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Indeed, the Mephsito figure is a mixed bag. The body is awesome, the head however looks like it was created by some other group altogether and then shoved on the torso.

I don't mind the expression on the face, but the paint on it is horrendous, and very transparent and drippy looking (I picked out the best of the lot at my comic store). The neck is too big (a 'Capt. Mar-Vell' neck I now call such necks) and wide, and the head too small for the neck.

Also, the figure is a bit small and skimpy for a Marvel Select figure; it looks a lot more like a ToyBix ML figure.

But he sits well in his rather cool chair (which I wish would have been detailed a bit in terms of paint), and I'm glad to finally have him; you can stand Blackheart behind or to the side of the chair, and you've got a nice little vision of Marvel Hell--and the Marvel Hell First Family.

McDuffie's Fantastic Four was...rather fantastic. THIS was the FF I've wanted to see: guest stars galore (Deathlok in human form, the Silver Surfer, Epoch, Starlight, the Watcher), a space mission, action, adventure, mystery.....and all in one issue! THIS single issue would have taken Bendis 9 boring issues to tell in NA.

And this issue completely lacked the FF endless hand-wringing we've seen for the last couple of years, and stinky art.

Great characterization throughout, though I doubt the Black Panther would have pointed the Ultimate Nullifier (another sort of 'guest star') at the Watcher without understanding what the UN is and does, nor did he seem to take into consideration the ramifications of killing the Watcher (or, A Watcher).

Also, I doubt Storm, Johnny, and the others would demand back Gravity's body when Epoch was telling them that she/it needed his body for some truly grand, selfless cosmic reason...shouldn't they have heard her out first?

All in all, this issue was wonderfully Marvel-inclusive and felt like a great imaginative 80s title. The Alan Davis-stye art was also terrific.

I look forward to continuing to read this series...especially with the (Wingless) Wizard going to Saturn (somehow) to attack Sue and Reed in a few issues! Yowza! I love it!

Silent War: Well, I have to admit that I was a bit confused by this issue, and it seemed like a plateau issue in this 6-part series. Quicksilver's jumping around time, the presence of the obnoxious Layla Miller, and the backward-forward-backward way the story was told and illustrated left me at something of a loss in terms of clarity. I have to read it again: I'm not sure what's going on, but there seems to be major trouble ahead on the moon for the Inhumans. Will they lose their home again?

However, it was also wonderfully 'Marvel Inclusive,' with Multiple Man, Guido, Maximus the Mad, and others popping up the way they might (or should). So far, it's just a bit less good for me than Son of M was. But I'm enjoying it.

Marvel Previews...well, Save Your Pennies. A lot of good stuff seems to be coming out, especially in the X-books. The artwork on display was fantastic. I also look forward to Mighty Avengers, the preview of which said that Ultron 'rules the world' (a bit too soon after CW, I think) and the Black Widow takes over SHIELD! The second part sounds quite good to me. I hope she knocks off Agent Hill.

I didn't bother with the new issue of Wolverine...two issues was enough for me, since not much happened except some howling werewolves dreams and yet another seemingly endless Sabertooth/Logan bout. Does anyone want to spoil the new issue for me? If it sounds worthy, I'll pick it up.

Also, did the new Punisher come out about the new Hate Monger? If so, that's another book I'm interested in reading. The HM is, to me, the Bomb, and that's any HM, whether the Hitler Clone, Man-Beast, The Animus, or someone new.

Peace all.


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Dr. Shallot





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> McDuffie's Fantastic Four was...rather fantastic. THIS was the FF I've wanted to see: guest stars galore (Deathlok in human form, the Silver Surfer, Epoch, Starlight, the Watcher), a space mission, action, adventure, mystery.....and all in one issue! THIS single issue would have taken Bendis 9 boring issues to tell in NA.

I agree about the FF. This was a very good issue and the McDuffie/Pelletier team is excellent.
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> Great characterization throughout, though I doubt the Black Panther would have pointed the Ultimate Nullifier (another sort of 'guest star') at the Watcher without understanding what the UN is and does, nor did he seem to take into consideration the ramifications of killing the Watcher (or, A Watcher).

Yeah, this was pure bluff all the way. If the Watcher was nullified, the Earth would be screwed. Panther knows this. I didn't mind it though, because it does show how the team operates without Reed. Reed would have simply asked Uatu without the need for drama.
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> Also, I doubt Storm, Johnny, and the others would demand back Gravity's body when Epoch was telling them that she/it needed his body for some truly grand, selfless cosmic reason...shouldn't they have heard her out first?

