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I trying to come up with a comprehensive list of villains and their chidren and grandchildren, can you guys help me out
Attuma - Andromeda
Lyra - Lyron
Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
Kingpin - The Rose
Mandarin - Temugin
Red Skull - Sin
Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins
Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
Kand - Marcus
Umar - Clea
Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
Mad Thinker - ?
Vulture -?
Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
Loki - Hela?
Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
Annihilus - the baby
Blastaar - Burstaar
Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
Silvermane- Blackwing
Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
Ultron - Vision, Jocasta

Any more?







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Piotr W.




Mastermind - two daughters: Mastermind (Martinique Jason) and Lady Mastermind (Regan Wyngarde)


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Dex




Mephisto - Blackheart, Mephista
Sebastion Shaw - Shinobi Shaw
Justin Hammer - Crimson Cowl
Piledriver - Excavator
Abomination - ?





> Mastermind - two daughters: Mastermind (Martinique Jason) and Lady Mastermind (Regan Wyngarde)

Attuma - Andromeda
Lyra - Lyron
Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
Kingpin - The Rose
Mandarin - Temugin
Red Skull - Sin
Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins
Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
Kand - Marcus
Umar - Clea
Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
Mad Thinker - ?
Vulture -?
Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
Loki - Hela?
Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
Annihilus - the baby
Blastaar - Burstaar
Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
Silvermane- Blackwing
Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
Ultron - Vision, Jocasta


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Piotr W.




... don't forget about "Satan" and his children: Satana and Daimon Hellstrom.

And of course, the Lilin from 90s "Ghost Rider" are children of Lilith.


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Piotr W.




Shang-Chi is a son of Fu Manchu (who goes by Khan currently, if I'm not mistaken?).


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Piotr W.




... wasn't Daimon retconned to be a son of Satanish?

Anybody knows if it's still in continuity?


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Dex




Lilith daughter of Dracula.
Possibly Deathbird - Deathcry

> ... don't forget about "Satan" and his children: Satana and Daimon Hellstrom.
>
> And of course, the Lilin from 90s "Ghost Rider" are children of Lilith.


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Piotr W.




I seem to remember that old Spidey villain Big Man had a daughter... who also became Big Man.

And didn't the Crime-Master have a son?

Come to think about it, the Burglar had a daughter that appeared in some later portions of Clone Saga...

And does Seward Trainer count as a villain? He was the father of female Doctor Octopus.


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Deathbird - White Noise and Black Light (well, they called her mother)

Dreamqueen - Dreamqueen (She was a member of a race of demons whose childrens destroy their parents and assume their place)

Magus - Warlock - The Technarch versions, not the Cosmic versions


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Piotr W.




> Dreamqueen - Dreamqueen (She was a member of a race of demons whose childrens destroy their parents and assume their place)

I think that Dreamqueen's mother was not the earlier Dreamqueen, but a succubus who conceived Dreamqueen with Nightmare... Or am I wrong?




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Dex




> ... don't forget about "Satan" and his children: Satana and Daimon Hellstrom.
>
> And of course, the Lilin from 90s "Ghost Rider" are children of Lilith.


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Piotr W.




Krakoa the Living Island - Vega Superior

(I scared myself when I realized I remembered such obscure stuff...)

And didn't have Ego some offspring callego Ego-Prime, or something?


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Piotr W.




The Presence - Vanguard and Darkstar
Collector - Carina
Apocalypse - Nemesis / Holocaust (AoA timeline)


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> > Dreamqueen - Dreamqueen (She was a member of a race of demons whose childrens destroy their parents and assume their place)
>
> I think that Dreamqueen's mother was not the earlier Dreamqueen, but a succubus who conceived Dreamqueen with Nightmare... Or am I wrong?

I thought Dreamqueen WAS a succubus... the current one's father was Nightmare, but her mother was Dreamqueen too....


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Piotr W.




> I thought Dreamqueen WAS a succubus... the current one's father was Nightmare, but her mother was Dreamqueen too....

