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Ziggy




I had a doubt about the new E-2 which appears in 52. Ok, so there is 52 identical earths, but after Mr. Mind eated time and space all the earth became different. But that means this earth is exactly identical to the Pre-Crisis E-2 or is a post-crisis E-2? I mean,OK, Supes, Bats and Wondy are from that time, and there is a JSA and everything. But, in this earth, there is an Hal Jordan, a Barry Allen, a Ray Palmer? Other people like the new Mr. Terrific? There is a Zatanna,daugther of Zattara? There is another version of Captain Marvel? Will they meet the JSA of New Earth?


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ZeroEpiphany




I interpreted it as that being Earth 2 had Earth 2 not been destroyed during Crisis on Infinite Earths. That's why Superman (Kal-L) and Powergirl (Kara Zor-L), the only two Kryptonians on that earth, are missing because Superman was in Limbo with other refugees like Alexander Luthor, his Lois and Superboy Prime; and Power Girl survived into the Earth we've been reading for the past 20 years.
Also, in the original Crisis, Helena Wayne (daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle) depicted returning to her apartment to learn that the locks were different and that her parents' graves were gone, because she and her parents (as she knew them) never existed.
Also, at the end of the first arc of JSA, Obsidian learns that Sandman had a dream about Infinity Inc, wherein Jade is still alive although Huntress (post-Crisis) had never been a member of InfInc, was also present.
Thoughts?

> I had a doubt about the new E-2 which appears in 52. Ok, so there is 52 identical earths, but after Mr. Mind eated time and space all the earth became different. But that means this earth is exactly identical to the Pre-Crisis E-2 or is a post-crisis E-2? I mean,OK, Supes, Bats and Wondy are from that time, and there is a JSA and everything. But, in this earth, there is an Hal Jordan, a Barry Allen, a Ray Palmer? Other people like the new Mr. Terrific? There is a Zatanna,daugther of Zattara? There is another version of Captain Marvel? Will they meet the JSA of New Earth?


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Beowulf




> I had a doubt about the new E-2 which appears in 52. Ok, so there is 52 identical earths, but after Mr. Mind eated time and space all the earth became different. But that means this earth is exactly identical to the Pre-Crisis E-2 or is a post-crisis E-2? I mean,OK, Supes, Bats and Wondy are from that time, and there is a JSA and everything. But, in this earth, there is an Hal Jordan, a Barry Allen, a Ray Palmer? Other people like the new Mr. Terrific? There is a Zatanna,daugther of Zattara? There is another version of Captain Marvel? Will they meet the JSA of New Earth?

Why shouldn't there a Hal Jordan, Barry Allen and Ray Palmer living on Earth 2 as well.
There was also a Earth 1 version of Johnny Thunder, if i remember correctly. If i found out that versions of these heroes i remember from the JSA/JLA-meetings existed also on my world, i might be tempted to make them heroes as well.


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Niddle




> I interpreted it as that being Earth 2 had Earth 2 not been destroyed during Crisis on Infinite Earths. That's why Superman (Kal-L) and Powergirl (Kara Zor-L), the only two Kryptonians on that earth, are missing because Superman was in Limbo with other refugees like Alexander Luthor, his Lois and Superboy Prime; and Power Girl survived into the Earth we've been reading for the past 20 years.
> Also, in the original Crisis, Helena Wayne (daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle) depicted returning to her apartment to learn that the locks were different and that her parents' graves were gone, because she and her parents (as she knew them) never existed.
> Also, at the end of the first arc of JSA, Obsidian learns that Sandman had a dream about Infinity Inc, wherein Jade is still alive although Huntress (post-Crisis) had never been a member of InfInc, was also present.
> Thoughts?


Doesn't this "new Earth-2" have its own Jay Garrick, for example?

If so, then how can we say Power Girl and Kal-L have been "missing"? Wouldn't Jay be missing there too, and yet he's not?

I dunno. Maybe I'm just not getting a few things here. Wish I could keep up with all the books but it's just not possible. If it weren't for boards like this one...


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Niddle




> I had a doubt about the new E-2 which appears in 52. Ok, so there is 52 identical earths but after Mr. Mind eated time and space all the earth became different....


Mister Mind ATE time and space? \:\-\|

And this led to the Earths diverging from one another?