Maybe, but it looks like the Surfer's arrival will put a stop to any dialogue.
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> All in all, this issue was wonderfully Marvel-inclusive and felt like a great imaginative 80s title. The Alan Davis-stye art was also terrific.
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> I look forward to continuing to read this series...especially with the (Wingless) Wizard going to Saturn (somehow) to attack Sue and Reed in a few issues! Yowza! I love it!
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> Silent War: Well, I have to admit that I was a bit confused by this issue, and it seemed like a plateau issue in this 6-part series. Quicksilver's jumping around time, the presence of the obnoxious Layla Miller, and the backward-forward-backward way the story was told and illustrated left me at something of a loss in terms of clarity. I have to read it again: I'm not sure what's going on, but there seems to be major trouble ahead on the moon for the Inhumans. Will they lose their home again?

This issue has lingered on my mind since I read it, and I'm really enjoying this mini. Layla Miller, a useless character in House of M, has been given substance in the hands of Peter David and Hine. What a wicked, wicked little girl. Here's how I interpreted it(and I have to admit I had to dwell on it for a bit): Layla hates Pietro. Due to the fact that she "knows stuff", she knew that the Inhumans would confront Pietro. Now, as stated in the issue, Pietro could have escaped easily, but he stayed and took his beating. Why? Because at some previous time, Layla had instructed Pietro to jump ahead in time and view the events. She let Pietro see the resolution-in which it appears Crystal and Quicksilver kiss and make up, but manipulated the events so he couldn't actually hear what was being said-which in actuality was Crystal dumping Pietro for good with one last kiss and hug goodbye.
She got his hopes up and made him endure all this only to be crushed at the end. Like I said-wicked girl. As far as the Inhumans home...well, since we know this event takes place before CW and Planet Hulk, I think we can assume everything works out. However, Pietro's vision of destruction and Luna's concern over Black Bolt surely caused the rather startling decision made by Medusa at issue's end.

I love this series. I hope Hine gets a full-time monthly soon.
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> However, it was also wonderfully 'Marvel Inclusive,' with Multiple Man, Guido, Maximus the Mad, and others popping up the way they might (or should). So far, it's just a bit less good for me than Son of M was. But I'm enjoying it.

Frazier's art seems bad in place(He makes Crystal look like a 6 year old girl), but the overall moody, creepy style is fitting for this story.
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> I didn't bother with the new issue of Wolverine...two issues was enough for me, since not much happened except some howling werewolves dreams and yet another seemingly endless Sabertooth/Logan bout. Does anyone want to spoil the new issue for me? If it sounds worthy, I'll pick it up.

I gave it the old flip-through. The art looks nice but are they going to battle every issue? I thought Sabretooth couldn't heal rapidly anymore, has that changed?
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> Also, did the new Punisher come out about the new Hate Monger? If so, that's another book I'm interested in reading. The HM is, to me, the Bomb, and that's any HM, whether the Hitler Clone, Man-Beast, The Animus, or someone new.

I don't know anything about it but I wouldn't be surprised if Punisher defeats him with one punch.

I've started to pick up Carey's X-Men by the way. I purchased the first 3 issues of his run, 188-190. I'll be reading them this weekend but I wanted to get up to speed because I'll probably be investing in this year's X-Crossover, which actually sounds interesting.
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> Peace all.




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Tiger Shark




Glad you also enjoyed the new FF. What fun! This book is going to be a grand ride. I'm on for all of McDuffie's tenure. With one issue! Just like Brubaker fixing Lorna in Uncanny. THAT'S a writer.

Are you sure the Panther was bluffing? I didn't get the feeling he was, though obviously the way Johnny gave Storm the info about the UN's location was done lightly. If it was a bluff, then the Panther rather underestimates the Watcher's intelligence.

Thanks for the wrap on SW. I'm sure you've got it down correctly. Now I think I've got it. Unfortunately, I was so confused that I stopped caring about 3/4ths of the way through, at least in a big way. The writer lost me. I do like the way Pietro is being used here and developed....and yes, Crystal and Luna looked almost interchangeable to me.

..but how did you interpret the last page? Medusa is giving it (and I mean 'It') up to Maximus in exchange for some kind of favor? What favor? Please explain---again. Tell all.

From the pcitures I've seen, the new Hate Monger is a really powerfully-built, uber-villain of the first or second magnitude, and not being treated like cannon fodder. I'm anxious to see who he is and what goes down.

Glad to hear you're on board for Carey's X-book. It's my favorite X-book right now--I think you'll find it a load of fun. Rogue hasn't been this interesting in 20 years. And I liked the second arc even better than the first.

