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Attok12




....and gets promptly wasted in a single page. I'm talking about Zzzax. Take a look at the preview of the new SHE-HULK issue he's in next week (there are previews of other books, too).

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0704/05/marvelfirsts.htm

One of my favorite Zzzax issues was when he fought Luke Cage in POWER MAN #47. Did you read that one? It took an entire issue to defeat the mighty Zzzax. Now he's a chump in a long line of chumps. *sigh* Poor Zzzax. I think he's still a very viable villain in this day and age, but alas....


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Attok12




Poor Zzzax.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0704/05/shehulk174.htm


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Piotr W.




> Poor Zzzax.
>
> http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0704/05/shehulk174.htm

I actually felt a little sorry for him...


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Dr. Shallot




I'm not a Slott apologist, but let's look at Zzzax's chumpitude in context. In the first few pages, much like a musical montage(with accompanying altered Ghostbusters theme) the Hulkbusters round up a bunch of old Hulk foes. We are not privy to all that takes place. You can carry this over to the Zzzax fight. We only see the conclusion. Zzzax even states that he needs more energy(and thus he's probably vulnerable at this point) and let's face it-SHIELD has access to the most sophisticated scientific equipment on Earth. If anyone has a way to contain Zzzax it's them. The point of the current arc in She-Hulk is to have Jen round up a lot of old Hulk foes for Tony's "Project Acchiles". Although it hasn't been revealed yet, I'm sure it's one of Tony's precautions against the Hulk's return.

Obviously I haven't read the entire issue yet and could have a different opinion next week, but I don't really mind this. There could be a fight that lasts 10 pages, but there would be less time to focus on what seems to be the focal point of this issue;to have Jen discover Stark's role in Bruce's dissapearance. Now that I'm looking forward to!

And to be fair, the last couple of issues had long battles with both the Abombination and Wendigo. I'll also be the first to admit that Abombination didn't receive the respect he deserves in that issue.

Zzzax may have some time in the spotlight during the World War Hulk series. Yeah, he got captured like a ghoul from Ghostbusters but I don't think it is a big deal. But that's me.

Of course everyone has their favorite characters, so reaction is going to differ, that's why I try to stay out of the "you're ruining my favorite charcters' debates which stir up the passions of many fans.

Ghostbusted or head in toilet...which is worse? \:\-\)




> ....and gets promptly wasted in a single page. I'm talking about Zzzax. Take a look at the preview of the new SHE-HULK issue he's in next week (there are previews of other books, too).
>
> http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0704/05/marvelfirsts.htm
>
> One of my favorite Zzzax issues was when he fought Luke Cage in POWER MAN #47. Did you read that one? It took an entire issue to defeat the mighty Zzzax. Now he's a chump in a long line of chumps. *sigh* Poor Zzzax. I think he's still a very viable villain in this day and age, but alas....




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vanhelsin




I have an INCREDIBLE HULK issue where he does nothing but whine about not wanting to return to the coldness of space and is promptly defeated by the Banner controlled Hulk, in one of the last issues of Bill Mantlo's Banner controlled Hulk stories, just before the Mindless Hulk returned.

So Zzax being promptly defeated really isn't anything surprising, actually. That issue of POWER MAN was a good issue, no doubt about it, but every character fights characters differently.


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vanhelsin




I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop. Might as well say, "Oh that poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for the wrong side... \:\-p


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BlakGard




> I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop. Might as well say, "Oh that
> poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that
> poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for
> the wrong side... \:\-p

The difference between Zzzax and Juggs, Doom, or... the nazi is that Zzzax isn't really consciously evil. He just creates a lot of havoc in order to survive.
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Piotr W.




> I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop. Might as well say, "Oh that poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for the wrong side... \:\-p


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Piotr W.




> > I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop. Might as well say, "Oh that poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for the wrong side... \:\-p


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Piotr W.




> I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop.

