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Daveym




He's got a great costume, great name, is a street vigilante and yet has consistently failed to catch on...

Is it the actual Marc Spector/Steven Knight character(s), his lack of an interesting private identity or just poor writing?

Any thoughts? >:-|


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jsf




> He's got a great costume, great name, is a street vigilante and yet has consistently failed to catch on...
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> Is it the actual Marc Spector/Steven Knight character(s), his lack of an interesting private identity or just poor writing?
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> Any thoughts? >:-|

I think it's been uninspired story telling. During the original run in the '80's MK was one of Marvel's better sellers (and routinely outsold Batman, from what I've read). In fact, Batman wound up borrowing a few of MK's motiffs, like the throwing stars. MK was simply a great title.

But once it got cancelled, and then they tried to bring it back, the stories were simply "meh". They kept trying to give the character an 'angle', as opposed to simply telling cool stories (and MK has always been great when he's had a pseudo-horror vibe going on). I think Huston realizes that, and is working it into the tales he's telling. Which is why, at the moment, it's a great book.

I also think he's had a crappy rogues gallery. He needs a "Kingpin" character ala Daredevil to really go up against, i.e., some known villain who would really work as an antagonist for MK.

Hopefully it'll continue.


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punishment




> He's got a great costume, great name, is a street vigilante and yet has consistently failed to catch on...
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> Is it the actual Marc Spector/Steven Knight character(s), his lack of an interesting private identity or just poor writing?
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> Any thoughts? >:-|


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Dr. Shallot




Ex-mercanary, Egyptian god/resurrections, multiple identities...all this makes for a hard one to two sentence sell of the character. Often the most appealing characters are the simple ones.

Let's face it-Moon Knight is not a character you can sum up briefly. I'm sure this has turned off people to the character. When I was younger I had no interest in Moon Knight but my friend did. I read those Moench/Sienkiwicz tales at his house and got interested for a brief time-mostly due to Werewolf by Night being in the book, an old favorite of mine. Still, I never quite "got" what Moon Knight was all about and Marc Spector never appealed to me as a character.

I agree that he has potential and have heard good things about the current series, but I have no desire to check it out. The character just doesn't exude excitement IMO. If he is to stay a "street-level" character then I'd minimize the mystical influence, dump the multiple identities, and give him a decent arch-enemy.





> He's got a great costume, great name, is a street vigilante and yet has consistently failed to catch on...
>
> Is it the actual Marc Spector/Steven Knight character(s), his lack of an interesting private identity or just poor writing?
>
> Any thoughts? >:-|


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Jase




> Ex-mercanary, Egyptian god/resurrections, multiple identities...all this makes for a hard one to two sentence sell of the character. Often the most appealing characters are the simple ones.
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> Let's face it-Moon Knight is not a character you can sum up briefly.

How about, 'vigilante-avatar of the Egyptian god of vengeance'?

>I'm sure this has turned off people to the character. When I was younger I had no interest in Moon Knight but my friend did. I read those Moench/Sienkiwicz tales at his house and got interested for a brief time-mostly due to Werewolf by Night being in the book, an old favorite of mine. Still, I never quite "got" what Moon Knight was all about and Marc Spector never appealed to me as a character.
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> I agree that he has potential and have heard good things about the current series, but I have no desire to check it out. The character just doesn't exude excitement IMO. If he is to stay a "street-level" character then I'd minimize the mystical influence, dump the multiple identities, and give him a decent arch-enemy.
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By doing that though, you effectively kill what unique elements the character has going for him. His ties to Egyptian mythology, besides being a part of his origin as well as being an essential part of his character make-up like his mental problems and his resulting unique secret identity set-up(in an age where Marvel has eliminated secret ID's, this is a character who maintains 4 of them!), really do help to make Moon Knight who he is and w/out that mystical element(as well as his multiple identities) he really does come off as just a Batman rip-off, despite the numerous differences between the two.





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Jase




Well, cbgxtra.com has Moon Knight #6 and #7 coming in at 74,000 and 76,900 a piece respectively on the Diamond sales charts, which I believe is more or less what it consistently brings in, though I haven't checked it's sales history in a while. But going off of memory, it's a title that's consistently in the mid-70's range, so I assume it's doing all right.

http://www.cbgxtra.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1800

http://www.cbgxtra.com/Default.aspx?tabid=1860





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Jase




> He's got a great costume, great name, is a street vigilante and yet has consistently failed to catch on...
>
> Is it the actual Marc Spector/Steven Knight character(s), his lack of an interesting private identity or just poor writing?
>
> Any thoughts? >:-|

In the past, I think it's just been poor writing. Currently, I think Charlie Huston is doing an OK job.

If I had to cite a flaw that was primarily character related, then I guess I'd have to say that I think the character suffers from having a pretty sub-par rogues gallery. Outside of Bushman and the Commission, he doesn't have any particularly strong or appealing recurring adversaries and I think it hurts the character.





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spiderprince




> Well, cbgxtra.com has Moon Knight #6 and #7 coming in at 74,000 and 76,900 a piece respectively on the Diamond sales charts, which I believe is more or less what it consistently brings in, though I haven't checked it's sales history in a while. But going off of memory, it's a title that's consistently in the mid-70's range, so I assume it's doing all right.

Well here are the sales figures for the first 4 issues

#1 - 114,533
#2 - 77,552
#3 - 72,206
#4 - 67,802

Overall its holding steady and is doing pretty well. Huston is crafting a great story but keeping it less "cluttered" while true to MK's history. I find that a lot of the things people thought was "too much" for MK (the powers, the possesion by Khonshu etc) is handled very nicely. Pacing is a bit slow and the issues are usually delayed cause of Finch but I highly recommend it.