Hm. I didn't read Alpha Flight, but from what I read on some fan sites I gathered that Dreamqueen's mother was an unnamed plain succubus. She had conceived a child with Nightmare - and, as you said, that child *became* her at birth. But Dreamqueen was much more than a succubus, she was more akin to her father, as succubi don't hold any power over dreams...

Any Alpha Flight readers here to clarify that issue?


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Piotr W.




I checked Dreamqueen's Wikipedia entry and it looks like her mother was named after all - Wikipedia gives her name as Zhilla Char.


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Dex




> I trying to come up with a comprehensive list of villains and their chidren and grandchildren, can you guys help me out
> Attuma - Andromeda
> Lyra - Lyron
> Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
> Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
> Kingpin - The Rose
> Mandarin - Temugin
> Red Skull - Sin
> Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
> Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
> J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
> Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
> Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
> Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins
> Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
> Kand - Marcus
> Umar - Clea
> Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
> Mad Thinker - ?
> Vulture -?
> Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
> Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
> Loki - Hela?
> Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
> Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
> Annihilus - the baby
> Blastaar - Burstaar
> Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
> Silvermane- Blackwing
> Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
> Ultron - Vision, Jocasta
>
> Any more?
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The Beetle




> I seem to remember that old Spidey villain Big Man had a daughter... who also became Big Man.
>
> And didn't the Crime-Master have a son?

Exactly. In Marvel Team-Up #39-40, there was a new Big Man and a new Crime-Master, in the end in was revealed that the new Big Man was Janice Foswell the daughter of the original Big Man, and the new Crime-Master was Nick Lewis, Jr. the son of the original Crime-Master. Big Man II died in the story, while Crime-Master II hasdn't been seen since

> Come to think about it, the Burglar had a daughter that appeared in some later portions of Clone Saga...

Jessica Carradine was the daughter of the Buglar

>
> And does Seward Trainer count as a villain? He was the father of female Doctor Octopus.


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BlakGard




> Possibly Deathbird - Deathcry

Don't recall it even being hinted that Deathcry was Deathbird's daughter, but in the early-90s X-Men Spotlight: Starjammers (2-issue miniseries), there were two characters, White Noise and Blacklight, that called her "mother." They've never been seen again.

Also: D'Ken - Adam X (son)
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The Beetle




> I trying to come up with a comprehensive list of villains and their chidren and grandchildren, can you guys help me out
> Attuma - Andromeda
> Lyra - Lyron
> Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
> Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
> Kingpin - The Rose
> Mandarin - Temugin
> Red Skull - Sin
> Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
> Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
> J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
> Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
> Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
> Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins

also Werner Von Strucker

> Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
> Kand - Marcus
> Umar - Clea
> Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
> Mad Thinker - ?
> Vulture -?

a son, a daughter and a grandson (IIRC the daughter was seen in Identity Disk)

> Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
> Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
> Loki - Hela?
> Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
> Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
> Annihilus - the baby
> Blastaar - Burstaar
> Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
> Silvermane- Blackwing
> Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
> Ultron - Vision, Jocasta
>
> Any more?

Mr. Hyde - Daisy Johnson (from the Secret War limited series)


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The Beetle




> Shang-Chi is a son of Fu Manchu (who goes by Khan currently, if I'm not mistaken?).

and Fah Loe Suee is the daughter of Fu Manchu and half-sister of Shang-Chi


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BlakGard




> Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon

Also she's adopted Gloria Brickman, but who knows where she is these days. I'm not sure of the current status. Can't be that close.

Destiny, Mystique's deceased lover, had a daughter, Justine Chase (now dead), who had a son, Trevor.

> Vulture -?

Valeria (daughter in Identity Disc).
Also, an unnamed son, Ramona (daughter-in-law), and an unnamed grandson.
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emerickman




Can't... resist... a... list...


