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He's certainly a Golden Age legacy character.



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Scott




> He's certainly a Golden Age legacy character.

And another "strained" one at that. IIRC he's joining the Teen Titans soon.

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Blue Beetle




> > He's certainly a Golden Age legacy character.
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> And another "strained" one at that. IIRC he's joining the Teen Titans soon.


Darn. I guess that was the "obvious" choice - he's a young guy, after all - but the JSA would have been cooler in my opinion.

I may try the Teen Titans comic if the Blue Beetle joins the team. Maybe it'll be good.



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Mikel Midnight




It'd make sense to have him in the team -if- DC decided they owned the original 40's Blue Beetle ... otherwise there's no point.

He'd be better suited in the JLA or ... if they're in one of their 'Big 7' periods ... the Titans.


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Blue Beetle




> It'd make sense to have him in the team -if- DC decided they owned the original 40's Blue Beetle ... otherwise there's no point.


Hasn't DC decided that? Ted Kord has mentioned Dan Garret in modern continuity, hasn't he?

I bought (and am waiting to receive) "The Blue Beetle Companion" which should make me more knowledgeable about a lot of this.


> He'd be better suited in the JLA or ... if they're in one of their 'Big 7' periods ... the Titans.


Why? The JSA has a bunch of youthful members now. I think Jamie would fit in nicely with them.





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Ed Love




> > It'd make sense to have him in the team -if- DC decided they owned the original 40's Blue Beetle ... otherwise there's no point.
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> Hasn't DC decided that? Ted Kord has mentioned Dan Garret in modern continuity, hasn't he?
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> I bought (and am waiting to receive) "The Blue Beetle Companion" which should make me more knowledgeable about a lot of this.
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There were 2 Dan Garrett Blue Beetles. The original was a hero in the 40s for Fox Comics. He was a beat cop with powers that came from a super vitamin and a bulletproof costume. Some of Fox's material ended up at Charlton and after a couple of appearances, they totally retooled the character into Dan Garrett, archaeologist who through a magic scarab becomes a Superman-level superhero. These stories are crude but quite a bit of fun. There is no continuity connection between him and the previous one. Then Steve Ditko was brought in and he introduces Ted Kord, a student of Dan Garrett #2. When Garrett dies as BB protecting Ted, Ted uses his scientific knowhow and acrobatics to become the next Blue Beetle, the scarab being buried in a cave-in with Garrett's body.

Now, AC Comics who had the rights briefly, brought back Dan Garrett and revealed that both of those Blue Beetles were really the same. But, DC hasn't recognized the original Beetle from Fox apart from their card series.

And, as I loathe how DC treated Kord, no, I wouldn't want the new one to join the JSA as I can not bring myself supporting the character at all and I'd have to stop getting JSA. I gave up Birds of Prey when they decided to bring in Manhunter.


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galmanjr1968




I just don't see this version of the Blue Beetle in the JSA. I could have seen the Ted Kord Blue Beetle possibly in the JSA. This new Beetle seems more suited to the Teen Titans as has been already mentioned.


> He's certainly a Golden Age legacy character.
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Blue Beetle




> Now, AC Comics who had the rights briefly, brought back Dan Garrett and revealed that both of those Blue Beetles were really the same. But, DC hasn't recognized the original Beetle from Fox apart from their card series.


Since the two Dan Garret characters had completely different sources for their powers, it seems hard to say they're the same guy. But I guess that detail could be glossed over so as to claim the adventures and the villains as part of DC's mythos, which may be worth doing if the adventures and the villains were cool. \:\)


> And, as I loathe how DC treated Kord, no, I wouldn't want the new one to join the JSA as I can not bring myself supporting the character at all and I'd have to stop getting JSA. I gave up Birds of Prey when they decided to bring in Manhunter.


I can definitely see your point. In my case, I've decided to embrace the threefold legacy (Dan, Ted, Jamie) and be a fan of all of it.




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Ed Love




> > Now, AC Comics who had the rights briefly, brought back Dan Garrett and revealed that both of those Blue Beetles were really the same. But, DC hasn't recognized the original Beetle from Fox apart from their card series.
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> Since the two Dan Garret characters had completely different sources for their powers, it seems hard to say they're the same guy. But I guess that detail could be glossed over so as to claim the adventures and the villains as part of DC's mythos, which may be worth doing if the adventures and the villains were cool. \:\)
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Going on memory here, but I think the way AC did it was that some Egyptian gods guided Dan Garrett behind the scenes, that it was his destiny to be the Blue Beetle. After he "died" in WWII, when the need arose for the Blue Beetle, he was basically reincarnated as the archaeologist and subconsciouslessly directed to the scarab. Then in the modern age, he was brought back again, this time being told of his prior incarnations. The end result with there now being 2 Blue Beetles. Sadly, they never got the chance to follow up with this. I liked the 2nd Dan Garrett Blue Beetle alot.
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> I can definitely see your point. In my case, I've decided to embrace the threefold legacy (Dan, Ted, Jamie) and be a fan of all of it.

Wish I could. DC's gotten too kill-happy and replace lately for me to give a whit for the majority of the new "legacy" characters instead of actually writing characters decently to begin with. Maybe a character would work if they didn't feel the need to let every writer come in completely re-write the past of that character to the point does anyone really care? I don't doubt that the JLA-JSA "Lightning Saga" could chalk up some of its sales to some fans feeling like they finally had a book with a recognizeable Legion of Superheroes.

And then there's the fact they gave it to Keith Giffen who was the writer who helped create the impression that Kord was a joke and as a creator basically has a long history of NOT writing characters as they are created and often completely retooling the concept: Aquaman, Ragman, Doctor Fate, Booster Gold, Martian Manhunter, LSH. Notice how many have become the poster child of undergoing massive changes by each subsequent writer. No. I'm not buying any more books he works on. Now, he's at Marvel killing off and rewriting their space characters. Bleh.

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Fred




The JSA is allegedly about creating better heroes. BB has already proved he has the stuff of great heroics (look at what he said to Traci 13 when he woke from freeing the Posse in his book). He's also old school fun, sorta like if Spider-Man were re-created this year. Plus, being in the JSA would save the character since Blue Beetle is one of the two lowest selling ongoings that DC has that have yet to get a cancellation notice!


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