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Skippy




Can anyone out there help me build a list of characters (both heroes and villains) who are immune to mind-control through various methods. Off the top of my head, I can come up with the following:

Iron Man
Magneto
Juggernaut
Sage
Jessica Jones

Thanks for the help,
Skippy


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BlakGard




> Can anyone out there help me build a list of characters (both heroes
> and villains) who are immune to mind-control through various methods.
> Off the top of my head, I can come up with the following:

Apart from really powerful cosmic/magical beings, no one is immune to mind-control, just varying degrees of resistance.

> Iron Man

Not immune to mind-control, as Yinsen what's-his-name showed us.

> Magneto

Not immune to mind-control. What Xavier did to him is a form of mind-control. Xorn temporarily controlled him.

> Juggernaut

Only with his helmet on. Once it's off, he's a normal guy when it comes to mind-control.

> Sage

Not immune to mind-control. Elias Bogan ring any bells?

> Jessica Jones

Not immune to mind-control. Purple Man really messed her up through mind-control.

Storm has often been said to have an indomitable will that makes her highly resistant to mind-control. Still, she's been mind-controlled.

Shadowcat has been said to have a "slippery mind" when she's phasing. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
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emerickman




I wonder(ed) about that to but usually have no choice but to leave it up to the writer of any given story in some cases. I'm sure someone can reference DrStrange or AdamWarlock psi-protected to some or all degree at times. Moondragon? Maybe should find Warlock and the Infinity Watch series to see if they covered the topic with that Mind Gem. I wonder if Cosmic Awareness or Epoch-Bands should be almost infallible to a big degree? Also wasn't it in the classic Uncanny 141 or 142 where Mystique was wearing psi protection/masking tech (made by Stark?) -- that has never been reused yet? Doesn't Mags helmet protect him too (technically not an immunity)? And speaking of mutants, I posted this on the CBMB awhile ago too usggesting a character might be trained to fight off mind-control:





> > Can anyone out there help me build a list of characters (both heroes
> > and villains) who are immune to mind-control through various methods.
> > Off the top of my head, I can come up with the following:
>
> Apart from really powerful cosmic/magical beings, no one is immune to mind-control, just varying degrees of resistance.
>
> > Iron Man
>
> Not immune to mind-control, as Yinsen what's-his-name showed us.
>
> > Magneto
>
> Not immune to mind-control. What Xavier did to him is a form of mind-control. Xorn temporarily controlled him.
>
> > Juggernaut
>
> Only with his helmet on. Once it's off, he's a normal guy when it comes to mind-control.
>
> > Sage
>
> Not immune to mind-control. Elias Bogan ring any bells?
>
> > Jessica Jones
>
> Not immune to mind-control. Purple Man really messed her up through mind-control.
>
> Storm has often been said to have an indomitable will that makes her highly resistant to mind-control. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
>
> Shadowcat has been said to have a "slippery mind" when she's phasing. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
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>


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Piotr W.




> Storm has often been said to have an indomitable will that makes her highly resistant to mind-control. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
>
> Shadowcat has been said to have a "slippery mind" when she's phasing. Still, she's been mind-controlled.

Spiral might be immune to at least some forms of mind-control. She was able to resists Psylocke's telepathy... and when Rogue tried to absorb her powers, it backfired and Spiral possessed Rogue's body instead.

And what about various android characters? Does mind-control work on Vision, for example?


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xposed




> I wonder(ed) about that to but usually have no choice but to leave it up to the writer of any given story in some cases. I'm sure someone can reference DrStrange or AdamWarlock psi-protected to some or all degree at times. Moondragon? Maybe should find Warlock and the Infinity Watch series to see if they covered the topic with that Mind Gem. I wonder if Cosmic Awareness or Epoch-Bands should be almost infallible to a big degree? Also wasn't it in the classic Uncanny 141 or 142 where Mystique was wearing psi protection/masking tech (made by Stark?) -- that has never been reused yet? Doesn't Mags helmet protect him too (technically not an immunity)? And speaking of mutants, I posted this on the CBMB awhile ago too usggesting a character might be trained to fight off mind-control:
>

also one could think that all of the Xmen should be trained on mind-control defense, as his leader is(well...was) the most powerfull mutant mind.

>
>
>
>
> > > Can anyone out there help me build a list of characters (both heroes
> > > and villains) who are immune to mind-control through various methods.
> > > Off the top of my head, I can come up with the following:
> >
> > Apart from really powerful cosmic/magical beings, no one is immune to mind-control, just varying degrees of resistance.
> >
> > > Iron Man
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control, as Yinsen what's-his-name showed us.
> >
> > > Magneto
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control. What Xavier did to him is a form of mind-control. Xorn temporarily controlled him.
> >
> > > Juggernaut
> >
> > Only with his helmet on. Once it's off, he's a normal guy when it comes to mind-control.
> >
> > > Sage
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control. Elias Bogan ring any bells?
> >
> > > Jessica Jones
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control. Purple Man really messed her up through mind-control.
> >
> > Storm has often been said to have an indomitable will that makes her highly resistant to mind-control. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
> >
> > Shadowcat has been said to have a "slippery mind" when she's phasing. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
> > ____________________
> >


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Tiger Shark




...in fact, I can't think of a single character in the MU that has ever proven to be beyond it or simpy has the innate power to be.



Omar K. might know of one or several, but I don't.



We know that both Prof. X and Doctor Strange are not immune to it, and they're both characters one might think would be immune to it, if anyone.


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Skippy




> > Iron Man
>
> Not immune to mind-control, as Yinsen what's-his-name showed us.

