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Niddle




....about the new Earth-2.

Okay, are there or are there NOT additional versions of the JSA heroes living there? (For example, it has its own versions of Jay Garrick and Alan Scott?)

Plus, it also has its own versions of Ray Palmer and Hal Jordan? Are they also a GL and an "Atom", with the traditional powers we'd expect? If so, where'd Hal get his ring from? Is there an Oa in the reality of this new "Earth-2"?

Also, is Power Girl's origin being altered again, with it being said that she's actually from this new Earth-2, but she's not Kryptonian? AGAIN?

Oh...and what's this about Mr. Mind EATING spacetime, and the 52 new worlds resulting? (I thought they were created by Superboy Prime's and Alex Luthor's machine.)

Also, are these 52 Earths in the same universe as the mainstream DC Earth, but in other parts of the galaxy (or maybe even in OTHER galaxies), or are they in entirely separate universes, right where Earth is supposed to be, but in THOSE realities?

PLEASE catch me up with the essentials.

Thanks.


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Peter Svensson




> ....about the new Earth-2.

Keep in mind that we just about NOTHING about the new multiverse. (Megaverse?)

> Okay, are there or are there NOT additional versions of the JSA heroes living there? (For example, it has its own versions of Jay Garrick and Alan Scott?)

It appears to have its own versions of JSA members who exist on New Earth.

> Plus, it also has its own versions of Ray Palmer and Hal Jordan? Are they also a GL and an "Atom", with the traditional powers we'd expect? If so, where'd Hal get his ring from? Is there an Oa in the reality of this new "Earth-2"?

We don't know about if there is a Ray Palmer or Hal Jordan on Earth-2. Pre-Crisis they had established that the GLC only existed on Earth-1. That is likely to be the case post-Infinite, with the GLC only existing in New Earth's reality. But we still don't know if that's the case.

> Also, is Power Girl's origin being altered again, with it being said that she's actually from this new Earth-2, but she's not Kryptonian? AGAIN?

No. Her origin still stands.

> Oh...and what's this about Mr. Mind EATING spacetime, and the 52 new worlds resulting? (I thought they were created by Superboy Prime's and Alex Luthor's machine.)

No. The machine created the 52 worlds as exact replicas of the mainstream DC universe, but Mister Mind's cosmic rampage changed each of the other worlds into alternate versions.

> Also, are these 52 Earths in the same universe as the mainstream DC Earth, but in other parts of the galaxy (or maybe even in OTHER galaxies), or are they in entirely separate universes, right where Earth is supposed to be, but in THOSE realities?

I believe that they are in alternate realities seperated by vibrational barriers. As every other instance of alternate realities at DC has been.

Everything else, we shall wait and see.

Peter Svensson


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Niddle




This one part throws me-

"No. The machine created the 52 worlds as exact replicas of the mainstream DC universe, but Mister Mind's cosmic rampage changed each of the other worlds into alternate versions.

I thought Alex and Prime were trying to create DIFFERENT realities, and that's why they were forcing together different versions of Earth, trying for a "just right" reality.

Why (and HOW) is it now being said that each world/reality created was identical to the mainstream? I mean, didn't we even SEE that the new worlds were variants?

Also, WHAT cosmic rampage on the part of Mr. Mind? I wasn't aware of that part, and that's part of what I wanted to know. (And again, if the worlds were already different, how can HE now be said to have caused the differences? Were Alex and Prime working with him to alter each world their machine created?)

Side point:
I only asked about Power Girl, Ray Palmer, and Hal because of some things said further down on the board. Someone seemed to suggest that Ray and Hal also exist on the new Earth-2, and someone else said something about PG's origin.




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Gernot





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> > Plus, it also has its own versions of Ray Palmer and Hal Jordan? Are they also a GL and an "Atom", with the traditional powers we'd expect? If so, where'd Hal get his ring from? Is there an Oa in the reality of this new "Earth-2"?
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> We don't know about if there is a Ray Palmer or Hal Jordan on Earth-2. Pre-Crisis they had established that the GLC only existed on Earth-1. That is likely to be the case post-Infinite, with the GLC only existing in New Earth's reality. But we still don't know if that's the case.
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> Peter Svensson

Yeah, but Post-COIE, they DID reveal that at least one other universe DID have an Oa in the Multiverse.

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Niddle




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> ...Post-COIE, they DID reveal that at least one other universe DID have an Oa in the Multiverse.
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> Gernot...