I believe that, yes, Sabertooth's healing factor is still 'off,' which is good. Making him and Logan so impervious is foolish and boring, as IM has now become (except, of course, that he's a woman robot for the time being).

What is your understanding of the new X-cross-over? I see a lot of dazzling art (and a cool Art Adams Avengers poster to bootm, which even contains YellowJacket II, but I couldn't find Deathcry, just for the record), but I couldn't get any handle on what the cross-over/Big Event is actually about.

Thanks, as always.


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Dr. Shallot





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> Are you sure the Panther was bluffing? I didn't get the feeling he was, though obviously the way Johnny gave Storm the info about the UN's location was done lightly. If it was a bluff, then the Panther rather underestimates the Watcher's intelligence.

Well, I thought it was a pretty drastic action to take based on the corpse robbing of a person he never really knew. I like the Panther, but his recent characterization seems as if he's too full of himself to be willing to sacrifice himself for a stranger. So I thought it was a bluff, perhaps he had a conversation with Ben and Johnny about how in the past Reed has used it to bluff Galactus?
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> Thanks for the wrap on SW. I'm sure you've got it down correctly. Now I think I've got it. Unfortunately, I was so confused that I stopped caring about 3/4ths of the way through, at least in a big way. The writer lost me. I do like the way Pietro is being used here and developed....and yes, Crystal and Luna looked almost interchangeable to me.
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> ..but how did you interpret the last page? Medusa is giving it (and I mean 'It') up to Maximus in exchange for some kind of favor? What favor? Please explain---again. Tell all.

Well, the submissive posture of Medusa is intriguing. I certainly can't rule out the reveal of some twist, so I can't say for sure, but if I were to guess I'd say that her motivation is based out of concern for Black Bolt. As she said in this issue, the aggressive behavior he is displaying is not his way. Luna sees darkness in him and Pietro's vision of a powerful force destroying Attilan certainly could be caused by an out of control Black Bolt. So I think she is turning to Maximus because he is the only other person besides herself who really understands Black Bolt.
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> Glad to hear you're on board for Carey's X-book. It's my favorite X-book right now--I think you'll find it a load of fun. Rogue hasn't been this interesting in 20 years. And I liked the second arc even better than the first.
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> I believe that, yes, Sabertooth's healing factor is still 'off,' which is good. Making him and Logan so impervious is foolish and boring, as IM has now become (except, of course, that he's a woman robot for the time being).
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> What is your understanding of the new X-cross-over? I see a lot of dazzling art (and a cool Art Adams Avengers poster to bootm, which even contains YellowJacket II, but I couldn't find Deathcry, just for the record), but I couldn't get any handle on what the cross-over/Big Event is actually about.
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> Thanks, as always.

The upcoming crossover, to my understanding, is how the various teams are dealing with the fact that their race is on the verge of extinction. I don't know if there will be any new villains in the crossover, but the latest X-Factor has a group named "XCell" that could play a role. They are a group(and Pietro could be part of it) that believes the government is responsible for the massive amounts of mutants losing their powers and want to re-empower them.

I'm sure an "X-pert" might have more details.

With Carey, PAD, and Brubaker involved I've decided to invest in it.




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Tiger Shark




In Marvel Previews, they show the cover of X-men 200 (there are two, including an awesome Finch variant), which shows the various X-Men (not just Carey's team; Peter is there) going up against the revamped Maurauders, which includes Random, Vertigo, Arclight, Scalphunter, Riptide, a flaming guy I recognize but can't put my finger on, and one or two others (no Sabertooth or Malice shown; there is a pretty blonmd woman in white I don't recognize, who looks like Dagger [but can't be], and might be the Mutate Whitehout sans her headress).

This confirms to me that Random was dealing with Mr. Sinister at the end of the X-Men annual, and is now a Maurauder. I think Carey will do this evil team, much beloved by me, and Mr. Sinister, who has been watered down over the years, proud.

So you think Medusa might be offering her womanhood to Maximus? In exhange for help of some kind? I loved Maximus back in the Day, when he was a part of the Kree-SKrull War and led his evil Inhumans around, including Timberius (an early prototype of what Black Tom Cassady and the Plant Man would become), the Lion-like guy, and the centaur-like guy (Stallionus?). Where are they now? Timberius was especially cool.

By the way--SPOILER--the initial pages for Planet Hulk show Hulk going up against Blackbolt (and on the moon, hint), who gives Hulk the full vocal scream treatment--I mean the FULL SALVO--and the Hulk just gets up and comes after him. Great Romita Jr. art''Medusa looks fantastic, and is back in costume.

