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Rodimus




I assume she's still a pre-crisis "anomaly" (like Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, etc. were), only it was explained in IC that she instead somehow "fell through the cracks" of and into the post-crisis single-universe as it's reality was forming (or something like that). My question is: How was that percieved by those living in post-crisis? Did she just magically-appear one day? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and that's the only explanation I can think of.


- Rodimus


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Seyg-El




> I assume she's still a pre-crisis "anomaly" (like Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, etc. were), only it was explained in IC that she instead somehow "fell through the cracks" of and into the post-crisis single-universe as it's reality was forming (or something like that). My question is: How was that percieved by those living in post-crisis? Did she just magically-appear one day? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and that's the only explanation I can think of.
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> - Rodimus

She appeared like she did pre-Crisis...in a rocket full grown. Superman thought she was his cousin, he set her up with the JSA for training, and then they found out she wasn't Superman's cousin. (well, not the Superman of this reality)


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Beowulf




> > I assume she's still a pre-crisis "anomaly" (like Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, etc. were), only it was explained in IC that she instead somehow "fell through the cracks" of and into the post-crisis single-universe as it's reality was forming (or something like that). My question is: How was that percieved by those living in post-crisis? Did she just magically-appear one day? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and that's the only explanation I can think of.
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> > - Rodimus
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> She appeared like she did pre-Crisis...in a rocket full grown. Superman thought she was his cousin, he set her up with the JSA for training, and then they found out she wasn't Superman's cousin. (well, not the Superman of this reality)

Just after COIE, many of the heroes still remembered the many worlds. After delayed ripple effects of the Crisis remodelled reality again everyone forgot.

Like Seyg-El stated, her origin stayed the same with rocket and all. Though now, it was a timemachine. And of course now, she wasn't kryptonian at all, but rather a thru magic mutated atlantean, which was her new post-crisis origin.

With IC coming closer, her body's inside began to change along with her origin, till the she was back to being a kryptonian again.
Just not exactly the same thing as a New Earth kryptonian.


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Lord Majestros




> > > I assume she's still a pre-crisis "anomaly" (like Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, etc. were), only it was explained in IC that she instead somehow "fell through the cracks" of and into the post-crisis single-universe as it's reality was forming (or something like that). My question is: How was that percieved by those living in post-crisis? Did she just magically-appear one day? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and that's the only explanation I can think of.
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> > > - Rodimus
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> > She appeared like she did pre-Crisis...in a rocket full grown. Superman thought she was his cousin, he set her up with the JSA for training, and then they found out she wasn't Superman's cousin. (well, not the Superman of this reality)
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> Just after COIE, many of the heroes still remembered the many worlds. After delayed ripple effects of the Crisis remodelled reality again everyone forgot.
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> Like Seyg-El stated, her origin stayed the same with rocket and all. Though now, it was a timemachine. And of course now, she wasn't kryptonian at all, but rather a thru magic mutated atlantean, which was her new post-crisis origin.
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> With IC coming closer, her body's inside began to change along with her origin, till the she was back to being a kryptonian again.
> Just not exactly the same thing as a New Earth kryptonian.

Lord Majestros:
The magically mutated granddaughter of Arion from Atlantis origin was also revealed to be untrue before "JSA Classified" and "Infinite Crisis" and her origin was unknown for some time.


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Niddle





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> Just after COIE, many of the heroes still remembered the many worlds. After delayed ripple effects of the Crisis remodelled reality again everyone forgot.
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> Like Seyg-El stated, her origin stayed the same with rocket and all. Though now, it was a timemachine. And of course now, she wasn't kryptonian at all, but rather a thru magic mutated atlantean, which was her new post-crisis origin.
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> With IC coming closer, her body's inside began to change along with her origin, till the she was back to being a kryptonian again.
> Just not exactly the same thing as a New Earth kryptonian.


Actually, the Atlantean origin was NOT their first take, even after the loss of the pre-Crisis memories.

It was still held that they first thought she was Kryptonian.

I've still never quite seen why they kept saying 'We thought she was Superman's cousin', tho. Post-Crisis, she apparently had no memories of being an "El", just a vague awareness/belief of being Kryptonian.

