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PaulMc




The new series of JSA started off really well but issue 10 will be my last.

The art I hate. Its certainly not of the caliber i would expect from one of DC's flagship books.

The massive rotating cast is already becomming a problem and with plans to introduce even more characters I have lost interest.

At the moment DC seams to be doing everything in their power to reverse the changes made by the original Crisis.

I absolutly hated Kingdom Come. Completely. It was suppossed to be an elseworlds tale. Why not leave it at that?

Yet another Superman. The idea of Crisis was to make Clark unique. Now we have x amount of superpeople running about.

The personal stories have been crap. No indepth on jess and ricks relationship. No aftermath of infinite crisis revelations for Kara. No aftermath at the horrific slaughter of the original freedom fighters. no aftermath from alan scott or todd re jades death.

And while we are at it, why are we killing off good decent well developed characters like Jade and Fury and phantom lady to replace them with people like Maxine Hunkel. What is her costume all about.

Really this is poor poor stuff.. The book on average takes me less than 5 mins to read. Its not a patch on JLA, New Avengers or X-men.

Any thoughts?


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Uninvited Guest




> Any thoughts?

Nothing to say, really, except the following: If you're not enjoying a title, you're doing the right thing by dropping it. Don't support anything out of just mere "loyalty" if you're not satisfied by it. Comics have become an expensive hobby and you should only spend your money on those that really meet your expectations for entertainment.
You're good on your way. I dropped all DC and Marvel titles at this point with the only exception of Green Lantern which I will keep reading till issue #25, which features the end of the Sinestro Corps saga. After that, I'll keep only reading all those Indy titles I already subscribed. I'm having a blast with these!


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Maestro Drake




If the other universe were wiped out, isn't it possible that the KC Superman was sucked out of his universe, his earth 22, as a result of random events in Inifinite Crisis and not because of Starman?

I loved Kingdom Come. I agree that this arc undoes what KC Superman was trying to do to restore humanity in his own world. I am curious to see what Ross and Johns are coming up with besides just random superhero violence. Cencepts and ideas. I mean, just look at Dr. Mid Nite, they're already trying to make him into the KC version with the smoke powers.

Writers like Kruger, Millar, Johns and Ross are the main reason I would ever pick up another comic ever again.


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Ed Love




> > Any thoughts?
>
> Nothing to say, really, except the following: If you're not enjoying a title, you're doing the right thing by dropping it. Don't support anything out of just mere "loyalty" if you're not satisfied by it. Comics have become an expensive hobby and you should only spend your money on those that really meet your expectations for entertainment.
> You're good on your way. I dropped all DC and Marvel titles at this point with the only exception of Green Lantern which I will keep reading till issue #25, which features the end of the Sinestro Corps saga. After that, I'll keep only reading all those Indy titles I already subscribed. I'm having a blast with these!
>
Agreed. I dropped all Marvel titles except Spider-Girl with the advent of Civil War, mainly because I decided I wasn't going to buy crossovers. I had intentions to go back afterwards, but even after that mini was over, every main title is still about it, bleh. I've tried and will try the odd issue here and there (such as the upcoming TWELVE, but mostly I'm done). With DC, I'm down to about 4 now: JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA (high hopes with the new writer), JSA, ATOM, Black Canary/Green Arrow. I might be trying the new Outsiders and Wonder Woman by Simone.

Sadly, as a superhero comics reader, there really isn't much independent comics that appeal to me. I get the Phantom and Black Coat comes out too infrequently. The Weapon mini was interesting. Halfway looking forward to SUPERPOWERS and ISSUE AFTER NEXT, but like the THE TWELVE, I think SUPERPOWERS will be more in the vein of TERRA OBSCURA where they try to be more Alan Moore-lite realistic instead of just telling some great action stories and remaining true to the original characters. You know, heroes being heroic and fighting the bad guys. As my website shows, there are hundreds of equally fascinating bad guys of the golden-age to choose from that are in the public domain.


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little kon-el




Although not completely superheroic, there are some books that still have that "fun" vein without necessarily losing the trappings of being a superhero comic. Although these are mostly for adults, I find them completely entertaining and enjoyable:

1. Scott Pilgrim: This is a great comic in the vein of "What if stan lee was born in 1976 and started writing comics about canada indy-rock scene and video games." The main character is likeable although thoroughly infuriating because he can be a jerk. The other characters are thoroughly fleshed out and really do feel like you're reading a comic from the 1960s. And the superpowers are limited, but pull from a variety of video game and kung fu sources which make it fresh and clever. This is a superhero comic without superheroes, but it still is fun.

2. Empowered: This comic (volumes 1 and 2) are great little reads in superhero life. I'm a sucker for quasi-scientific explanations and clever characters that listen to Ira Glass. This is pretty much a cheesecake story about a woman whose powers are tempermental and who unfortunately finds herself naked a lot. But the thing that makes this stand apart from your typical cheesecake stories is that Empowered really makes you care for the character. Her emotions are genuine and the characters around her seem like charactures, but really have their own little story arcs. Empowered reminds me of those old silver age Adventure Comics mini-digests...quick stories that, if you read in one setting, you figured out how the previous stories connected at least thematically to the previous story.

Have you considered these two series? Both are coming out as trades and both are rather fun reads in between big superhero crises. I highly recommend them to my superhero friends who are burnt out from all the crossovers. They reinvigorated why I like superhero comics, even though both are not necessarily traditional superhero fare.