Peace.






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Attok12




....Starlight?


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Tiger Shark




He/She/It appears in the beginning of the issue, as some other force (apparently Epoch?) investigates the aftermath of, I think, Gravity's death in BEYOND! The unknown force notices something coming, and blinks out somehow, and then we see that the arriving 'thing' is Starlight.

Throughout, there's a very cool use of Marvel characters, as I said. The writer reminds me a lot of Byrne at his best, of whom I remain a big fan.

How are you feeling?


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Dr. Shallot




> In Marvel Previews, they show the cover of X-men 200 (there are two, including an awesome Finch variant), which shows the various X-Men (not just Carey's team; Peter is there) going up against the revamped Maurauders, which includes Random, Vertigo, Arclight, Scalphunter, Riptide, a flaming guy I recognize but can't put my finger on, and one or two others (no Sabertooth or Malice shown; there is a pretty blonmd woman in white I don't recognize, who looks like Dagger [but can't be], and might be the Mutate Whitehout sans her headress).
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> This confirms to me that Random was dealing with Mr. Sinister at the end of the X-Men annual, and is now a Maurauder. I think Carey will do this evil team, much beloved by me, and Mr. Sinister, who has been watered down over the years, proud.

I've seen the Finch cover, which is very impressive. It's been so long since I've followed the x-books(Uncanny and X-Factor have brought me back), but I still fondly remember the Marauder/mutant massacre days. I hope it reinvigorates Sinister as well, and perhaps the extinction of the mutant race is a goal of his, for reasons yet unstated. With the mutant population down to a small number a new group of Marauders has to be considered a major threat.
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> So you think Medusa might be offering her womanhood to Maximus? In exhange for help of some kind? I loved Maximus back in the Day, when he was a part of the Kree-SKrull War and led his evil Inhumans around, including Timberius (an early prototype of what Black Tom Cassady and the Plant Man would become), the Lion-like guy, and the centaur-like guy (Stallionus?). Where are they now? Timberius was especially cool.

Well, while the jury is still out if she's offering her womanhood up(I hope not), I do think she will make some sort of deal with Maximus. Maximus states something like "you again" so you can assume she's come to him before. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Maximus hasn't been a major player in a while, at least that I remember. Reestablishing him as one of the top baddies would be a good move IMO.
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> By the way--SPOILER--the initial pages for Planet Hulk show Hulk going up against Blackbolt (and on the moon, hint), who gives Hulk the full vocal scream treatment--I mean the FULL SALVO--and the Hulk just gets up and comes after him. Great Romita Jr. art''Medusa looks fantastic, and is back in costume.

I think I saw these pics over at Newsarama. It does look impressive and I'm looking forward to the series, although I think I will only get the main mini and Hulk book tie-ins. Unless Hulk kills Sally Floyd, in which case I'll buy multiple copies of that issue. \:\-\)
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Tiger Shark




That Lorna's too small and way to the side/back. P-U on that. I mean, even Darwin is more prominent. But otherwise it's fairly grand.

I hope you also remember the Marauder's finest hour, which was before and during Inferno, when Lorna was possessed by Malice in rather grand style--and Malice was responsible for Lorna's awful hair, she had to be! It was terrific that they struck and withdrew, struck and withdrew, instead of simply participating in one battle, losing, and being rounded up, which is so often the very tired case.

I, too, hope Medusa won't be offering up her womanhood to Maximus, as that certainly wouldn't please BB, be very royal, nor is it necessary in hero comics to have such scenes.

But somehow I got that feeling that that is what we were to infer. I just can't imagine what he could do for her that someone else couldn't, unless she really needs a rogue for some reason. But yes, it would be grand to see him return to prominence as a Red Skull/Doctor Doom/Loki/Mandarin-level threat.

Do you remember this cover? Go, Maximus, go. Neal Adams will always be The Man in my book.

Yours too, I bet, and JimJ's.




