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Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?



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Attok12




> Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?
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To me, Madame Masque is the most tragic, sympathetic character in the MU, although Devil-Slayer is a close runner up. So much has happened to Whitney, ultimately ending with her rampant paranoia streak, which has apparently ended with her now running with the Hood's gang.

The least sympathetic? I may have to think a while about that one. On a side note, the least sympathetic TV character of all time is that Kate $%^&& on LOST. Good Lord, I really hate her. She's a murderer. She's responsible for a few other deaths, if I recall correctly. I'm currently rewatching the show for the 2nd time (Season 2 right now), and I hate the hell out of her. I can't stand her and I can't stand that the writers are trying to make me try and get around her crap by making her sympathetic. If I knew someone like her in real life, I wouldn't waste my time with him/her and think the person was a waste of space. Fortunately, the actress playing her does a good job of making me hate her, lol.

The least sympathetic villain? Hmmmm....


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> Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?
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Most sympathetic would probable be one with a tragic backstory who while in a sense "evil" is not evil evil if that makes any sense. They try to avoid it a much as possible. The only one that springs to mind at the moment is Magneto, but I'm sure there are others. Doom doesn't fit because too often he crosses over into the evil category.

Least sympathetic would have to be those who do it for completly selfish reasons or for evil's sake without any justifiable reason at all. Thanos has done some pretty bad things. So has Doom. Purple Man has used his powers to pretty much rape women and force others to do bad things while enjoying it. That right there make him one of the worst. Loki has made Thor's life miserable. Let's not forget Mephisto who aside from embodying evil had made pretty much every hero's life miserable at some point.


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TJ Burns




> Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?

Least sympathetic: Red Skull. Who can sympathize with him? The story that humanized him the most had his daughter spitting on his corpse, burning it, and telling him no one would miss him. There is NOTHING redeemable about the Red Skull.

Most sympathetic: This one's actually harder. Magneto and Doom both have the same problem - their hubris makes them use villainous means to accomplish a goal based in altruism. Several of the low-level thug villains have sympathetic reasons for being villains, whether it's raising money for an elderly parent, like Sandman; or to cure a condition, like the Rhino classically. There are more sympathetic villains at Marvel than not, strangely.


TJB


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Nemo





> Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?
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Most sympathetic villain in Marvel: Dr. Doom

Least sympathetic villain in Marvel: Brian Michael Ben--er. . .Bullseye
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Thurisaz


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I think Magneto is the villain I can most sympathize with. While I don't condone his methods, looking at his experiences one can easily understand his motives and ambitions.

The least would be the Red Skull, for rather obvious reasons.


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Reverend Meteor


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> > Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?
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> To me, Madame Masque is the most tragic, sympathetic character in the MU, although Devil-Slayer is a close runner up. So much has happened to Whitney, ultimately ending with her rampant paranoia streak, which has apparently ended with her now running with the Hood's gang.
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> The least sympathetic? I may have to think a while about that one. On a side note, the least sympathetic TV character of all time is that Kate $%^&& on LOST. Good Lord, I really hate her. She's a murderer. She's responsible for a few other deaths, if I recall correctly. I'm currently rewatching the show for the 2nd time (Season 2 right now), and I hate the hell out of her. I can't stand her and I can't stand that the writers are trying to make me try and get around her crap by making her sympathetic. If I knew someone like her in real life, I wouldn't waste my time with him/her and think the person was a waste of space. Fortunately, the actress playing her does a good job of making me hate her, lol.

Heh. My favorite character was Michael...I think I was alone in that but I totally sympathized with him even after he killed two people and betrayed his friends to the Others.

I can sympathize with a character who is a murderer as long as they don't actually enjoy killing. It's the intent more than the deed for me.




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Reverend Meteor


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> Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?

I've sympathized with the Fixer/Techno since Thunderbolts began.

I know how can you sympathize with this guy who seemingly doesn't care about anyone but himself? Well I can.

He is the guy who puts on a front that nothing can bother him, that he's gregarious, he lets you know up front he can't be trusted, that he doesn't care about people. But he does care...he just can't let anyone see that he cares because if he does then he can exploited. He comes off as someone who doesn't care about others but he is also the guy always fixing everyone else's problems and never his own. He respects people like Zemo because he is devious...he respects cunning more than virtue. He is up front about his faults yet people still want to give him the benefit of the doubt anyways...because he IS honest about how shady he is. He will lie, cheat and steal but he never pretends that he isn't that guy. He doesn't feign interest in how you're doing. He doesn't pretend to be your best friend. He says what's on his mind whether it is appropriate to say or not.

He's me on paper.




