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Tiger Shark




As I stated just below, McDuffie's FF is a dream come true, especially paired with this excellent artist.

Galactus, Gravity, Epoch, Starlight, Deathlok (in human form), T'Challa and Storm, the FF (including Sue and Reed), the Silver Surfer...all in one exciting, creative, fun issue? With great characterization throughout? I haven't seen this kind of thing done so well since Byrne's heyday at Marvel. A Silver Surfer-Black Panther face-off? The Panther riding the Surfer's board? Gravity reborn as a dazzling, somewhat frightening Protector of the Universe?

There were some seemingly 'unlikely' moments, but I think they can be explained. Especially since the Surfer was more sympathetic to the team when he arrived than he let on. We all know that Norin could take down the Panther if he wanted to with one nostril hair.

I'm in this book for the long haul. And I can't wait to see who's in McDuffie's Frightful Four. Superb.

Wolverine: Well, Loeb's arc is really, really taking its time to get moving, but it finally seems to be getting somewhere interesting. Seeing the Panther and Storm is very cool, and the interaction betwwen T'Challa and Logan. The ending gives us a nice surprise cast of guest-stars: Sasquatch, Feral, Thornn (these ladies need some revamped, non-late 80s/early 90s hairsyles!), Wolfsbane, and Wildchild show up, all of these characters, including Wolverine and Creed, apparently have sprung from a Lupine offshoot of the evolutionally process. A quest is on!

Fallen Son: Avengers. Well, this book was just okay at best, and for my money, a waste of money. I bought it for the sake of Tiger Shark's appearance, and, as we feared, he was just window-dressing. I liked the new colors in his classic costume, and I liked that Namor called him a 'wretched individual' at the end, showing us that Namor has sympathy and compassion for his troubled old foe.

I hate this recent version of the Black Widow, that we saw here and are seeing in Mighty Avengers. Natasha is a sleek, sophisticated, savvy, mature individual who plays her cards extremely close to her chest. She's not a 'quipper' who nervously banters around a lot of stale, superfluous comments. And geezus, please, she doesn't need a bunch of big Cable-sized guns. She's got her Widow's sting, and that's enough in terms of firepower.

I love the fact that these writers think it makes a lot of sense for her to go into battle lugging weapons that probably weigh more than she does. Yeah, that's an excellent battle plan!

I liked the MA side of the book far more than the NA side, which was the only side that really addressed Cap's death, but did it badly. The typically dreary, drab, depressing NA universe all over again. This is a book that can be skipped with no problems. A disappointment from Loeb.

Silent War: Yowza. What a great series and a terrific issue, the best so far by far. The writer and artist really know what they're doing and work well together.

We find out why Medusa has been approaching (a-hem) Maximus in his cell and also that Medusa and Blackbolt have an insane son, which, to the best of my knowledge, which isn't perfect when it comes to the Inhumans (I didn't read the Inhumans miniseries which came out about 5 years ago), is the first we're hearing of this. Bravo! On his best day, Bendis couldn't write something like this, IMO, without making it dreary, self-conscious, and 'arty' in the worst sense. This series is both fun and 'serious.' Awesome.

That's it, boys.




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Attok12




> As I stated just below, McDuffie's FF is a dream come true, especially paired with this excellent artist.
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> Galactus, Gravity, Epoch, Starlight, Deathlok (in human form), T'Challa and Storm, the FF (including Sue and Reed), the Silver Surfer...all in one exciting, creative, fun issue? With great characterization throughout? I haven't seen this kind of thing done so well since Byrne's heyday at Marvel. A Silver Surfer-Black Panther face-off? The Panther riding the Surfer's board? Gravity reborn as a dazzling, somewhat frightening Protector of the Universe?

Actually, that's Stardust there, not my girl Starlight/Red Guardian. \:\-\( I plan on starting my FF/McDuffie run with the Frightful Four issues. I'm not a fan of the Silver Surfer or cosmic stories that much.


> Fallen Son: Avengers. Well, this book was just okay at best, and for my money, a waste of money. I bought it for the sake of Tiger Shark's appearance, and, as we feared, he was just window-dressing. I liked the new colors in his classic costume, and I liked that Namor called him a 'wretched individual' at the end, showing us that Namor has sympathy and compassion for his troubled old foe.

Hmmm. This means I have to wait and see what my opinion is when I read the book. More than likely, I'll like seeing Tiger Shark and enjoy the appearance while seeing it for what it is at the same time. It's usually like that with me.