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Omar Karindu




How about: Marc Spector was a mercenary, until he found god...an ancient Egyptian god of vengeance, to be precise. Now he fights crime on behalf of that god -- unless he's simply insane.

Or, the shorter, high-concept pitch version: Moon Knight is a mercenary who became a vigilante at the behest of an ancient Egyptian god...unless he just went mad.

> Ex-mercanary, Egyptian god/resurrections, multiple identities...all this makes for a hard one to two sentence sell of the character. Often the most appealing characters are the simple ones.
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> Let's face it-Moon Knight is not a character you can sum up briefly. I'm sure this has turned off people to the character. When I was younger I had no interest in Moon Knight but my friend did. I read those Moench/Sienkiwicz tales at his house and got interested for a brief time-mostly due to Werewolf by Night being in the book, an old favorite of mine. Still, I never quite "got" what Moon Knight was all about and Marc Spector never appealed to me as a character.
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> I agree that he has potential and have heard good things about the current series, but I have no desire to check it out. The character just doesn't exude excitement IMO. If he is to stay a "street-level" character then I'd minimize the mystical influence, dump the multiple identities, and give him a decent arch-enemy.
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> > He's got a great costume, great name, is a street vigilante and yet has consistently failed to catch on...
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> > Is it the actual Marc Spector/Steven Knight character(s), his lack of an interesting private identity or just poor writing?
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> > Any thoughts? >:-|

- Omar Karindu

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Dr. Shallot




> > Ex-mercanary, Egyptian god/resurrections, multiple identities...all this makes for a hard one to two sentence sell of the character. Often the most appealing characters are the simple ones.
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> > Let's face it-Moon Knight is not a character you can sum up briefly.
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> How about, 'vigilante-avatar of the Egyptian god of vengeance'?

Okay, you and Omar have convinced me that maybe he can be summed up in a couple of sentences.
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> >I'm sure this has turned off people to the character. When I was younger I had no interest in Moon Knight but my friend did. I read those Moench/Sienkiwicz tales at his house and got interested for a brief time-mostly due to Werewolf by Night being in the book, an old favorite of mine. Still, I never quite "got" what Moon Knight was all about and Marc Spector never appealed to me as a character.
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> > I agree that he has potential and have heard good things about the current series, but I have no desire to check it out. The character just doesn't exude excitement IMO. If he is to stay a "street-level" character then I'd minimize the mystical influence, dump the multiple identities, and give him a decent arch-enemy.
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> By doing that though, you effectively kill what unique elements the character has going for him. His ties to Egyptian mythology, besides being a part of his origin as well as being an essential part of his character make-up like his mental problems and his resulting unique secret identity set-up(in an age where Marvel has eliminated secret ID's, this is a character who maintains 4 of them!), really do help to make Moon Knight who he is and w/out that mystical element(as well as his multiple identities) he really does come off as just a Batman rip-off, despite the numerous differences between the two.

Has his reaction to Civil War and the whole identity issue been raised? I'm interested in that.

I've read many Moon Knight stories over the years and perhaps it is just me, the character just doesn't grab me and make me want to learn more about him. Based on sales data mentioned in another post it sounds like his book is healthy and maybe it'll have a long run.
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Ktang




Moon Knight's story has plenty of substance and should be explored by a dedicated writer that can truely explore MK's part of the MU.

I've always thought solo books need a supporting cast that readers can care about. A good supporting cast helps us understand the nuances of the hero. ex. Spiderman

Aunt May-mother figure allows intimate family moments

Mary Jane-long time girlfriend let us see Pete's insecurities as a single guy and expand his emotions as a husband.

JJJameson-Boss-He holds Peter's money and Spidey's public image in his hands-both conflicts to be outwitted.

Harry Osborn-friend and enemy. Peter attempts to be Harry's saviour

Flash Thompson-High School rival. He unleashes Peter's repressed teenage angst prior to the spider bite.

The icon for this is Batman/Robin. Robin allowed Batman to be a father figure and soften him for a younger and larger fan base.

All I'm saying is that even though MK has a great backstory, we need more than Frenchie to let us into our hero's head.



oh well
just a thought




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Tiger Shark




...and Yes, there are too many 'Batman'-like associations: he's also a 'dark knight of vengenence' who swings around cities at night and throws 'bat-a-rang' style gizmos, and also uses a helicopter, as Batman as done. The only major superficial difference is that Batman is blue/black and Moon Knight is white/grey, and that Batman has pointed ears on his hood. They booth use similarly-styled 'bat clubs.'

Also, his history is too convoluted. The Moon Knight we saw in West Coast Avengers hardly seems like the same character in the present title. That one was largely oafish and 'thick,' almost cartoonish, and now he's portrayed as some kind of uber-badass. To me, it just doesn't wash, even though I give Marvel a lot of credit for trying to make him viable. Bringing him back in a team book first would have been a better start for a MK revival.

I read the first four issue and wasn't sold in the least. Too dark, too grim and gritty (or faux-G&G), too 'urban angst and neo-noirish' for my taste. For me, it was 'instantly forgettable,' as they say.

If I were Marvel, I'd clarify the Khonshu connection/powers once and finally, and the madness, and then go from there.


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Michael




> How about: Marc Spector was a mercenary, until he found god...an ancient Egyptian god of vengeance, to be precise. Now he fights crime on behalf of that god -- unless he's simply insane.
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> Or, the shorter, high-concept pitch version: Moon Knight is a mercenary who became a vigilante at the behest of an ancient Egyptian god...unless he just went mad.
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Unfortunately, at this point, so many heroes and villains have seen Khonshu that we know that Marc is not insane.
Michael


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