Back in Thunderbolts #12 he is the only one not affected by Zemo's mind-control when the rest of the Avengers are under his thrall. He explains that, after being mind-controlled so many times, he built safe-guards against it into his armor.
>
> > Magneto
>
> Not immune to mind-control. What Xavier did to him is a form of mind-control. Xorn temporarily controlled him.

If we're talking about the Collective incident, Xorn and the rest of the mutant energy took over his body. It is clearly shown that his mind was still his own in those scenes. I suppose Sublime managed to influence him, but only after the Sublime bacteria was ingested into his body. His helmet, on many, many occassions, has been stated to make him immune to telepathic attacks from Xavier, much like Juggernaut's, which is why I included him on the list.
>
> > Juggernaut
>
> Only with his helmet on. Once it's off, he's a normal guy when it comes to mind-control.

Right.
>
> > Sage
>
> Not immune to mind-control. Elias Bogan ring any bells?

Didn't read X-Treme X-Men, but my understanding was that, as long as she doesn't use her telepathy in an active fashion, she can use it in a passive way, protecting her mind from outward telepathic influence.
>
> > Jessica Jones
>
> Not immune to mind-control. Purple Man really messed her up through mind-control.

And after that happened Jean Grey messed with her mind to make her immune to it in the future.

There are definitely few characters that are completely immune, but I think there are definitely some who have certain methods of resistance. Perhaps I worded the question incorrectly. Also, as was pointed out by another poster, the writer probably has a lot to do with it. How many Iron Man writers do you think even remember or care about the passing reference from Thunderbolts #12?

I suppose this is a more difficult question than I may have originally assumed. Ah well. Thanks for the input, everyone.

- Skippy


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seeker




> Can anyone out there help me build a list of characters (both heroes and villains) who are immune to mind-control through various methods. Off the top of my head, I can come up with the following:
>
> Iron Man
> Magneto
> Juggernaut
> Sage
> Jessica Jones
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Skippy

As has been pointed out many iof these characters either have some device like Iron Man and Juggernaut taht protect them or a high level of resistance such as Magneto. Another example would be Quasar. His quantum bands protected him from scientific forms of mind control such as from the Over-Mind. However, the Enchantress was able to control him through magic for awhile till his bands zapped him out of it. Thor has also at times displayed strong resistance to mental influcence, but has been breached in the past.


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> ...in fact, I can't think of a single character in the MU that has ever proven to be beyond it or simpy has the innate power to be.

Speedball's mind was immune to any telepathic abilities, as mentioned by the Gamesmaster whose power allowed him to read almost every mind on Earth, but even he couldn't read Speedball's mind. (Robbie Baldwins mind I'm not too sure about, as there was a definite physical transformation from non-powered to powered modes)


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BlakGard




> > Storm has often been said to have an indomitable will that makes
> > her highly resistant to mind-control. Still, she's been
> > mind-controlled.
> >
> > Shadowcat has been said to have a "slippery mind" when she's
> > phasing. Still, she's been mind-controlled.
>
> Spiral might be immune to at least some forms of mind-control. She
> was able to resists Psylocke's telepathy... and when Rogue tried to
> absorb her powers, it backfired and Spiral possessed Rogue's body
> instead.

Spiral wasn't much problem for Nocturne to possess though.

> And what about various android characters? Does mind-control work on
> Vision, for example?

Not usually, but it's possible that "cyberpaths" like Sage can (it can also open Sage up to control from the android, like The Fury did).
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BlakGard




> > > Iron Man
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control, as Yinsen what's-his-name showed us.
>
> Back in Thunderbolts #12 he is the only one not affected by Zemo's
> mind-control when the rest of the Avengers are under his thrall. He
> explains that, after being mind-controlled so many times, he built
> safe-guards against it into his armor.

Still wouldn't say immune.

> > > Magneto
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control. What Xavier did to him is a form of
> > mind-control. Xorn temporarily controlled him.
>
> If we're talking about the Collective incident, Xorn and the rest of
> the mutant energy took over his body. It is clearly shown that his
> mind was still his own in those scenes. I suppose Sublime managed to
> influence him, but only after the Sublime bacteria was ingested into
> his body. His helmet, on many, many occassions, has been stated to
> make him immune to telepathic attacks from Xavier, much like
> Juggernaut's, which is why I included him on the list.

During the Collective incident, Our Lord Magneto only had a very weak level of control over himself (just enough to tell the New Avengers to kill him). The rest of him was under the control of Xorn.

> > > Sage
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control. Elias Bogan ring any bells?
>
> Didn't read X-Treme X-Men, but my understanding was that, as long as
> she doesn't use her telepathy in an active fashion, she can use it in
> a passive way, protecting her mind from outward telepathic influence.

Protection, sure. Everybody has various degrees of protection from mind-control. She's been mind-controlled by at least Elias Bogan and the android The Fury, and possibly even Xavier, himself.

> > > Jessica Jones
> >
> > Not immune to mind-control. Purple Man really messed her up through
> > mind-control.
>
> And after that happened Jean Grey messed with her mind to make her
> immune to it in the future.

Again, I wouldn't say immune. Such things have to be maintained, as well, just like practicing martial arts, or they fall to entropy.
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Piotr W.




> Spiral wasn't much problem for Nocturne to possess though.

Good point.

> > And what about various android characters? Does mind-control work on
> > Vision, for example?
>
> Not usually, but it's possible that "cyberpaths" like Sage can (it can also open Sage up to control from the android, like The Fury did).

Slightly OT: what about normal telepathy? Are MU telepaths able to establish mind-contact with androids like they do with humans? For example, could Jean Grey read Vision's mind?


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> Slightly OT: what about normal telepathy? Are MU telepaths able to establish mind-contact with androids like they do with humans? For example, could Jean Grey read Vision's mind?

Not that I recall, it's more often a plot point that the telepath can't read the mind of the android, so they can't know their plans.


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