> I hate this recent version of the Black Widow, that we saw here and are seeing in Mighty Avengers. Natasha is a sleek, sophisticated, savvy, mature individual who plays her cards extremely close to her chest. She's not a 'quipper' who nervously banters around a lot of stale, superfluous comments. And geezus, please, she doesn't need a bunch of big Cable-sized guns. She's got her Widow's sting, and that's enough in terms of firepower.

Richard K. Morgan did away with her Widow Stingers in her minis, didn't he? Now she suddenly has them again? I, too, don't see the need for her to use gigantic Cable-purchased guns, especially when she has the stingers. Smaller caliber handguns are okay, but she works best with her martial arts skills and stingers. I also prefer her with long red hair, not the Frank Miller haircut of yesteryear. But then, I'm a guy who loves women with long hair, both straight and kinky-curly. Oops, now I'm thinking about Victoria Pratt, lol . I don't mind women with shorter hair as long as it's longish-short, if you know what I mean. That girl who plays Thelma on the BBC show HEX is pretty hot, and I adore Farah Fath (Mimi Lockhart on Days of Our Lives). But for Natasha...long hair. I think my fave Black Widow artist is George Perez (circa MARVEL FANFARE #10-12 (ish)).


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Tiger Shark




...the loss of her stingers...what was the point of that? I can't imagine why she'd want to give them up. I agree 1,000 % about her long red hair. My belief is that, in the 80s, they cut off her hair because she looked too much like Jean Grey/Phoenix. While long hair can't be an asset for fighting in the real world, Natasha is infinitely more lovely and seductive with long tresses.

And no, I've seen no actual proof that she still has her stingers...that was an assumption on my part.

But the huge guns are absurd, even if she's shrinking them with Pym's formula and then enlarging them. She might as well as haul a tank on her shoulder. And why bother, when she can simply get back her wrist-driven Widow's Sting?

Peace.




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Dr. Shallot




I'm trying not to let my problems with a few panels detract from my overall enjoyment of McDuffie's FF, as I've stated in other posts. Other than this little glitch I thought the latest issue was solid.
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A flip through of Fallen Son made me put it back, at least for now. I might pick it up later. The Mighty Avengers battle with Tiger-Shark seemed full of silly little jokes and TS was just a punching bag. I'm surprised Loeb went with the "If I beat you I'll have respect" motivation for TS, it's old and cliche.

Spider-man is used to death by now. I'm not saying Cap's death wouldn't affect him, but his reaction makes him appear as the most juvenile of the team. I know Quesada wants to "de-age" him, but here he's acting like a teenager who's never lost a comrade before. If anyone knows about death and how to cope it's Peter.
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> Silent War: Yowza. What a great series and a terrific issue, the best so far by far. The writer and artist really know what they're doing and work well together.

I can't agree more. Home run, and I'm loving this mini.
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> We find out why Medusa has been approaching (a-hem) Maximus in his cell and also that Medusa and Blackbolt have an insane son, which, to the best of my knowledge, which isn't perfect when it comes to the Inhumans (I didn't read the Inhumans miniseries which came out about 5 years ago), is the first we're hearing of this. Bravo! On his best day, Bendis couldn't write something like this, IMO, without making it dreary, self-conscious, and 'arty' in the worst sense. This series is both fun and 'serious.' Awesome.

Well, we now know Maximus probably isn't exactly powerless and we saw the extent of his villainy. What a delightfully sleazy villain. I was glad to see mention of Bolt's son again, and you can sense both parent's anguish and guilt about how he has been treated. I wouldn't be surprised if he, on some level, the child is working with Maximus. This is the type of book I love and hardly see enough of these days. Kudos to Hine and Frazier. Even Maria Hill is tolerable in this story. I do have to question how Luna, born human, has been able to survive prolonged exposure to the mists while Hine states that mortals can only live a limited time after exposed. I didn't pick up that Graphic Novel years ago which featured the birth of Medusa and Bolt's son, but now I may try to track it down.
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JimJ




> As I stated just below, McDuffie's FF is a dream come true, especially paired with this excellent artist.
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> Galactus, Gravity, Epoch, Starlight, Deathlok (in human form), T'Challa and Storm, the FF (including Sue and Reed), the Silver Surfer...all in one exciting, creative, fun issue? With great characterization throughout? I haven't seen this kind of thing done so well since Byrne's heyday at Marvel. A Silver Surfer-Black Panther face-off? The Panther riding the Surfer's board? Gravity reborn as a dazzling, somewhat frightening Protector of the Universe?

