Justice Society of America >> View Thread

Author
Daveym 

Moderator

Location: Lancashire
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



Hourman, Doctor Mid-Nite, Commander Steel, Obsidian, Vixen, Stargirl - these are The Justice Society of America.

Appearing soon in the new series of Legends of Tomorrow the cast includes Matthew MacCaull as Commander Steel, Sarah Grey as Stargirl, Kwesi Ameyaw as Dr. Mid-Nite, Dan Payne as Obsidian, Maisie Richardson-Sellers as Amaya Jiwe/Vixen, and Patrick J. Adams as Hourman.













Air-date 20th October 2016.


    Quote:
    The Legends travel to Nazi-occupied Paris, but find themselves surrounded by the Justice Society of America (AKA JSA.) The Legends discover a time aberration that threatens the JSA, but the JSA wants nothing to do with them or their help. Nevertheless, the Legends force their way into the JSA’s mission to intercept and seize a mysterious package. Nate (Nick Zano) is desperate to prove that he should be part of the team, but he has a secret that he shares with his grandfather Commander Steel (Matthew MacCaull) that might make it difficult. Ray (Brandon Routh) is so focused on impressing the JSA, he puts himself and Vixen (Maisie Richardson-Sellers) in danger. Meanwhile, Stein (Victor Garber) has stepped in as the leader with Rip (Arthur Darvill) gone, but when decisions aren’t being made Sara (Caity Lotz) seems to be the one calling the shots. Dominic Purcell and Franz Drameh also star. Michael Grossman directed the episode written by Chris Fedak & Sarah Nicole Jones.




Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0 on Windows Vista
Ancient One 

Manager

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,873


And suddenly...I'm not quite so enthusiastic about seeing the JSA.

Hourman, Dr. Mid-Nite and - at a push - Stargirl I'm okay with. But Obsidian? Steel? Vixen? At the expense of more essential JSA members like Dr. Fate, Starman and Wildcat?

And the costumes! What's this obsession with dark and colourless?

And what on Earth - ANY Earth - possessed them to made Dr. Mid-Nite look like Biggles? Seriously?

God, I'm depressed!


Posted with Mozilla 11.0 on Windows 7
Daveym 

Moderator

Location: Lancashire
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008




    Quote:
    And suddenly...I'm not quite so enthusiastic about seeing the JSA.



    Quote:
    Hourman, Dr. Mid-Nite and - at a push - Stargirl I'm okay with. But Obsidian? Steel? Vixen? At the expense of more essential JSA members like Dr. Fate, Starman and Wildcat?



    Quote:
    And the costumes! What's this obsession with dark and colourless?



    Quote:
    And what on Earth - ANY Earth - possessed them to made Dr. Mid-Nite look like Biggles? Seriously?


I am hesitant to prejudge on this as the finished result might be rather surprising with the actors and direction making the chemistry of it work to an acceptable standard, but at a first glance of these publicity images I do agree that the design looks underwhelming and, with Stargirl clad in bright blue & white, uneven.
Still, I think there is a logic at work here. As with Doctor Mid-Nite, Obsidian, Commander Steel and Vixen what you have here is more of an espionage squad than the proper JSA - here is a small group that is predicated to working in secrecy and stealth. Which is why the bright bubbly Stargirl actually looks very out of place, but perhaps that in itself is a deliberate plot point. It may be she is not meant to be here at all.

Kwesi Ameyaw as Doctor Mid-Nite seems an unfortunate casting choice, far better if he had been given the Commander Steel role I think, but on the other hand I remember the actor who played Nightshade (Sandman) in the original Flash television series showed just how good unexpected casting can be. Nightshade was one of the standout characters and performances from the original series of The Flash, so while the costuming may seem too cheap and unimaginitive for Doctor Mid-Nite here please do give this actor, and the rest of the cast, the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea what Kwesi Ameyaw has done before but he wouldn't have been picked out of a hat for this role, the producers had to have had a specific reason for thinking he was the man for the job...





Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0 on Windows Vista
Ancient One 

Manager

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 7,873



    Quote:
    I am hesitant to prejudge on this as the finished result might be rather surprising with the actors and direction making the chemistry of it work to an acceptable standard, but at a first glance of these publicity images I do agree that the design looks underwhelming and, with Stargirl clad in bright blue & white, uneven.
    Still, I think there is a logic at work here. As with Doctor Mid-Nite, Obsidian, Commander Steel and Vixen what you have here is more of an espionage squad than the proper JSA - here is a small group that is predicated to working in secrecy and stealth. Which is why the bright bubbly Stargirl actually looks very out of place, but perhaps that in itself is a deliberate plot point. It may be she is not meant to be here at all.


