the point of having him around. I mean it's not like he's doing much more than walking around revealing stuff he shouldn't and that nobody really understands. What made the team think including him would be a good idea?

Tenz.


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Mikel Midnight




I don't have any nostalgia for the original costume (though the fin on his head has a certain retro charm), and Thom Kallor was announced as the evident JSA Starman years ago ... in Jack Knight's series if nothing else.

I'd have been happy to have Mikaal Tomas in the role, but don't really care.


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Zazu




Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.

And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!


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Talezite




> Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.
>
> And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!


To me I like the character of Starman alot and I am sure I am like most here who tremendously liked Robinsons run. I read a few issues of the Will Payton Starman in college and thought the character had potential but to me he seemed underused in the DCU as a whole, I am sure there are great issues with him in it but I have not read them.
I think the point of the LSH type Starman in the JSA is to show the whole impact of the heroic legacy the JSA has and continues to have on the DCU heroes. Surely there is a nostalgia factor (that can be hard to express the familarity of the characters to new readers) as I remember the Starman (or Star boy) character from the Legion as a kid and will always have fond memories of him, Chamelon boy, Wildfire, Mon-el, etc but I think they are trying to go somewhere with this all. Trying Kingdom Come into the mainstream DCU would seem daunting at first but I think there can be some cool plotlines that come from this.
In the first run of the JSa early on Jack Knight was kind of in the background to me and that was a little dissapointing but I imagine the writers felt the need to put the other characters in the spotlight. That said it seems differant now and I hope we get a good 2-3 year run with the story of Thom Kallor and see how the legacies of the JSA and the Legion of Super heroes are tied together. They both have Mordru as a main villain now and thats cool by me. I have to wonder if the Legion fought Vandal Savage to any extent as both Mordru and Savage are long lived "immortal" antagonists.

good reading to you all


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CSBlakebrough




> Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.
>
> And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!

And whilst i'm probably on my own here, i'd like it to pick up where it left off, just before Zero Hour completely reset it (Yes i know the original crisis buggered it about a bit by 'removing' superboy from continuity but i rather liked where it ended up going just before Zero Hour.

Carl S Blakebrough
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Zazu




> > Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.
> >
> > And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!
>
> And whilst i'm probably on my own here, i'd like it to pick up where it left off, just before Zero Hour completely reset it (Yes i know the original crisis buggered it about a bit by 'removing' superboy from continuity but i rather liked where it ended up going just before Zero Hour.

Hmmm.... While I liked the "5 year gap" stories, I think I'd rather go back to the early-mid eighties version. I dunno. Hard to pinpoint exactly where to "re-introduce" the LSH. They do have an uninterupted history through the Magic Wars that ended their Baxter series. It would be easier if Karate Kid hadn't just been re-introduced since he died early in the Baxter series. (But that can be explained away easily due to time travel.)


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omniac




> > Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.
> >
> > And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!
>
> And whilst i'm probably on my own here, i'd like it to pick up where it left off, just before Zero Hour completely reset it (Yes i know the original crisis buggered it about a bit by 'removing' superboy from continuity but i rather liked where it ended up going just before Zero Hour.
>

You mean you actually liked having two sets of Legions, one set adults and the other teen-agers with a question hanging over them of which were the clones?

That was too much, even for me. Still, I thought Dragonmage had potential.

Cheers,
Neil


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CSBlakebrough




> > > Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.
> > >
> > > And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!
> >
> > And whilst i'm probably on my own here, i'd like it to pick up where it left off, just before Zero Hour completely reset it (Yes i know the original crisis buggered it about a bit by 'removing' superboy from continuity but i rather liked where it ended up going just before Zero Hour.
> >
>
> You mean you actually liked having two sets of Legions, one set adults and the other teen-agers with a question hanging over them of which were the clones?
>
> That was too much, even for me. Still, I thought Dragonmage had potential.

Actually, whislt i didn't mind that plot thread it was more the stuff like blowing up the Earth - the fact you couldn't second guess where the book would go. things actually changed characters grew...

Besides the two legion set up (had they not reset the whole thing) meant that those who wanted a youthful legion could have had it and the rest of us could follow the older guys - best of both worlds!

But no that wasn't good enough for DC and they had to reset the whole damn thing. \:\(


> Cheers,
> Neil

Carl S Blakebrough
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Daveym




> > > > Jack didn't stick around very long in the last series (maybe 15-20 issues?). I don't expect Thom to stay long either.
> > > >
> > > > And yes, a new "old" LSH title would be great!
> > >
> > > And whilst i'm probably on my own here, i'd like it to pick up where it left off, just before Zero Hour completely reset it (Yes i know the original crisis buggered it about a bit by 'removing' superboy from continuity but i rather liked where it ended up going just before Zero Hour.
> > >
> >
> > You mean you actually liked having two sets of Legions, one set adults and the other teen-agers with a question hanging over them of which were the clones?
> >
> > That was too much, even for me. Still, I thought Dragonmage had potential.
>
> Actually, whislt i didn't mind that plot thread it was more the stuff like blowing up the Earth - the fact you couldn't second guess where the book would go. things actually changed characters grew...
>
> Besides the two legion set up (had they not reset the whole thing) meant that those who wanted a youthful legion could have had it and the rest of us could follow the older guys - best of both worlds!
>
> But no that wasn't good enough for DC and they had to reset the whole damn thing. \:\(
>
>
I always felt that destroying earth was the last straw for the book - nowhere left to go without our world to focus on.

At the time I loved the book and this is the run that got me really interested, but in hindsight it's all too easy to see that the Five year Gap and the way it developed was a huge huge mistake for the overall future of the book, it had the worst of starts as Giffen had to cope with retconning Superboy right out of history despite the fact he was friggin DEAD and gone!! I hated the editorial jostling that was responsible for that one and the sick joke of it was that just over a year later it was the Superman team themselves (Adventures 478) who reinstated Superboys place in the Legion *gah* *rhe*





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