What I didn't get, read it too fast maybe, is that Panther cut out?!? What's with that?
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> There were some seemingly 'unlikely' moments, but I think they can be explained. Especially since the Surfer was more sympathetic to the team when he arrived than he let on. We all know that Norin could take down the Panther if he wanted to with one nostril hair.
>
> I'm in this book for the long haul. And I can't wait to see who's in McDuffie's Frightful Four. Superb.
>
> Wolverine: Well, Loeb's arc is really, really taking its time to get moving, but it finally seems to be getting somewhere interesting. Seeing the Panther and Storm is very cool, and the interaction betwwen T'Challa and Logan. The ending gives us a nice surprise cast of guest-stars: Sasquatch, Feral, Thornn (these ladies need some revamped, non-late 80s/early 90s hairsyles!), Wolfsbane, and Wildchild show up, all of these characters, including Wolverine and Creed, apparently have sprung from a Lupine offshoot of the evolutionally process. A quest is on!
>
> Fallen Son: Avengers. Well, this book was just okay at best, and for my money, a waste of money. I bought it for the sake of Tiger Shark's appearance, and, as we feared, he was just window-dressing. I liked the new colors in his classic costume, and I liked that Namor called him a 'wretched individual' at the end, showing us that Namor has sympathy and compassion for his troubled old foe.
>
> I hate this recent version of the Black Widow, that we saw here and are seeing in Mighty Avengers. Natasha is a sleek, sophisticated, savvy, mature individual who plays her cards extremely close to her chest. She's not a 'quipper' who nervously banters around a lot of stale, superfluous comments. And geezus, please, she doesn't need a bunch of big Cable-sized guns. She's got her Widow's sting, and that's enough in terms of firepower.
>
> I love the fact that these writers think it makes a lot of sense for her to go into battle lugging weapons that probably weigh more than she does. Yeah, that's an excellent battle plan!
>
> I liked the MA side of the book far more than the NA side, which was the only side that really addressed Cap's death, but did it badly. The typically dreary, drab, depressing NA universe all over again. This is a book that can be skipped with no problems. A disappointment from Loeb.

Good, I was wondering if it was me. I thought this was a waste. I expected that this would have been one of the best installments in this mini, and your comments about Natasha are spot on.
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> Silent War: Yowza. What a great series and a terrific issue, the best so far by far. The writer and artist really know what they're doing and work well together.
>
> We find out why Medusa has been approaching (a-hem) Maximus in his cell and also that Medusa and Blackbolt have an insane son, which, to the best of my knowledge, which isn't perfect when it comes to the Inhumans (I didn't read the Inhumans miniseries which came out about 5 years ago), is the first we're hearing of this. Bravo! On his best day, Bendis couldn't write something like this, IMO, without making it dreary, self-conscious, and 'arty' in the worst sense. This series is both fun and 'serious.' Awesome.

This mini has so got me! This installment was so cool and I like BB more now than I ever did. Medusa and Max.....ick.
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> That's it, boys.
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Pav




> > Silent War: Yowza. What a great series and a terrific issue, the best so far by far. The writer and artist really know what they're doing and work well together.
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> I can't agree more. Home run, and I'm loving this mini.
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> > We find out why Medusa has been approaching (a-hem) Maximus in his cell and also that Medusa and Blackbolt have an insane son, which, to the best of my knowledge, which isn't perfect when it comes to the Inhumans (I didn't read the Inhumans miniseries which came out about 5 years ago), is the first we're hearing of this. Bravo! On his best day, Bendis couldn't write something like this, IMO, without making it dreary, self-conscious, and 'arty' in the worst sense. This series is both fun and 'serious.' Awesome.
>
> Well, we now know Maximus probably isn't exactly powerless and we saw the extent of his villainy. What a delightfully sleazy villain. I was glad to see mention of Bolt's son again, and you can sense both parent's anguish and guilt about how he has been treated. I wouldn't be surprised if he, on some level, the child is working with Maximus. This is the type of book I love and hardly see enough of these days. Kudos to Hine and Frazier. Even Maria Hill is tolerable in this story. I do have to question how Luna, born human, has been able to survive prolonged exposure to the mists while Hine states that mortals can only live a limited time after exposed. I didn't pick up that Graphic Novel years ago which featured the birth of Medusa and Bolt's son, but now I may try to track it down.
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I too am loving Silent War. I picked it up mainly due to it's attachment to X-Factor, and I am so glad I did. I loved Hine's District X and he's still got that great storytelling ability. So many parts to our intricate plot are given time in each issue. I actually thought this was the weakest issue so far, just because not a lot happened. Granted, we got some closer character moments with Medusa and Maximus, but after the first issue battle with the FF, and the standoff with Madrox, Layla, and Quicksilver in issue two, this one just felt a little empty to me. Even still, I enjoyed it immensely and I cannot wait to see the battle in issue four.