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Sandman




> I had a doubt about the new E-2 which appears in 52. Ok, so there is 52 identical earths, but after Mr. Mind eated time and space all the earth became different. But that means this earth is exactly identical to the Pre-Crisis E-2 or is a post-crisis E-2? I mean,OK, Supes, Bats and Wondy are from that time, and there is a JSA and everything. But, in this earth, there is an Hal Jordan, a Barry Allen, a Ray Palmer? Other people like the new Mr. Terrific? There is a Zatanna,daugther of Zattara? There is another version of Captain Marvel? Will they meet the JSA of New Earth?

I would say that this is the post-crisis earth 2 and a patch to fill up the gap which is the fact that Powergirl and E2 Superman, who's body is buried in new earth, are time/space outsiders and nature abhors a vacuum, but this isn't the earth 2 universe that they were born in since the first earth 2 became part of the new earth after the first crisis like earth 1 and the other remaining earths. a life raft to save what was left by adjusting the vibrational frequencies to make them the same so they would mix and become one because of desperate times.

Because of this, her JSA became natives to the new earth, while she again is a time/space outsider which is why there's a Supergirl in the new earth which is her alternate self.


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Sandman




> > I interpreted it as that being Earth 2 had Earth 2 not been destroyed during Crisis on Infinite Earths. That's why Superman (Kal-L) and Powergirl (Kara Zor-L), the only two Kryptonians on that earth, are missing because Superman was in Limbo with other refugees like Alexander Luthor, his Lois and Superboy Prime; and Power Girl survived into the Earth we've been reading for the past 20 years.
> > Also, in the original Crisis, Helena Wayne (daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle) depicted returning to her apartment to learn that the locks were different and that her parents' graves were gone, because she and her parents (as she knew them) never existed.
> > Also, at the end of the first arc of JSA, Obsidian learns that Sandman had a dream about Infinity Inc, wherein Jade is still alive although Huntress (post-Crisis) had never been a member of InfInc, was also present.
> > Thoughts?
>
>
> Doesn't this "new Earth-2" have its own Jay Garrick, for example?
>
> If so, then how can we say Power Girl and Kal-L have been "missing"? Wouldn't Jay be missing there too, and yet he's not?

Jay was made a native to the post-crisis earth, which was like a life raft to save those who survived, mixing the remaining earths into one, while Powergirl, like E2 Superman and the other three, is a space/time outsider which is why new earth has a Supergirl, Powergirl's alternate self, because Powergirl wasn't suppose to exist anymore but a fluke saved her.

The earth 2 "2" I believe is based on "nature abhors a vacuum, and since Powergirl, and E2 Superman's body, was on new earth when 52 happened, repair work on the anomalies, perhaps by the Monitors, were done by taking advantage to what Mister Mind was doing and turned one of the 52 universes into a new earth 2 as a patch to seal up the gap in case Powergirl and E2 Superman's existence was threatening the fabric of time/space since they weren't suppose to exist anymore which is probably why E2 Superman, Superboy Prime, Alex Luthor, and Lois Lane had to stay in that pocket universe, while Powergirl alone wasn't a big enough threat to the fabric of the DC universe.
>
> I dunno. Maybe I'm just not getting a few things here. Wish I could keep up with all the books but it's just not possible. If it weren't for boards like this one...


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SkullAngel




It hasn't even been a week yet and ALREADY this is proving to be a massive PAIN IN THE ASS.....

Here's hoping DC does ALOT to clean up all this confusion....

...and now my head hurts....


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Niddle




> It hasn't even been a week yet and ALREADY this is proving to be a massive PAIN IN THE ASS.....
>
> Here's hoping DC does ALOT to clean up all this confusion....
>
> ...and now my head hurts....


I've got a bottle of Excedrine we can share. It's already open. ;->




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Mikel Midnight




Plus, wasn't there the alternative Star-Spangled Kid who popped up in Justice Society some time back? Wouldn't he have been from this Earth-2?


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Sandman




> Plus, wasn't there the alternative Star-Spangled Kid who popped up in Justice Society some time back? Wouldn't he have been from this Earth-2?

If you're talking about the girl, no ones really sure, but as the other one before her, he came from the original earth 2 and survived because earth 1 and the other earths didn't have an alternate version of him, while Powergirl and E2 Superman did.

And just in case, no, the JLA and JSA Flashes and Green Lanterns aren't the same because they're not alternate versions of each other, that's why they both exist on post-crisis earth.

E1 Superman and E2 Superman, as well as Powergirl and Supergirl, are actually the same person but from different realities and only one of the two could exist in the new reality while Powergirl was a fluke.

Because Powergirl, and E2 Superman's body, still exist and are on new earth, I would say that the new earth 2 is a means to stabilize Powergirl's existence, even thought this isn't her earth 2, as well as E2 Superman's body.


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