Still have to read Runaways but all their folks! (Just read The Hood and going to look for this Vaughn series backissues next)

And typing quickly without double checking on validity or duplicates...
How 'bout:


eon -epoch
norman osborn -twins
floyd baker(small time) -sandman
jackal -carrion
arnim zola -primus
darkwind -lady deathstrike
ares -son(from the mini)
lizard -has a son billy boy or something
magneto -allegedly polaris
lyja lazerfist -some egg
black tom cassidy -raised Syrin like a daughter
high evolutionary -new men
beehive scientists -him and her
yellow claw -niece or daughter(not sure)
wizard and salamandra -cole
wraith(dewolff) -wraith(dewolff) & jean
egghead -daughter
marrina(turned bad) -3 monsters
scratch -salem seven
hammer -crimson cowl
Puppet Master - Alicia Masters(stepdaughter)
gargoyle(hulk) -gremlin
ringmaster -ringmaster
gideon(corrupt) -glorian
blastaar's -burstaar
eternity and/or death are sorta play villainous roles at times and kinda had galactus




SO FAR from this thread:

Attuma - Andromeda
Lyra - Lyron
Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
Kingpin - The Rose
Mandarin - Temugin
Red Skull - Sin
Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins
Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
Kang - Marcus
Umar - Clea
Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
Mad Thinker - ?
Vulture -?
Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
Loki - Hela?
Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
Annihilus - the baby
Blastaar - Burstaar
Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
Silvermane- Blackwing
Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
Ultron - Vision, Jocasta

Mastermind - two daughters: Mastermind (Martinique Jason) and Lady Mastermind (Regan Wyngarde)

Mephisto - Blackheart, Mephista
Sebastion Shaw - Shinobi Shaw
Justin Hammer - Crimson Cowl
Piledriver - Excavator
Abomination - ?

The Presence - Vanguard and Darkstar
Collector - Carina
Apocalypse - Nemesis / Holocaust (AoA timeline)

Krakoa the Living Island - Vega Superior
Ego some offspring callego Ego-Prime, or something?

Seward Trainer count as a villain? He was the father of female Doctor Octopus.

the new Big Man was Janice Foswell the daughter of the original Big Man
new Crime-Master was Nick Lewis, Jr. the son of the original Crime-Master
Jessica Carradine was the daughter of the Buglar

Shang-Chi is a son of Fu Manchu and Fah Loe Suee is the daughter of Fu Manchu and half-sister of Shang-Chi

"Satan" and his children: Satana and Daimon Hellstrom.
Lilin from 90s "Ghost Rider" are children of Lilith.

Leap Frog - Frogman.

Lilith daughter of Dracula.
Possibly Deathbird - Deathcry

D'Ken - Adam X (son)
Deathbird White Noise and Blacklight, that called her "mother."

Nightmare - Dreamqueen (She was a member of a race of demons whose childrens destroy their parents and assume their place)
Magus - Warlock - The Technarch versions, not the Cosmic versions

Batroc has a daughter & Tarantula's daughter may be the same woman in HFH

Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins also Werner Von Strucker
Mr. Hyde - Daisy Johnson (from the Secret War limited series)

Vulture -Valeria (daughter in Identity Disc). Also, an unnamed son, Ramona (daughter-in-law), and an unnamed grandson.
Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon Also she's adopted Gloria Brickman, but who knows where she is these days. I'm not sure of the current status. Can't be that close.

Destiny, Mystique's deceased lover, had a daughter, Justine Chase (now dead), who had a son, Trevor.



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Jovian




> I trying to come up with a comprehensive list of villains and their chidren and grandchildren, can you guys help me out
> Attuma - Andromeda
> Lyra - Lyron
> Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
> Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
> Kingpin - The Rose
> Mandarin - Temugin
> Red Skull - Sin
> Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
> Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
> J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
> Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
> Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
> Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins
> Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
> Kand - Marcus
> Umar - Clea
> Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
> Mad Thinker - ?
> Vulture -?
> Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
> Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
> Loki - Hela?
> Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
> Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
> Annihilus - the baby
> Blastaar - Burstaar
> Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
> Silvermane- Blackwing
> Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
> Ultron - Vision, Jocasta
>
> Any more?