I need to pick up Son of M obviously, but to those in the know, is the past Paul Jenkens run of Inhumans important to this story (and is it good)? I assumed that Black Bolt and Medusa's son might be a main plot point from that series.


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Dr. Shallot





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> I too am loving Silent War. I picked it up mainly due to it's attachment to X-Factor, and I am so glad I did. I loved Hine's District X and he's still got that great storytelling ability. So many parts to our intricate plot are given time in each issue. I actually thought this was the weakest issue so far, just because not a lot happened. Granted, we got some closer character moments with Medusa and Maximus, but after the first issue battle with the FF, and the standoff with Madrox, Layla, and Quicksilver in issue two, this one just felt a little empty to me. Even still, I enjoyed it immensely and I cannot wait to see the battle in issue four.
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> I need to pick up Son of M obviously, but to those in the know, is the past Paul Jenkens run of Inhumans important to this story (and is it good)? I assumed that Black Bolt and Medusa's son might be a main plot point from that series.

I share your thoughts about this mini. I thought the latest chapter was just as strong however, as Frazier's art really conveyed the anguish of Black Bolt and Medusa. This books does what so little others do for me these days...go out and purchase other books. This is how you generate interest in characters-not with endless crossovers with a lot of people just standing around.

I bought the first couple issues of the Jenkins Inhuman mini, and while I can't say for sure, I don't think it concentrated on Ahura at all. That story was told in an Inhumans Graphic Novel from 1988. I think there were other chapters in Daredevil(I vaguely remember those issues) and an issue of FF Unlimited that I don't own. Here's the cover to that Graphic novel. I'm going to try to track it down myself.
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Nitz the Bloody





> Wolverine: Well, Loeb's arc is really, really taking its time to get moving, but it finally seems to be getting somewhere interesting. Seeing the Panther and Storm is very cool, and the interaction betwwen T'Challa and Logan. The ending gives us a nice surprise cast of guest-stars: Sasquatch, Feral, Thornn (these ladies need some revamped, non-late 80s/early 90s hairsyles!), Wolfsbane, and Wildchild show up, all of these characters, including Wolverine and Creed, apparently have sprung from a Lupine offshoot of the evolutionally process. A quest is on!

Not that I've been reading Loeb's arc, but if the Lupine backstory is true, doesn't that mean Loeb is borrowing story elements from Chuck Austen of all people? After all, Austen submitted the idea of " tribes " of mutant offshoots before Loeb....




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Tiger Shark




...since the whole thrust of the Lupine element in the arc, as described by both T'Challa and Ororo, seems to be that many mutants descended from wolves rather than apes.

Then, at then end of the issue, we see Sasquatch, Feral, Thornn, and Wolfsbane, and their quest apparently is to find Wildchild, who has somehow been amped up; it's hinted that Weapon X is behind it.

This also explains the 'wolf people' 'memories/flashbacks' Wolverine keeps having. Sabertooth, of course, is also a Lupine; Wolverine says they have the same blood, but, at the same time, don't.


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Dr. Shallot





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> Not that I've been reading Loeb's arc, but if the Lupine backstory is true, doesn't that mean Loeb is borrowing story elements from Chuck Austen of all people? After all, Austen submitted the idea of " tribes " of mutant offshoots before Loeb....
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I'm not reading Wolverine either, but the basic premise of the idea doesn't sound too much different than what Krueger and Ross did with the EarthX/UniverseX/ParadiseX series. From Wikipedia(I know...not always accurate but it does seem to be what I remember from that series):
"According to the information in the Earth X miniseries Paradise X: Heralds, the second child of the Howletts died in childbirth and the Howletts found and adopted an infant member of the Moon Clan, a bestial race which has co-existed with humanity for hundreds of thousands of years. This Clan, which is also dubbed wolf clan, were mortal enemies of the Bear Clan, to which Sabretooth belongs. Supposedly, it is this Moon Tribe child who was named James Howlett and would grow up to become Wolverine explaining the enmity between Wolverine and Sabretooth in this alternate reality.