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Fiasco





> McDuffie's Fantastic Four was...rather fantastic. THIS was the FF I've wanted to see: guest stars galore (Deathlok in human form, the Silver Surfer, Epoch, Starlight, the Watcher), a space mission, action, adventure, mystery.....and all in one issue! THIS single issue would have taken Bendis 9 boring issues to tell in NA.
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> And this issue completely lacked the FF endless hand-wringing we've seen for the last couple of years, and stinky art.
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> Great characterization throughout, though I doubt the Black Panther would have pointed the Ultimate Nullifier (another sort of 'guest star') at the Watcher without understanding what the UN is and does, nor did he seem to take into consideration the ramifications of killing the Watcher (or, A Watcher).
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> Also, I doubt Storm, Johnny, and the others would demand back Gravity's body when Epoch was telling them that she/it needed his body for some truly grand, selfless cosmic reason...shouldn't they have heard her out first?
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> All in all, this issue was wonderfully Marvel-inclusive and felt like a great imaginative 80s title. The Alan Davis-stye art was also terrific.
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> I look forward to continuing to read this series...especially with the (Wingless) Wizard going to Saturn (somehow) to attack Sue and Reed in a few issues! Yowza! I love it!


This, to me is great news. I havent read the issue yet and now look forward to doing so. I'm one of those "on the fence types" when it comes to Civil War, it's ramifications and landscape that was left as a result. I find myself NOT liking a lot of things, yet still reading to see what happens next. As a result, i've dropped several books, and Fantastic Four is one of those books that was on the bubble (I wanted to see the first few issues by McDuffie before cutting the cord). If the issue delivers even half of what you say (and no, I am not questioning your integrity, just saying you gave it high praise) then i'll be keeping FF on my pull list.

I also agree with your take on the first two issues of the current Wolverine arc. Wolvie's solo series and Origins series met with my chopping block along with several other books.
I'm no longer going to reward Marvel (or DC, though they do it to a lesser extent) with my readership on titles that produce very little per issue and then take too many issues to tell an inconclusive, open-ended story...and the Sabretooth fight is overplayed. This grudge match lost all of it's cache when these characters started ripping each other's throats and hearts out years ago. There's just nothing interesting or new in having these two fight - well, at least in the context it's being told in.

I find myself desperately hoping That World War Hulk and Spider-Man's One more day arcs deliver, because my pull list is very thin these days, and I could really use my old reliable, fun Marvel back.


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Tiger Shark




...and so gives us quite a build up for things to come.

But after BEYOND!, I think McDuffie has proven that he understands the traditional, historic MU Proper in a way that Bendis, for instance, does not, nor Ellis, nor Millar (if the last two even try to).

McDuffie effortlessly (that's the key word to his talent) brings in the Black Panther, Storm, Deathlok, Gravity (in absentee), the Watcher, Starlight, Epoch....fluidly, and in cases where the characters already know one another to some degree, we seque right into the relationship/renewed friendship, believe it, and then go on with the story, very comfortably. He did this in BEYOND! as well.

Unlike in Bendis' stilted, irrational NA, where everyone seems to suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder, trust no one, not know themselves, and have endless mucky personal problems to boot..so the 'story' gets all caught up in a bunch of superfluous, boring, tedious mucky-muck instead of getting on with a solid story.

I, too, have cut most Marvel titles, but I think things are looking brighter now that CW is over and writers like Carey, Brubaker, Pak, McDuffie, Giffen, and others are getting their due.

Brubaker and Carey's X-books, Annihilation, Silent War, Pak's Hulk, now the FF (and Yes, even Bendis' Mighty Avengers so far, on the basis of a single issue, which felt more like the Avengers to me since anything since the short Johns era) are all promising and enjoyable. Despite the death, Captain America has also been interesting under Brubaker, who brought back Doctor Faustus and the Sleeper robots.

I WANT to buy more Marvel books, I really do, and can afford to; but like you, I won't buy repetitive stuff (like 'Wolverine,' which I gave two issues to move, but it remained constipated at the end of the second issue with more weird implants/dreams, and yet another 'all-out-and'final' confrontation with you-know-who) or badly-written, 'depressing,' unimginative, neo-noirish stuff, in which I have no interest.

A bunch of heroes with endless (and I mean endless) personal problems that take over the foreground of the title--no thanks.

Peace, and enjoy the FF!