- l.k.
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mykle1616




" No aftermath of infinite crisis revelations for Kara. "

I could lick you from head to toe! Let's talk about Miss PG for a moment, shall we? This woman has gone from the moat bitchiest super hero to the most well-balanced person I've ever met. DC has gone to great lengths to make Power Girl the Ultimate Anti-Barbie. Yes, little girls, you can grow up to be blonde and have a most impressive rack and still have two tons of crap thrown on you. Yet, you can also have the inner strength to toss it all off and move on with no more thought than it takes to change your tampon.

I mean, this woman has had her head mucked with time and time again only to find out her original memories, watch her beloved cousin get killed, and yet still manages to tell this Universe's Supergirl-proper "I lost my whole universe...I got over it" with all the intensity of well, a rotting banana. I felt the inrinsic emotion!

And now she gets to deal with some messed up zealot from yet another universe who's a duplicate of her lost cousin move in on her turf. Gee, I bet she feels even more unique than she ever did. I mean c'mon, this is a woman who, if she turns your way suddenly, can take your head of with one smack of her left breast. Yet for all intent and purpose, they relegate her to nothing. Ok, we get the point she "fell thru the cracks" but dang, how many more she gonna fall thru.

I wanna know how she's dealing, if she's dealing, and most importantly, why did she fall thru the crack in the first place. The only thing I'm seeing is the crack of her butt and the crack of her cleavage getting bigger.

And I give major kudos to those who have realized the truth...DC is just throwing everything together and hoping something will stick as to their new history. They are literally making it up as they go along now. And it's bull. I posted on another board this following thought....If I want to read pre-crisis comics, I'll dig out my old issues that I bought from 79-85. New Earth my butt. More like oops we royally screwed up and can;t get ourselves out Earth.





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Tanthius




> > > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Nothing to say, really, except the following: If you're not enjoying a title, you're doing the right thing by dropping it. Don't support anything out of just mere "loyalty" if you're not satisfied by it. Comics have become an expensive hobby and you should only spend your money on those that really meet your expectations for entertainment.
> > You're good on your way. I dropped all DC and Marvel titles at this point with the only exception of Green Lantern which I will keep reading till issue #25, which features the end of the Sinestro Corps saga. After that, I'll keep only reading all those Indy titles I already subscribed. I'm having a blast with these!
> >
> Agreed. I dropped all Marvel titles except Spider-Girl with the advent of Civil War, mainly because I decided I wasn't going to buy crossovers. I had intentions to go back afterwards, but even after that mini was over, every main title is still about it, bleh. I've tried and will try the odd issue here and there (such as the upcoming TWELVE, but mostly I'm done). With DC, I'm down to about 4 now: JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA (high hopes with the new writer), JSA, ATOM, Black Canary/Green Arrow. I might be trying the new Outsiders and Wonder Woman by Simone.

I dropped everything except Annihilation and its related books. Which turned out to be incredibly good. And Im reading Thor now but thats it for Marvel. DC I got GL and Corp as well as JSA and thats about it.
>
> Sadly, as a superhero comics reader, there really isn't much independent comics that appeal to me. I get the Phantom and Black Coat comes out too infrequently. The Weapon mini was interesting. Halfway looking forward to SUPERPOWERS and ISSUE AFTER NEXT, but like the THE TWELVE, I think SUPERPOWERS will be more in the vein of TERRA OBSCURA where they try to be more Alan Moore-lite realistic instead of just telling some great action stories and remaining true to the original characters. You know, heroes being heroic and fighting the bad guys. As my website shows, there are hundreds of equally fascinating bad guys of the golden-age to choose from that are in the public domain.

Hmmm maybe you could try and diversify your portfolio and expand into the realm of barbarion comics. Conan and Red Sonia would appreciate it \:\-P I read tons of indie stuff now but I gotta tell you, try out Wolf-Man its a Super Hero Comic and its great. Or you could give Invincible a shot, its pretty amazing too.

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Ed Love





> I dropped everything except Annihilation and its related books. Which turned out to be incredibly good. And Im reading Thor now but thats it for Marvel. DC I got GL and Corp as well as JSA and thats about it.

Annihilation was a crossover book ie, had to buy 4-5 different minis to get the main story which began and ended outside of them. After DC's Crisis books of the last few years, I didn't get it. As it also off'ed a favorite character or two, don't really feel I missed much. Tried WRAITH of the current group, wish I'd saved my money as the first issue stunk. And what was done to Starlord in the other, ugh.

> Hmmm maybe you could try and diversify your portfolio and expand into the realm of barbarion comics. Conan and Red Sonia would appreciate it \:\-P I read tons of indie stuff now but I gotta tell you, try out Wolf-Man its a Super Hero Comic and its great. Or you could give Invincible a shot, its pretty amazing too.
>
I got Conan for a long time. Until Busiek left, but by that time I was getting fed up with the multiple Conan titles. The main book was already fashioned as a series of minis. Looked at the first issue of Red Sonja, looked pretty but also looked padded (which killed BRATH for me at Crossgen). For the most part, I like reading some Howard in small doses, but what works in prose for me doesn't necessarily translate to the comic. Saturating the market with barbarian titles just kinda kills the enthusiasm.

I've glanced through some of the Invincible trades and got the first issue of Wolf-man. They were ok, but didn't strike me as worth seeking out to get.

I really think that part of the doldrums is fueled by so much of what passes for the mainstream DCU and MU, it's hard to truly get excited by comics in general. They cost too much, the reads take too little time, and the sense of adventure and fun is largely absent. I tried to support Jeff Smith's Captain Marvel series and it was only about recreating the wheel, let's have yet another origin story for CM. I passed on Green Arrow Year One and the current Metamorpho minis for strictly the same reason. I see no reason to rehash their origin stories, how uncreative can you actually get? Ditto on the Creeper min a year or so back.

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