It is also revealed that this seemingly divergent sub-species is in fact what the "true" human species would have become if not for the Celestials' intervention and genetic tampering."

In this series Wolverine in actuality wasn't a mutant at all. At least he got stuck with Madelyne Pryor when he thought he was getting Jean. >:-)



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Tiger Shark




I don't know why the Panther 'cut out' or made that cryptic remark, but no doubt he has something up his sleeve that will aid the team and their goal. But at that time, clearly, they didn't realize that Gravity had been reborn and thus there was no corpse to retrieve.

What a cast! Aint' that Mcduffie something? What I wouldn't do to see him writing one or both Avengers titles! Hint, Marvel, Hint, Hint.

Yes, FS: Avengers was a bust, as I expected it would be: it's a CW-tie in, essentially, so what else could it be? A definite non-story all around.

Yes, Silenbt War is just terrific. The art is really cool and weird, and I'm generally not an appreciator of such styles in hero comics, but here, it fits.

Also, we're seeing Maximus the Mad come back into some kind of prominence. In the Thomas Avengers era, as I'm sure you remember, as well as in the pages of the classic early FF, Maximus was on his way to joining the ranks of the Red Skull, Doom, the Mandarin, Loki, Kang, and the Leader as one of the MU's premier evildoers, and then he more or less fell behind and has been almost forgotten.

I'm assuming that his powers are what's affecting Medusa.

Peace, Bro.




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Tiger Shark




...it does seem to me that Loeb is going out on a huge limb by---so far---inferring that Sasquatch, Sabertooth, and Logan (and the others) are all descendants from the Lupine tribe...I didn't even know Sasquatch was a mutant(!).

Perhaps Loeb is only inferring this, and Sabertooth will turn out to be from the 'bear' tribe or simian tribe or some other....nothing is very clear yet, but what he seems to be saying is that Yes, all of these characters (sans Ororo and T'Challa) are Lupines. Howver, Loeb may be misleading us on purpose.

Where the rest of these present-day Lupines--the regular ones who like like Werevolves---have been hiding or living (with, perhaps, the exception of the Savage Land Mutate 'Lupo') is beyond me. In the flashbacks, which take place in a Stone Age, there's what looks like thousands of them, and maybe millions. You'd think some fossil bones would have been discovered by now.

What exactly Weapon X has to do with Wildchild a this exact point remains to be seen. I thought the program was 100% defunct.


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Trey




What a striking splash page. A cop holding his ground, another guy yelling for help, a vehicle or two, a big explosion, love how the scene is slightly tilted without it being confusing. Its real simple, but awesome in the truest sense of the word.

Both Son of M and Silent War are fantastic. Not really superhero stuff. not really suspenseful, or a big mystery. Just great interaction and family drama. Now we get the big payoff with the Action in #5 and #6.

I've been wanting an Inhumans ongoing for a while now. So many different ways to explore the Marvel Universe thru the Inhumans, the ultimate outsiders, aliens from planet Earth.