Isn't Moondragon Thanos' daughter?

and Kang is the father of Reed Richards





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Wokdaddy




Wait a minute....You saying Sabertooth and Mystique had a son together, named Graydon? I certainly missed that one!


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Dex




> > I trying to come up with a comprehensive list of villains and their chidren and grandchildren, can you guys help me out
> > Attuma - Andromeda
> > Lyra - Lyron
> > Puppet Master - Alicia Masters
> > Normon Osborn - Harry - Normie
> > Kingpin - The Rose
> > Mandarin - Temugin
> > Red Skull - Sin
> > Magneto - Quicksilver- Luna, Scarlet Witch -the twins(Speed,Wiccan?)
> > Venom symbiote - Carnage -Toxin
> > J Jonah Jameson(technically villain) - John Jameson
> > Spencer Smythe- Alistair Smythe
> > Sabertooth - Graydon Creed
> > Baron von Strucker - Fenris twins
> > Mystique - Nightcrawler, Graydon
> > Kand - Marcus
> > Umar - Clea
> > Unus - Uniscione, Radius?
> > Mad Thinker - ?
> > Vulture -?
> > Tinkerer - The Agent - grandson?
> > Baron Zemo - Baron Zemo
> > Loki - Hela?
> > Dr. Doom - Kristoff(adopted)
> > Thanos - Gamora(adopted), possibly Nebula
> > Annihilus - the baby
> > Blastaar - Burstaar
> > Count Nefaria - Madame Masque
> > Silvermane- Blackwing
> > Kraven - Grim Hunter, Al Kraven
> > Ultron - Vision, Jocasta
> >
> > Any more?
>
>
> Isn't Moondragon Thanos' daughter?
>
> and Kang is the father of Reed Richards
>
>
>


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BlakGard




> Wait a minute....You saying Sabertooth and Mystique had a son
> together, named Graydon? I certainly missed that one!

Yep. By the randomness of DNA combination, Graydon was born completely human. He eventually became a big anti-mutant politico nut, kind of supplanting Senator Kelly, and a partner/henchman of Bastion.
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Evil G:DR




> > I seem to remember that old Spidey villain Big Man had a daughter... who also became Big Man.
> >
> > And didn't the Crime-Master have a son?
>
> Exactly. In Marvel Team-Up #39-40, there was a new Big Man and a new Crime-Master, in the end in was revealed that the new Big Man was Janice Foswell the daughter of the original Big Man, and the new Crime-Master was Nick Lewis, Jr. the son of the original Crime-Master. Big Man II died in the story, while Crime-Master II hasdn't been seen since
>
> > Come to think about it, the Burglar had a daughter that appeared in some later portions of Clone Saga...
>
> Jessica Carradine was the daughter of the Buglar
>
> >
> > And does Seward Trainer count as a villain? He was the father of female Doctor Octopus.

Mark Scarlotti, the original Whiplash/Blacklash had a son, although I'm blanking on his name.

Jason Macendale, the Jack O'Lantern/Hobgoblin, also has a son (Jay?).

It's been at least hinted that Cable's step-son Genesis may have been Stryfe's son.

Kang needs to have Ramades added for him, and as Immortus he fathered at least one entirely-different son also named Marcus.

Even though they ended up saying otherwise, I still know in my heart that Loki is Deadpool's father, so it must be true.


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Piotr W.




... he was assasinated by his own Mother, Mystique.


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Piotr W.




... was that actuall sugessted somewhere that Loki may be Deadpool's father? Or is it simply your own theory?

In any case, that idea is so bizarre it's genius \:\-\)


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Madison Carter




> ... was that actuall sugessted somewhere that Loki may be Deadpool's father? Or is it simply your own theory?
>
> In any case, that idea is so bizarre it's genius \:\-\)

It was suggested in an arc, but pretty much considered a falsehood.

-Madison


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