But... but just look at him! Don't you feel sorry for him when he's being sucked into that trap? \:\-p

> Might as well say, "Oh that poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for the wrong side... \:\-p

I am quite often rooting for the bad guys \:\-p

Hey, back when I was watching Bram Stoker's Dracula, I was feeling sorry for all those poor vampire women that Van Helsing was slaying! \:\-D


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Omar Karindu




> > I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop. Might as well say, "Oh that
> > poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that
> > poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for
> > the wrong side... \:\-p
>
> The difference between Zzzax and Juggs, Doom, or... the nazi is that Zzzax isn't really consciously evil. He just creates a lot of havoc in order to survive.
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>

Not really, no -- his original appearances established that he incinerates human beings to consume the electrical fields of their brains because it makes him smarter, not because heeds to do so to survive. He/it can ordinarily surivive on ordinary electrical current in sufficient quantities; Zzzaxx kills because it likes human brainwaves.

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey


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Attok12




> > I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop.
>
> But... but just look at him! Don't you feel sorry for him when he's being sucked into that trap? \:\-p

Props to the artist, Rick Burchett, for making Zzzax look so sympathetic on his way into that trap.


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Omar Karindu




> I have an INCREDIBLE HULK issue where he does nothing but whine about not wanting to return to the coldness of space and is promptly defeated by the Banner controlled Hulk, in one of the last issues of Bill Mantlo's Banner controlled Hulk stories, just before the Mindless Hulk returned.
>
> So Zzax being promptly defeated really isn't anything surprising, actually. That issue of POWER MAN was a good issue, no doubt about it, but every character fights characters differently.

His very first appearance established that he could be dissipated with some wire and some water, which is how Hawkeye's beaten him with ease at least twice. Zzzaxx always did quite well against the Savage Hulk, of course, or agains a hero who doesn't already know how to defeat him...but his track record against intelligent heroes other than Cage, who didn't know him, is pretty awful.

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey


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Attok12




Still, POWER MAN #47 was the first issue I encountered Zzzax, and I liked the story so much (not too surprised about this, since it was Claremont who wrote it) that it made Zzzax one of the numerous old baddies I happen to like. The last good story I read with him was that Joe Casey issue of CABLE, I believe.


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Omar Karindu




> Still, POWER MAN #47 was the first issue I encountered Zzzax, and I liked the story so much (not too surprised about this, since it was Claremont who wrote it) that it made Zzzax one of the numerous old baddies I happen to like. The last good story I read with him was that Joe Casey issue of CABLE, I believe.

Zzzaxx is fun, I'm not denying that, but he is extremely vulnerable to very simple precautions, and a prepared and halfway clever opponent should never have much trouble with him based on pretty much every appearance he's ever made. He's a big, dumb monster made of sparks, and he's not going to do well against a well-trained, well-prepped, and well-equipped squad sent to capture him.

- Omar Karindu

"A Renoir. I have three, myself. I had four, but ordered one burned...It
displeased me." -- Doctor Doom

"It's not, 'Oh, they killed Sue Dibney and I always loved that character,' it's 'Oh, they broke a story engine that could have told a thousand stories in order to publish a single 'important' one.'" -- John Seavey


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Piotr W.




> Props to the artist, Rick Burchett, for making Zzzax look so sympathetic on his way into that trap.

Yep, he actually looks... cute \:\-\)


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Piotr W.




> Not really, no -- his original appearances established that he incinerates human beings to consume the electrical fields of their brains because it makes him smarter, not because heeds to do so to survive. He/it can ordinarily surivive on ordinary electrical current in sufficient quantities; Zzzaxx kills because it likes human brainwaves.

"Need... more... brains!!!" \:\-D

Zzaxx is Marvel's B-movie monster \:\-\)


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SQUEAK




NT, I said!


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SQUEAK




I think its a sign of good writing (or art) on the part of the creative team. If Iron Man had been well written in Civil War than we would be probably be feeling sorry for him for being forced into this awful position where he has to do what he did instead of just being disdainful/resentful of him for being an egomaniacal power-monger whose willing to cause wars for his own ends.

I always like the old maxim that "no villain is a villain in his own mind." The current Baron Zemo probably still qualifies as a villain, but I'm enjoying the heck out of his mini-series and developing more and more sympathy as I understand where he comes from. While I doubt anyone will ever make me feel sorry for the Red Skull, certainly the "turned into a monster against their will" guys can usually get my symapathy.


> I don't get this "poor Zzax" codswallop. Might as well say, "Oh that poor Juggernaut" or "Poor Doctor Doom" or "Poor Red Skull". "Oh, that poor Viper, she's had a hard terrorist life!". Talk about rooting for the wrong side... \:\-p


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