But there weren't any other universes after COIE. \:\-\|


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Seyg-El




> This one part throws me-
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> "No. The machine created the 52 worlds as exact replicas of the mainstream DC universe, but Mister Mind's cosmic rampage changed each of the other worlds into alternate versions.
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> I thought Alex and Prime were trying to create DIFFERENT realities, and that's why they were forcing together different versions of Earth, trying for a "just right" reality.
>
> Why (and HOW) is it now being said that each world/reality created was identical to the mainstream? I mean, didn't we even SEE that the new worlds were variants?


Alex used his tuning fork to separate the post-Crisis earth into the multiverse. When Superboy died destroying the fork during his fight with Superboy-Prime, it all recombined. However, there was too much energy left for the one Earth to handle, and the Earth copied itself so that there were 52 identical Earths.


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> Also, WHAT cosmic rampage on the part of Mr. Mind? I wasn't aware of that part, and that's part of what I wanted to know. (And again, if the worlds were already different, how can HE now be said to have caused the differences? Were Alex and Prime working with him to alter each world their machine created?)

All of this is in 52 #52, Mr. Mind's new form feeds on space and time. He was chasing Rip Hunter, Booster, and Supernova around the new multiverse, and feeding at the same time...the bits of spacetime he ate on every Earth they visited changed the exact copy into something different.


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> Side point:
> I only asked about Power Girl, Ray Palmer, and Hal because of some things said further down on the board. Someone seemed to suggest that Ray and Hal also exist on the new Earth-2, and someone else said something about PG's origin.


There was a line in Action Comics last week, Superman was scanning Power Girl trying to account for a third Kryptonian that a character mentioned detecting a few months ago. The scanner didn't show her registering as Kryptonian, and Superman made a point to say that it was because she was from the Krypton of another dimension.




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TJ Burns




> >
> > ...Post-COIE, they DID reveal that at least one other universe DID have an Oa in the Multiverse.
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> > Gernot...
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> But there weren't any other universes after COIE. \:\-\|

It claimed. Yet we ended up with other universes with alternate versions of characters in Darkstars, and other Earthlike worlds in the Giffen Justice League.


TJB


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Niddle





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> > ...there weren't any other universes after COIE. \:\-\|
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> It claimed. Yet we ended up with other universes with alternate versions of characters in Darkstars, and other Earthlike worlds in the Giffen Justice League.

Let's leave Earth-type worlds out of this. We're not talking space and planets like Thanagar or Daxam. We're talking about entire universes.

Could you please tell me where we've seen alternate/parallel realities following the original CRISIS? Aside from the Pocket Universe (which was a sub-section of the mainstream universe) and later the Hypertime realities (which were something other than Multiverse-style parallel universes...somehow \:\-\| ), we didn't see any alternates.

Again, please tell me when we've seen such and what they were.


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Ziggy




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> > ...Post-COIE, they DID reveal that at least one other universe DID have an Oa in the Multiverse.
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> > Gernot...
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>
> But there weren't any other universes after COIE. \:\-\|

I think Gernot is talking about the "lost chapter" of COIE, were Superman was black and married to Supergirl, Robin was son of Batman and Green Lantern was brazilian. This story was published not so long ago.



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TJ Burns





> Let's leave Earth-type worlds out of this. We're not talking space and planets like Thanagar or Daxam. We're talking about entire universes.

I'm talking about a genuine alternate-dimensional EARTH... Angor, which was as close to an alternate Earth as any we'd seen before this arc. (It had humans, superhumans, correlations to our cities, and the whole nine yards... I'd call it an alternate Earth, but since there's only two survivors and one of them is some kind of demon, it doesn't matter much...)

> Could you please tell me where we've seen alternate/parallel realities following the original CRISIS?

Darkstars, just as I'd said. The final arc dealt with an entire alternate universe where some of the primaries from the series were evil, including Merayn, John Stewart's girlfriend. It floored me when I read it too, since this was exactly what the CRISIS was supposed to end!


TJB


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Mikel Midnight




> > Let's leave Earth-type worlds out of this. We're not talking space and planets like Thanagar or Daxam. We're talking about entire universes.
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> I'm talking about a genuine alternate-dimensional EARTH... Angor, which was as close to an alternate Earth as any we'd seen before this arc. (It had humans, superhumans, correlations to our cities, and the whole nine yards... I'd call it an alternate Earth, but since there's only two survivors and one of them is some kind of demon, it doesn't matter much...)

Yeah the whole Angor thing was lame, as it STARTED as an alien planet and then they decided to make it an alternate Earth post-Crisis, for no good reason. On my Angor timeline I compromised by assuming it's a 'terra obscura' (that is, an alternate Earth that exists in the same reality level ... Star Trek abounds with them).


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