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zvelf




In the latest issue of JSA, Gog, who had knocked out KC Superman earlier, was totally unable to affect Citizen Steel, not even move him. That made Citizen Steel look like the Juggernaut. I’m not too familiar with previous incarnations of the character, but was he always like this, i.e., practically invulnerable?


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Daveym




> In the latest issue of JSA, Gog, who had knocked out KC Superman earlier, was totally unable to affect Citizen Steel, not even move him. That made Citizen Steel look like the Juggernaut. I’m not too familiar with previous incarnations of the character, but was he always like this, i.e., practically invulnerable?

No, The previous All Star Squadron & JLA versions were more like wolverine - their skeletons had been strengthened by inserting steel plating & supports and they wore chainmail in their costumes IIRC, but they were still flesh and Blood.
The Original Commander Steel was killed by Eclipso in the 90s who inflicted catastrophic tissue damage while His son who had served in the 80s JLA was also killed by having catastrophic tissue damage inflicted....

This new 'Citizen Steel is apparently a metahuman, and from the same lineage as his namesakes. He'd lost his leg in a sporting accident when he and his family were targeted by Vandal Savage's Nazi squad in the first few issues of the new JSA. He was injured, unintentionally infected with a mysterious metallic agent from one of the Nazi crew and taken into JSA care whereon his skeleton (and flesh tissue?) has transformed into some form of solidified steel, even regenerating his missing leg(!)

He now has massive density (He shatters most surfaces he walks on!) and is struggling to adjust his bodys motor controls to compensate for his transformation....


"LOL ...LMAO...*wink*... Guffaw... *sigh*..." Bwah ha ha...? \:\-\( (etc etc...)

...Oh, Did i say lol BTW? *rhe*



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Dynamite Kid




> > In the latest issue of JSA, Gog, who had knocked out KC Superman earlier, was totally unable to affect Citizen Steel, not even move him. That made Citizen Steel look like the Juggernaut. I’m not too familiar with previous incarnations of the character, but was he always like this, i.e., practically invulnerable?
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> No, The previous All Star Squadron & JLA versions were more like wolverine - their skeletons had been strengthened by inserting steel plating & supports and they wore chainmail in their costumes IIRC, but they were still flesh and Blood.
> The Original Commander Steel was killed by Eclipso in the 90s who inflicted catastrophic tissue damage while His son who had served in the 80s JLA was also killed by having catastrophic tissue damage inflicted....
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> This new 'Citizen Steel is apparently a metahuman, and from the same lineage as his namesakes. He'd lost his leg in a sporting accident when he and his family were targeted by Vandal Savage's Nazi squad in the first few issues of the new JSA. He was injured, unintentionally infected with a mysterious metallic agent from one of the Nazi crew and taken into JSA care whereon his skeleton (and flesh tissue?) has transformed into some form of solidified steel, even regenerating his missing leg(!)
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> He now has massive density (He shatters most surfaces he walks on!) and is struggling to adjust his bodys motor controls to compensate for his transformation....

Of course, I was a big fan of his grandfather, the orginal Commander Steel (loved the name). One of the very few characters (Cap excluded of course) who didn't look downright silly in a costume inspired by Old Glory. The Patriot, anyone? I though it was a shame when Commander Steel was turned into a disturbed old man in JLA during the original crisis. I even kind of liked JLA Detriot's Steel, kind of Earth 1's original legacy hero. He died a pointless death at the hands of Professor Ivo's androids. I think this Citizen Steel not only looks great but has tremendous potential because he was just a normal guy who got a bum deal in life, losing his leg and let everything spiral out of control with painkillers. I think he and Rick Tyler have a lot in common.


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Ed Love




I'm not a big fan of the current one. The playing up his weight/mass makes him more of a hindrance than an asset to the team. The few times he'd be able to cut loose and he has a costume that hinders him. Otherwise, he doesn't have the control needed, his weight is a risk factor in most buildings, etc. Sorta like Lightning. Her ability to short out electrical devices would make her a liability to even be near a car, airplane, ambulance. The side-effects of both of their powers are more damaging than helpful.

And it wouldn't have taken much of a retcon to bring back either of his two predecessors. The original was working on a bio-regenerative formula I believe when he had to undergo the process to become Steel. It's possible that they were a bit more like Wolverine beyond the metal skeletons. My own theory was the second Steel's death was faked after he sustained those injuries, letting him heal somewhere in private and have a real life without being coerced to live up to a legacy he didn't want.

> Of course, I was a big fan of his grandfather, the orginal Commander Steel (loved the name). One of the very few characters (Cap excluded of course) who didn't look downright silly in a costume inspired by Old Glory. The Patriot, anyone? I though it was a shame when Commander Steel was turned into a disturbed old man in JLA during the original crisis. I even kind of liked JLA Detriot's Steel, kind of Earth 1's original legacy hero. He died a pointless death at the hands of Professor Ivo's androids. I think this Citizen Steel not only looks great but has tremendous potential because he was just a normal guy who got a bum deal in life, losing his leg and let everything spiral out of control with painkillers. I think he and Rick Tyler have a lot in common.