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FirstChAoS





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> . Loki has made Thor's life miserable. Let's not forget Mephisto who aside from embodying evil had made pretty much every hero's life miserable at some point.
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In general I prefer sympathetic villains to non-sympathetic ones. Non-sympathetics can get a good story from time to time, but sympathetics seem deeper and more human. I cannot think of a good most and least at the moment.

I saved your Loki comment so segue into why i hated the last issue of Thor.

The main Thor series has been so-so but i liked the ones that focus on the past and the mythology of it. I loved how they made loki seem sympathetic by crying at his fathers death, being adopted by odin, and used as a scapegoat by him when things went wrong.

But I hated how the last issue of thor took that all away. Loki went back in time and was shown as manipulating himself as a kid to fake affection. to secretly kill odins father, secretly send odin messages, etc. I hate it as it ruined his sympathy.



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> > Who is the most sympathetic villain in Marvel? Who is the least sympathetic villain in Marvel?
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> To me, Madame Masque is the most tragic, sympathetic character in the MU, although Devil-Slayer is a close runner up. So much has happened to Whitney, ultimately ending with her rampant paranoia streak, which has apparently ended with her now running with the Hood's gang.
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I think it changes with the writers. Somebody like Masque can be sympathetic but is also likely to get tossed into a book and written completely devoid of redeeming qualities because most writers won't know much about her or really care. Overexposed villains, such as Spiderman villains that get used as canon fodder, often fall into this trap. One minute Mac Gargan wants to hang up his costume and make an honest living and the next he kills people for fun. Electro is probably the best example of this out of Spidey's villains.

I know there is a tendency to throw Magneto into this category, but I'm not buying it. Sure, he had good reason to think bad things would happen to his people but he's a smart man and could realize that what he was doing was as bad as the actions of the people he feared. I can only feel so bad for him. On the other hand, you could look at a guy like Carnage, who is pretty much written as evil incarnate with no hope of salvation. However, in his case you can at least argue that he is insane, the product of long term abuse, mental illness, and a violent symbiotic influence.

I think the most likely answer to this question is the Hulk.

> The least sympathetic? I may have to think a while about that one. On a side note, the least sympathetic TV character of all time is that Kate $%^&& on LOST. Good Lord, I really hate her. She's a murderer. She's responsible for a few other deaths, if I recall correctly. I'm currently rewatching the show for the 2nd time (Season 2 right now), and I hate the hell out of her. I can't stand her and I can't stand that the writers are trying to make me try and get around her crap by making her sympathetic. If I knew someone like her in real life, I wouldn't waste my time with him/her and think the person was a waste of space. Fortunately, the actress playing her does a good job of making me hate her, lol.
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Yeah, to be honest I could do without the whole Jack/Kate/Sawyer thing. Jack is boring, Kate's story just doesn't interest me, and Sawyer is a one dimensional character that just stands around and says freckles all the time. I'd to get more of the good stuff...Locke, Sun/Jin, Desmond...those were the good stories. Season 4 is going well though.

> The least sympathetic villain? Hmmmm....

Gotta be Red Skull


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Uninvited Guest





...all that stuff about destroying all of humanity, the complete destruction of Slorenia, etc.

Most sympathetic: most of the time the most sympathetic tend to be second stringers in the villain hierachy. Some of them are even very obscure.
  • Diamondback, I think, is very sympathetic. She even fell in love with Captain America at some point.
  • Shriek, an insane girl who joined Carnage during the "Maximum Carnage" saga, whose only goal was to have a family, was a very tragic character.
  • Titania, She-Hulk's villainess, is sort of humorous and funny at times... her marriage to Absorbing Man is also priceless.
  • Batroc ze leaper, who at some point, when Captain America was dying, promised to reform... a promise he kept, until Cap came back from the dead.
  • I would even say Mystique... we've seen her emotional side many times, we know she really does care for Rogue, and she really loved Destiny. She's not entirely evil. I remember an issue in which the Brotherhood creates a diversion, ambushing Colossus and later fighting the rest of the X-Men at Central Park, to cover for Mystique who infiltrated at the Mansion. After she shots Xavier, Rogue - who had ran from the Brotherhood very recently at the time - arrives at the scene, and has with Mystique one of the most human heart-to-heart I've read in comics.
***Edit*** I found a link in scans daily of what I talking about Mystique. Scans come from issue #177 and #178 ( the issue in question )
. The last five pages are what I was talking about:   http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5951529.html



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TJ Burns




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> ...all that stuff about destroying all of humanity, the complete destruction of Slorenia, etc.
Strangely, I DO sympathize with Ultron, after the Mark-12 story in WCA. He's a child growing up, but, sadly, far too much power and the best impulse control programmed by a guy that has had almost as many nervous breakdowns as his wife has costumes. \:\) If someone took Ultron under their wing and helped him to develop a real moral center, he could be a valued member of society. As is, it's too late for that, and for that, I pity him.
 
TJB


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