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Spiffy




> ...and so gives us quite a build up for things to come.
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> But after BEYOND!, I think McDuffie has proven that he understands the traditional, historic MU Proper in a way that Bendis, for instance, does not, nor Ellis, nor Millar (if the last two even try to).
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> McDuffie effortlessly (that's the key word to his talent) brings in the Black Panther, Storm, Deathlok, Gravity (in absentee), the Watcher, Starlight, Epoch....fluidly, and in cases where the characters already know one another to some degree, we seque right into the relationship/renewed friendship, believe it, and then go on with the story, very comfortably. He did this in BEYOND! as well.
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> Unlike in Bendis' stilted, irrational NA, where everyone seems to suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder, trust no one, not know themselves, and have endless mucky personal problems to boot..so the 'story' gets all caught up in a bunch of superfluous, boring, tedious mucky-muck instead of getting on with a solid story.
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> I, too, have cut most Marvel titles, but I think things are looking brighter now that CW is over and writers like Carey, Brubaker, Pak, McDuffie, Giffen, and others are getting their due.
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> Brubaker and Carey's X-books, Annihilation, Silent War, Pak's Hulk, now the FF (and Yes, even Bendis' Mighty Avengers so far, on the basis of a single issue, which felt more like the Avengers to me since anything since the short Johns era) are all promising and enjoyable. Despite the death, Captain America has also been interesting under Brubaker, who brought back Doctor Faustus and the Sleeper robots.
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> I WANT to buy more Marvel books, I really do, and can afford to; but like you, I won't buy repetitive stuff (like 'Wolverine,' which I gave two issues to move, but it remained constipated at the end of the second issue with more weird implants/dreams, and yet another 'all-out-and'final' confrontation with you-know-who) or badly-written, 'depressing,' unimginative, neo-noirish stuff, in which I have no interest.
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> A bunch of heroes with endless (and I mean endless) personal problems that take over the foreground of the title--no thanks.
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> Peace, and enjoy the FF!

McDuffie definitely has the "touch" which eludes most modern Marvel writers. I didn't even like Beyond all that much, but I've been totally on board his 3 FF issues. They've been just great.


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Pav




> McDuffie's Fantastic Four was...rather fantastic. THIS was the FF I've wanted to see: guest stars galore (Deathlok in human form, the Silver Surfer, Epoch, Starlight, the Watcher), a space mission, action, adventure, mystery.....and all in one issue! THIS single issue would have taken Bendis 9 boring issues to tell in NA.

I'm slightly torn about getting the FF. I've NEVER bought an issue - never was even interested really. But I did love Beyond, and Gravity particularly. If he is coming back, then maybe I'll pick up the trade.


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> Silent War: Well, I have to admit that I was a bit confused by this issue, and it seemed like a plateau issue in this 6-part series. Quicksilver's jumping around time, the presence of the obnoxious Layla Miller, and the backward-forward-backward way the story was told and illustrated left me at something of a loss in terms of clarity. I have to read it again: I'm not sure what's going on, but there seems to be major trouble ahead on the moon for the Inhumans. Will they lose their home again?
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> However, it was also wonderfully 'Marvel Inclusive,' with Multiple Man, Guido, Maximus the Mad, and others popping up the way they might (or should). So far, it's just a bit less good for me than Son of M was. But I'm enjoying it.
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I'm totally enjoying Silent War. I didn't pick up Son of M (but plan to) and I've never been interested in the Inhumans, but because of the X-Factor connection, I decided to pick this mini up. Man, I'm glad I did. The Marvel Exclusiveness which you so accurately described is a huge reason why: I love a book that has characters from across the MU, but also fits them in seamlessly. The art is different but pretty cool and it fits, and the writing has been superb. (I, for one, had no trouble following the story in this issue.) But I love Jamie and Layla, and it was great seeing them in action - hopefully they stick around.

Quicksilver's quickly become one of my favorite characters in the MU since his transformation. He's got a deliciously not-sane approach to his new powers, he's got plenty of ties around the MU, he's just great. I can't wait to see what happens next issue.


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Tiger Shark




So far everything that happens in this issue is predicated on getting back Gravity's corpse, which was mysteriously stolen from its grave.

It looks as if we'll see him alive in the near future, but the plot might be slightly deceiving about this. Still, we know he has some kind of destiny ahead after BEYOND!, presumably as a sentient being and not as a moldering corpse.

If you love SW and Quicksilver, the you must read Son of M. IMO, it's the first time QS has really progressed forward as a character in more than 20 years. I really enjoyed it.

Also, look out for his about-to-be released action figure ($8.99-$9.99 and up, depending on where you buy it) in the Marvel Legends Hasbro line. See attachment. The variant figure, which will be much harder to find, is in his original green costume.

I apologize to Marvelous News for copying the photo.

Peace, and enjoy!


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> ...and so gives us quite a build up for things to come.
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> But after BEYOND!, I think McDuffie has proven that he understands the traditional, historic MU Proper in a way that Bendis, for instance, does not, nor Ellis, nor Millar (if the last two even try to).

He "understands" it in a way the others don't? Isn't it all a matter of interpretation? McDuffie is great but I see nothing to indicate that he understands anything better. Its just how he choose to interpret it. Bendis and Millar usually have a noir-ish and grim side to their stories while McDuffie prefers to write his "high flying action issues".