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zvelf




NT.


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TJ Burns





> And it wouldn't have taken much of a retcon to bring back either of his two predecessors. The original was working on a bio-regenerative formula I believe when he had to undergo the process to become Steel. It's possible that they were a bit more like Wolverine beyond the metal skeletons. My own theory was the second Steel's death was faked after he sustained those injuries, letting him heal somewhere in private and have a real life without being coerced to live up to a legacy he didn't want.

It's been established elsewhere you're right on here... after all, they pulled the plug on him to let him die in the original arc he was injured in... only for Despero to find him and finish killing him later in the Giffen League. His grandfather intended to keep him alive and heal him, only for Despero to finish the job.


TJB


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Talezite




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> > And it wouldn't have taken much of a retcon to bring back either of his two predecessors. The original was working on a bio-regenerative formula I believe when he had to undergo the process to become Steel. It's possible that they were a bit more like Wolverine beyond the metal skeletons. My own theory was the second Steel's death was faked after he sustained those injuries, letting him heal somewhere in private and have a real life without being coerced to live up to a legacy he didn't want.
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> It's been established elsewhere you're right on here... after all, they pulled the plug on him to let him die in the original arc he was injured in... only for Despero to find him and finish killing him later in the Giffen League. His grandfather intended to keep him alive and heal him, only for Despero to finish the job.
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> TJB

Are you sure that you are not talking about Major Glory? (Guy Garnder's idol) I remember the Giffen JLA issues pretty good and don't remember Steel being in them. I could be wrong... To keep the orginal thread of an idea going I personally liked Steel from Detrtiot based JLA.I remember at the time reading those issues being shocked Proffesor Ivo's andriods killed him so mercilessly. On a personal note I was living in Michigan for a bit I found the character interesting. (although imo Vibe was the weakest character) As always good reading to you all. Anyone else remember the Steel series from the 70s? ;\)


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Ed Love





> > It's been established elsewhere you're right on here... after all, they pulled the plug on him to let him die in the original arc he was injured in... only for Despero to find him and finish killing him later in the Giffen League. His grandfather intended to keep him alive and heal him, only for Despero to finish the job.

> Are you sure that you are not talking about Major Glory? (Guy Garnder's idol) I remember the Giffen JLA issues pretty good and don't remember Steel being in them. I could be wrong... To keep the orginal thread of an idea going I personally liked Steel from Detrtiot based JLA.I remember at the time reading those issues being shocked Proffesor Ivo's andriods killed him so mercilessly. On a personal note I was living in Michigan for a bit I found the character interesting. (although imo Vibe was the weakest character) As always good reading to you all. Anyone else remember the Steel series from the 70s? ;\)

TJ is right. It's during the Adam Hughes issues and leads up to the wonky Mr. Miracle android sacrificing himself (everyone thinks it's really Mr. Miracle).

I liked the experiment of the JL Detroit but the execution didn't cut it. And sadly, the team gets blamed for the stories being bad. Vibe was the weakest, but his death really highlighted the character and he's had a good story or two in Justice League Unlimited book. It's sorta like how Countdown to Infinite Crisis is predicated on the team and characters from the Giffen League being jokes that no one took them seriously and barely competent, unable to separate the characters from the book.


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Talezite




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> > > It's been established elsewhere you're right on here... after all, they pulled the plug on him to let him die in the original arc he was injured in... only for Despero to find him and finish killing him later in the Giffen League. His grandfather intended to keep him alive and heal him, only for Despero to finish the job.
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> > Are you sure that you are not talking about Major Glory? (Guy Garnder's idol) I remember the Giffen JLA issues pretty good and don't remember Steel being in them. I could be wrong... To keep the orginal thread of an idea going I personally liked Steel from Detrtiot based JLA.I remember at the time reading those issues being shocked Proffesor Ivo's andriods killed him so mercilessly. On a personal note I was living in Michigan for a bit I found the character interesting. (although imo Vibe was the weakest character) As always good reading to you all. Anyone else remember the Steel series from the 70s? ;\)
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> TJ is right. It's during the Adam Hughes issues and leads up to the wonky Mr. Miracle android sacrificing himself (everyone thinks it's really Mr. Miracle).
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> I liked the experiment of the JL Detroit but the execution didn't cut it. And sadly, the team gets blamed for the stories being bad. Vibe was the weakest, but his death really highlighted the character and he's had a good story or two in Justice League Unlimited book. It's sorta like how Countdown to Infinite Crisis is predicated on the team and characters from the Giffen League being jokes that no one took them seriously and barely competent, unable to separate the characters from the book.

Cool cool. I stand corrected. I have not read JLA in awhile so thats good to know about the Mister Miracle android. As always good reading to you all.


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