How that'd automatically lead to "Oh! You must be Superman's cousin!" has always been beyond me.

Anyway, it was later that the whole Atlantean/Arion thing came up.


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Beowulf




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> > Just after COIE, many of the heroes still remembered the many worlds. After delayed ripple effects of the Crisis remodelled reality again everyone forgot.
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> > Like Seyg-El stated, her origin stayed the same with rocket and all. Though now, it was a timemachine. And of course now, she wasn't kryptonian at all, but rather a thru magic mutated atlantean, which was her new post-crisis origin.
> >
> > With IC coming closer, her body's inside began to change along with her origin, till the she was back to being a kryptonian again.
> > Just not exactly the same thing as a New Earth kryptonian.
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> Actually, the Atlantean origin was NOT their first take, even after the loss of the pre-Crisis memories.
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> It was still held that they first thought she was Kryptonian.
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Which was revealed as "wrong". Also things were pretty much in flux after COIE, with her remembering Kal-L for a while and the first Powergirl-mini which set off her post-crisis origin.

I guess the full story, how she started her post-crisis life wasn't told, till JSA Classified 1-4, where we saw in flashbacks, how she got famed as Superman's cousin, followed the reveal as fake, with the subsequent tongue-lashing of Ma Kent.

> I've still never quite seen why they kept saying 'We thought she was Superman's cousin', tho. Post-Crisis, she apparently had no memories of being an "El", just a vague awareness/belief of being Kryptonian.
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> How that'd automatically lead to "Oh! You must be Superman's cousin!" has always been beyond me.
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> Anyway, it was later that the whole Atlantean/Arion thing came up.

Her life was a virtual fantasy, spent in her ship, so if she was told to be a member of the L or EL family, it came from there.


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Beowulf




> > > > I assume she's still a pre-crisis "anomaly" (like Superboy Prime, Earth-2 Superman, etc. were), only it was explained in IC that she instead somehow "fell through the cracks" of and into the post-crisis single-universe as it's reality was forming (or something like that). My question is: How was that percieved by those living in post-crisis? Did she just magically-appear one day? I've been thinking about this for awhile, and that's the only explanation I can think of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Rodimus
> > >
> > > She appeared like she did pre-Crisis...in a rocket full grown. Superman thought she was his cousin, he set her up with the JSA for training, and then they found out she wasn't Superman's cousin. (well, not the Superman of this reality)
> >
> > Just after COIE, many of the heroes still remembered the many worlds. After delayed ripple effects of the Crisis remodelled reality again everyone forgot.
> >
> > Like Seyg-El stated, her origin stayed the same with rocket and all. Though now, it was a timemachine. And of course now, she wasn't kryptonian at all, but rather a thru magic mutated atlantean, which was her new post-crisis origin.
> >
> > With IC coming closer, her body's inside began to change along with her origin, till the she was back to being a kryptonian again.
> > Just not exactly the same thing as a New Earth kryptonian.
>
> Lord Majestros:
> The magically mutated granddaughter of Arion from Atlantis origin was also revealed to be untrue before "JSA Classified" and "Infinite Crisis" and her origin was unknown for some time.

There were bits in JSA like Dr. Midnight foundings, that her powers are biological based and that it doesn't look like she came from the past. And finally Arion himself stating that the whole thing wasn't true at the climax of 'Princes of Darkness'.

Of course, what Geoff had planned originally for her is not known.


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Niddle




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> I guess the full story, how she started her post-crisis life wasn't told, till JSA Classified 1-4, where we saw in flashbacks, how she got famed as Superman's cousin, followed the reveal as fake, with the subsequent tongue-lashing of Ma Kent.

First I've heard about Martha being hostile to her. Would like to hear more. >:-D

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> Her life was a virtual fantasy, spent in her ship, so if she was told to be a member of the L or EL family, it came from there.

But the point is that I don't believe the post-Crisis version said anything about her being an "El". Just that she believed she was Kryptonian. So how (or why) the "cousin" thing was settled on until Arion showed up is a little unclear.


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