I won't even get into his little continuity flop with The Watcher.

> McDuffie effortlessly (that's the key word to his talent) brings in the Black Panther, Storm, Deathlok, Gravity (in absentee), the Watcher, Starlight, Epoch....fluidly, and in cases where the characters already know one another to some degree, we seque right into the relationship/renewed friendship, believe it, and then go on with the story, very comfortably. He did this in BEYOND! as well.

Really? I thought it felt a little forced. Hardly anyone knows Deathlok, but they're hopping around into space for him to retrieve a body that some cosmic power appears to have serious plans for. It all seemed a bit knee jerk. No thought was given to what they were doing, or the implications or anything. Deathlok shows up, says the kids body is missing and they all blast off with no discussion. The story was great mind you, just that it happened a bit quickly with no thought given to ramifications.

> Unlike in Bendis' stilted, irrational NA, where everyone seems to suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder, trust no one, not know themselves, and have endless mucky personal problems to boot..so the 'story' gets all caught up in a bunch of superfluous, boring, tedious mucky-muck instead of getting on with a solid story.

I like Bendis' take on New Avengers. I personally don't like perfect heroes and especially with the new status of the team it seems like they all have reason not to smile.

I enjoy McDuffie's FF though, but I look at it differently. Its what I want out of an Fantastic Four story. I wouldn't want Bendis on the FF because the FF are adventurers and a family. I wouldn't want to see them broken down, distrustful of each other etc. Plus his storytelling can tend to drag on (although his Illuminati mini is pretty good).

In another vein I'm not sure I'd want to read Dwayne on Daredevil, or the Punisher or even New Avengers. I'd like to see his takes on Spider-Man and "classic" Avengers though.

> I, too, have cut most Marvel titles, but I think things are looking brighter now that CW is over and writers like Carey, Brubaker, Pak, McDuffie, Giffen, and others are getting their due.

Eh

> Brubaker and Carey's X-books, Annihilation, Silent War, Pak's Hulk, now the FF (and Yes, even Bendis' Mighty Avengers so far, on the basis of a single issue, which felt more like the Avengers to me since anything since the short Johns era) are all promising and enjoyable. Despite the death, Captain America has also been interesting under Brubaker, who brought back Doctor Faustus and the Sleeper robots.
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> I WANT to buy more Marvel books, I really do, and can afford to; but like you, I won't buy repetitive stuff (like 'Wolverine,' which I gave two issues to move, but it remained constipated at the end of the second issue with more weird implants/dreams, and yet another 'all-out-and'final' confrontation with you-know-who) or badly-written, 'depressing,' unimginative, neo-noirish stuff, in which I have no interest.
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> A bunch of heroes with endless (and I mean endless) personal problems that take over the foreground of the title--no thanks.
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> Peace, and enjoy the FF!
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> So far everything that happens in this issue is predicated on getting back Gravity's corpse, which was mysteriously stolen from its grave.
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> It looks as if we'll see him alive in the near future, but the plot might be slightly deceiving about this. Still, we know he has some kind of destiny ahead after BEYOND!, presumably as a sentient being and not as a moldering corpse.
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> If you love SW and Quicksilver, the you must read Son of M. IMO, it's the first time QS has really progressed forward as a character in more than 20 years. I really enjoyed it.

It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens to 'ole Greg in FF. He was a really cool new character, and so I hope he gets treated well. Marvel seems to have so few new great characters pop up, I'd hate to see one of the few killed and forgotten about.

But one of the things that I forgot to mention about the latest Silent War - maybe my FAVORITE thing of the whole issue - was the interaction between the two precocious pipsqueaks: Layla Miller and Luna. I think they're too of my most fascinating characters in the MU right now, and I'd love to see more of them together. In fact, I'd love to see an antagonistic "team" of kids take on the Runaways (not really against, but maybe just with differing views) with those two young ladies as members. Maybe throw in Billy Conners, Juston Seyfert, Leech, and a couple other young guns.


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Because that may have something to do with why I like McDuffie and you like him less. I admit his work has a very light touch (but so did much of Byrne's, and I love Byrne, though McDuffie is lighter still by far), but that's fine with me as long as the story moves along at a good pace, is credible, and imaginative.

I admit this new FF zipped off into space 1-2-3, but after CW, who wouldn't want to get off of Earth and forget its ugly CW-related problems? I would if I could.