> As I stated just below, McDuffie's FF is a dream come true, especially paired with this excellent artist.
>
> Galactus, Gravity, Epoch, Starlight, Deathlok (in human form), T'Challa and Storm, the FF (including Sue and Reed), the Silver Surfer...all in one exciting, creative, fun issue? With great characterization throughout? I haven't seen this kind of thing done so well since Byrne's heyday at Marvel. A Silver Surfer-Black Panther face-off? The Panther riding the Surfer's board? Gravity reborn as a dazzling, somewhat frightening Protector of the Universe?
>
> There were some seemingly 'unlikely' moments, but I think they can be explained. Especially since the Surfer was more sympathetic to the team when he arrived than he let on. We all know that Norin could take down the Panther if he wanted to with one nostril hair.
>
> I'm in this book for the long haul. And I can't wait to see who's in McDuffie's Frightful Four. Superb.
>
> Wolverine: Well, Loeb's arc is really, really taking its time to get moving, but it finally seems to be getting somewhere interesting. Seeing the Panther and Storm is very cool, and the interaction betwwen T'Challa and Logan. The ending gives us a nice surprise cast of guest-stars: Sasquatch, Feral, Thornn (these ladies need some revamped, non-late 80s/early 90s hairsyles!), Wolfsbane, and Wildchild show up, all of these characters, including Wolverine and Creed, apparently have sprung from a Lupine offshoot of the evolutionally process. A quest is on!
>
> Fallen Son: Avengers. Well, this book was just okay at best, and for my money, a waste of money. I bought it for the sake of Tiger Shark's appearance, and, as we feared, he was just window-dressing. I liked the new colors in his classic costume, and I liked that Namor called him a 'wretched individual' at the end, showing us that Namor has sympathy and compassion for his troubled old foe.
>
> I hate this recent version of the Black Widow, that we saw here and are seeing in Mighty Avengers. Natasha is a sleek, sophisticated, savvy, mature individual who plays her cards extremely close to her chest. She's not a 'quipper' who nervously banters around a lot of stale, superfluous comments. And geezus, please, she doesn't need a bunch of big Cable-sized guns. She's got her Widow's sting, and that's enough in terms of firepower.
>
> I love the fact that these writers think it makes a lot of sense for her to go into battle lugging weapons that probably weigh more than she does. Yeah, that's an excellent battle plan!
>
> I liked the MA side of the book far more than the NA side, which was the only side that really addressed Cap's death, but did it badly. The typically dreary, drab, depressing NA universe all over again. This is a book that can be skipped with no problems. A disappointment from Loeb.
>
> Silent War: Yowza. What a great series and a terrific issue, the best so far by far. The writer and artist really know what they're doing and work well together.
>
> We find out why Medusa has been approaching (a-hem) Maximus in his cell and also that Medusa and Blackbolt have an insane son, which, to the best of my knowledge, which isn't perfect when it comes to the Inhumans (I didn't read the Inhumans miniseries which came out about 5 years ago), is the first we're hearing of this. Bravo! On his best day, Bendis couldn't write something like this, IMO, without making it dreary, self-conscious, and 'arty' in the worst sense. This series is both fun and 'serious.' Awesome.
>
> That's it, boys.
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>


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Pilgrim




> ...it does seem to me that Loeb is going out on a huge limb by---so far---inferring that Sasquatch, Sabertooth, and Logan (and the others) are all descendants from the Lupine tribe...I didn't even know Sasquatch was a mutant(!).
>
> Perhaps Loeb is only inferring this, and Sabertooth will turn out to be from the 'bear' tribe or simian tribe or some other....nothing is very clear yet, but what he seems to be saying is that Yes, all of these characters (sans Ororo and T'Challa) are Lupines. Howver, Loeb may be misleading us on purpose.
>
> Where the rest of these present-day Lupines--the regular ones who like like Werevolves---have been hiding or living (with, perhaps, the exception of the Savage Land Mutate 'Lupo') is beyond me. In the flashbacks, which take place in a Stone Age, there's what looks like thousands of them, and maybe millions. You'd think some fossil bones would have been discovered by now.
>
> What exactly Weapon X has to do with Wildchild a this exact point remains to be seen. I thought the program was 100% defunct.

It was. And Wild Child, Feral, and Thorrn are all confirmed as Depowered after M-Day. And Sasquatch is a gamma mutate / human possessing the body of a demonic Great Beast, not a mutant. This arc is such a continuity nightmare, we can only hope Logan wakes up in his bed next issue and blames the last few issues on bad pizza.


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Tiger Shark




> > ...it does seem to me that Loeb is going out on a huge limb by---so far---inferring that Sasquatch, Sabertooth, and Logan (and the others) are all descendants from the Lupine tribe...I didn't even know Sasquatch was a mutant(!).
> >
> > Perhaps Loeb is only inferring this, and Sabertooth will turn out to be from the 'bear' tribe or simian tribe or some other....nothing is very clear yet, but what he seems to be saying is that Yes, all of these characters (sans Ororo and T'Challa) are Lupines. Howver, Loeb may be misleading us on purpose.
> >
> > Where the rest of these present-day Lupines--the regular ones who like like Werevolves---have been hiding or living (with, perhaps, the exception of the Savage Land Mutate 'Lupo') is beyond me. In the flashbacks, which take place in a Stone Age, there's what looks like thousands of them, and maybe millions. You'd think some fossil bones would have been discovered by now.
> >
> > What exactly Weapon X has to do with Wildchild a this exact point remains to be seen. I thought the program was 100% defunct.
>
> It was. And Wild Child, Feral, and Thorrn are all confirmed as Depowered after M-Day. And Sasquatch is a gamma mutate / human possessing the body of a demonic Great Beast, not a mutant. This arc is such a continuity nightmare, we can only hope Logan wakes up in his bed next issue and blames the last few issues on bad pizza.


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