I might be a little more upbeat if this was another show. But it is after all Legends of Tomorrow, the show that gave us... Series One.

Okay, the first series was as I understand it somewhat rushed into production. They've had more preparation time for series two, AND they admitted that their first attempt was flawed. That's a good thing to admit, but it's the severity of those flaws which has me worried. The show had a definite direction to it, but the writing on the individual episodes seriously undermined that direction. And the Legends themselves often struggled to work as characters for me. I'm hoping they can do a better job of the JSA, but not holding out too much hope.

The idea of the JSA as an 'espionage squad' isn't one that I'm happy with, I'm afraid. The JSA need to be big, they need to be bold. They are after all, the Legends of TODAY. We're given legacy heroes Stargirl, Steel and Obsidian instead of being given the heroes who CREATED those legacies. The JSA should be inspirational, not hiding in the shadows.

The Legends of Tomorrow stand as a good example of how trivial a team can feel when it has no core, no heart. Without the presence of Alan Scott and Jay Garrick - the heart and soul of the JSA - and the strong continuity of leadership provided by Carter Hall, I have a feeling that this version of the team is going to end up as dysfunctional and uninspiring as the LoT.


    Quote:
    Kwesi Ameyaw as Doctor Mid-Nite seems an unfortunate casting choice, far better if he had been given the Commander Steel role I think, but on the other hand I remember the actor who played Nightshade (Sandman) in the original Flash television series showed just how good unexpected casting can be. Nightshade was one of the standout characters and performances from the original series of The Flash, so while the costuming may seem too cheap and unimaginitive for Doctor Mid-Nite here please do give this actor, and the rest of the cast, the benefit of the doubt. I have no idea what Kwesi Ameyaw has done before but he wouldn't have been picked out of a hat for this role, the producers had to have had a specific reason for thinking he was the man for the job...



I have no problem with the actor. Like you, I'm unfamiliar with his work. It's just the costume - especially the headpiece and goggles - I take issue with. An aviators' scarf would complete the ensemble nicely, I think. The more I look, the more Biggles I'm getting.


Posted with Mozilla 11.0 on Windows 7
Daveym 

Moderator

Location: Lancashire
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008




    Quote:
    I might be a little more upbeat if this was another show. But it is after all Legends of Tomorrow, the show that gave us... Series One.


I don't disagree. I watched Legends and it was... watchable up to a point, certainly a notch better than marvel's Agents of Shield which i gave up on after the first few episodes. Legends suffers from an existential crisis for me, lacking in a sustaainable format it was terribly uneven and cobbled together. I can't help but feel like this is a series that would have been better served by being branded with an identity something more definitive by which to give it more of a purpose - A Secret Six or Titans grouping would make more sense than 'Legends of Tomorrow', which means nothing. But at a 20-odd part series it quickly outstayed its welcome for me and I had had enough of the Vandal Savage plot early on.

The Justice Society are appearing as guest stars in this new series ans therefore, as with Smallville, you cannot expect much as the budget and limited exposure means they can never really be done justice. I imagine the Effects budget wouldn't stretch to Alan Scott, Jay Garrick appearing would confuse viewers of The Flash, ditto exclusion for Hawkman and Hawkgirl who already exist in the show, so on balance what we see here is not a bad selection as such. It just isn't ideal is all. But then, this is as much a budget necessity as anything else. With little money to realise another set of full-on Superheroes this lowkey treatment is par for the course on television shows...




Posted with Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.0 on Windows Vista
JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


What could be intertestog would be bring in the Spectre later on, especially if he was needed to get involved in the big Crossover event coming///


Posted with Google Chrome 50.0.2661.102 on Linux
JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Not that bad, but would have much perferred to have Smallsville JSA, the one with Dr fate and Hawkman on it!


Posted with Google Chrome 50.0.2661.102 on Linux
JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Need to add Dr fate to it!


Posted with Google Chrome 50.0.2661.102 on Linux

Alvaro's Comicboards powered by On Topic™ © 2003-2022 Powermad Software