And this is what the classic, never-bettered Stan Lee/Kirby/Buscema FF (Byrne's was next-best, IMO) used to do--go adventuring and exploring, chasing after the Watcher, the Inhumans, Him, Diablo, Ronan, Annihilus, Dr. Doom, the Mole Man, Attuma, Galactus, Blaastar, the Brute, the Monster from the Lost Lagoon, Kang, the Sub-Mariner, the Skrulls, the Psycho Man, the Black Panther, the Impossible Man...

Deathlok has fought alongside a lot of the MU Proper Big Guns--he received a lot of exposure for a good spell in the 70s. So they should know him and/or know of him. The Thing was just surprised that the mighty Deathlok was, in human form, a rather slightly-built man.

So, no, looking back over my 40 years of Marvel History, I don't think that McDuffie's take on the MU happens to be a random occurrence. Like Giffen, Carey, and Pak, his work is very much in the classic Marvel tradition that lasted from the Silver Age through the late 80s, which is not to say that that tradition was all of one piece or of a single vein. Just as Brubaker's Uncanny X-Men work is thus far.

Clearly, there were fair differences between the Roy Thomas/John Buscema 'Mighty Avengers,' the Wolfman/Colon 'Tomb of Dracula,' the Conan books, Bob Layton's 'Iron Man,' Claremont's 'Uncanny X-Men,' and Jim Starlin's space operas. However, when and if needed, the characters from these titles could seque into one another quite beautifully, and did.

THAT was the Classic Marvel style. One single vast universe, which was an imaginative, creative, and dynamic sci-fi/fantasy/super hero universe in which anything could happen and often did.

However, Ellis, Bendis, and Millar's takes are typically very much nouveau animals.

Bendis' Mighty Avengers # 1 felt very close to 'classic Marvel,' no doubt by intent (just as his two recent Illuminati books have), but the NA certainly does not and hasn't from the get go--no doubt equally on purpose: Bendis is attempting to put his own very personal stamp on it.

Fine; but I don't care for creators who serve up their own personalities and idiosyncrecies (sp?) to readers before they serve up the characters and stories they're working on and with.

Millar's CW certainly didn't portray the classic Marvel Universe in any sense, nor did Ellis' NextWave, which completely discombobulated Photon/Pulsar. Or should I say diss-combobulated her?

So, No, it's not all a matter of interpretation, or 'any interpretion is acceptable or valid' by any means as I see it.

That's like saying that a new writer can join the bullpen of 'The Simpsons' and turn Bart, Homer, and Lisa into serious, dour, utterly paranoid beings that would fit nicely into the X-Files or '24'.

'The Simpsons' isn't defined by being 'just anything,' it's one very specific thing, one very specific satircal universe, just as the Bundi-verse was on 'Married With Children.'

When the Sci-Fi Channel tried to interpret Ursula LeGuinn's 'EarthSea Trilogy,' they got it all wrong in every way, as one would expect them to do since most of their productions are lousy, and thus the completed film had nothing or little to do with the novels--very unlike Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, which came within 93% of the capturing the spirit of the books, and thus were a huge success around the globe.

And clearly, I think Carey, McDuffie, Pak, Giffen and Brubaker understand the classic MU Proper (which didn't 'need to be fixed') just as John Byrne did, and as Kurt Busiek did to a lesser degree, though for me, Kurt B's Avengers was more of a copy than a continuation on the classic tone, vibe, tenor, and feel.

Peace.




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Tiger Shark




...why take an established fantasy universe (which is what the MU Proper basically is, with most of its 'sci-fi' elements being grounded in fantasy), whether it be the MU, the DCU, Middle Earth, Narnia, EarthSea, Star Wars U, or Pellucidar, and draining out (bleeding out might be a better phrase) about 95% of the fantasy element, and condemning to limbo/obscurity 85% of its characters? What's the point?

After almost 40 years of being such a successful, instantly-recognizable universe, and one of the most successful such universes ever created, JQ came along with Marvel Knights, and then his EIC status, and drained away most of what defined the MU, even into the Harras 90s, which, looking back now, don't seem as bad as they did at the time (X-Men 2099, The Crossing, etc.). At least Harras tried to keep the traditional MU ball rolling.

Yes, in the last 3 years, we've seen an influx of more traditional projects and writers coming on to long-running series and mini-series (Pak, Giffen, McDuffie, Carey, etc.), but as Civil War (the actual series itself) proved (and HOM and Secret War before it), the central MU Proper is still a fairly dull, noir-ish, unimaginative place, one directly created and installed/implemented by JQ, and his inner cabal.




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