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Stupid Baby


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I was reading a random back issue last night ( Illuminati 2 ) and I came across a quote that seems very applicable to old school fans who are dissatisfied and unhappy with Marvels current directions and the reboot rumor.

As said by Uatu the Watcher " you and your people, could accomplish anything, and THUS is what you choose to do?"




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USAgentfan


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Personally I'm delighted because this gives me a genuine reason to reassess the number of Marvel titles I read.

Rest assured when the dust settles I will not be purchasing the 50/60 titles a month I currently read.


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Stupid Baby


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it seems the majority of fans are saying just that USAgentfan.




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    Personally I'm delighted because this gives me a genuine reason to reassess the number of Marvel titles I read.



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    Rest assured when the dust settles I will not be purchasing the 50/60 titles a month I currently read.


Good god how do you have money for food and bills.

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Quite honestly, maybe without us 'old heads', Marvel can refocus itself and get back to its original demographic....kids.




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USAgentfan


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Marvel is pretty much my only vice, and the only hobby I have that costs any real money.

Every week I order my pile of comics in sequence of what I consider the best to worst, unfortunately in recent months or even years the comics at the top arent even Marvel ones and there are far too many at the bottom I find myself wondering why I ever picked them up in the first place or continue to read them.

Thats going to stop with this relaunch. I'm going back to reading a core group of titles and dumping all of the peripheral shit clagging up my collection at the moment. Its going to be brutal.


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USAgentfan


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That will never happen. First and foremost because comics are simply too expensive for kids.

Its not like the 70's or even the 80's when children could go out and buy a pile of comics for pocket-money prices. The current $3.99 price tag is prohibitive, especially when you consider big events or how many titles link into each other, and the fact that Marvel is deliberately marketed to entice you away from just picking up one or two books a month.

With so many different things to spend money on nowerdays, there is no way that kids are going to blow their allowances on comics. Hell, a drug habit would be cheaper.

Secondly, comics are not suitable for children. The age of innocence stopped in the 80's, and pretty much since Alan Moore got his grubby little hands on the genre comics have been about politics, death, violence, crime and sex, and despite their bright superhero colours Marvel is no different with its content.

I genuinely believe that the comic-reading audience will remain relatively small with big events such as Secret Wars having very little effect upon overall readership numbers.

The dream of reeling in millions of movie-goers will never come to pass no matter how much Marvel try to change their comics to reflect them because you are talking about two entirely different audiences and its a case of never the twain shall meet.

My mother watches movies. My grandmother watches movies. Very small children watch movies - but none of them will ever develop a strong comic reading habit for a variety of reasons, some of which Ive listed above.

I firmly believe that the current readership is Marvel comics most valuable resource, and instead of alienating them with crack-pot ideas and big event after big events, they should try listening to them once in a while - because thats whats been missing for years. When was the last time you heard Marvel come out and admit they changed something because FANS demanded it?

To cite just one example, when Marvel got rid of Nick Fury they admitted it was because fans of other media would find it confusing *if* they were to pick up a comic book. No mention at all of what the peiople who actually buy Marvels comic books want...


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The Black Guardian

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This isn't exactly true.

American teenagers spend $100 billion per year (their own money*), at about $5000 each. This isn't "necessities." It's nearly all disposable income. That's about $400 per month for comics. But they're not. They're just finding lots of other things to spend money on. Why? Because comics are not popular things to be interested in. They're a niche, and they're likely to remain this.

Kids under 13 are directly spending $11 billion (their own money*), but are influencing their parents' spending for a total of about $165 billion per year. That's tons of comics too.

*The money mommy and daddy give them to creep around malls and stuff.




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    I firmly believe that the current readership is Marvel comics most valuable resource, and instead of alienating them with crack-pot ideas and big event after big events, they should try listening to them once in a while - because thats whats been missing for years. When was the last time you heard Marvel come out and admit they changed something because FANS demanded it?


Marvel doesn't have to change to meet customer demand. We keep buying the books, and then complain about them online. If we vote with our wallets, our voices will be heard.


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      I firmly believe that the current readership is Marvel comics most valuable resource, and instead of alienating them with crack-pot ideas and big event after big events, they should try listening to them once in a while - because thats whats been missing for years. When was the last time you heard Marvel come out and admit they changed something because FANS demanded it?



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    Marvel doesn't have to change to meet customer demand. We keep buying the books, and then complain about them online. If we vote with our wallets, our voices will be heard.


In the history of time has that approach ever worked? The people with bad taste will still buy bad products.

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zeus




ok, maybe "If we vote with our wallets, our voices will be heard." is a tad optimistic, but the point stands. Marvel will put out what makes money, and cancel titles that don't make them money. Why should Marvel change what they do, when people who don't like it buy it anyway? You can't control the spending habits of people with bad taste, but you can stop contributing to the message that "we want more Nick Fury Jr." (or some other inane change they've made)


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    ok, maybe "If we vote with our wallets, our voices will be heard." is a tad optimistic, but the point stands. Marvel will put out what makes money, and cancel titles that don't make them money. Why should Marvel change what they do, when people who don't like it buy it anyway? You can't control the spending habits of people with bad taste, but you can stop contributing to the message that "we want more Nick Fury Jr." (or some other inane change they've made)


I think the thing we all have trouble accepting...those things we all despise...they make more money than the things we like.

Think about the music you listen to...you've got that obscure artist you like that never had mainstream success. But pieces of crap like Justin Beiber become wealthy due to their success.

The world isn't fair. There are so many people with crappy taste who like to buy crap you won't ever get to see the products you actually like flourish. We delude ourselves into thinking that something that is absolute crap will not sell. I assure you it will. You can put out a coffee table book with nothing but pictures of poo on it...and people will buy it..."oh cool a book about actual crap".

Marvel's still going to make their money and still put out dozens of crappy Avengers and X-Men books.


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USAgentfan


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Whats the saying? 'No one ever lost money by underestimating the stupidity of people'.

Probably true for the ,most part, although there are cases where Marvel continues to throw shit at a wall just hoping something will stick.

Nick Fury Jnr is a classic case of that. Battlescars was pretty much universally panned, didnt sell great, and now Secret Avengers - the unofficial Nick Fury Jnr book - is not only giving us garbage stories but its sales are in the shitter too.

Will Marvel get rid of Fury Jnr though? Definately not - well at least not until after Secret Wars when they will formally replace him with Ultimate Nick Fury.


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zeus




I brought two of my kids to the comic shop with me this morning. I intended to buy them each something. I wasn't willing to put down $8 for one comic each that I knew they'd leave laying around and would be destroyed before the week was up. Getting them each something more durable that could sit on a bookshelf would have put me back $24.

I ended up buying them PEZ candies, because it was about the only thing they could find in the store that wasn't more than $5. (The store has a 50 cent bin, but those aren't the books aimed at kids. Letting them pick up a random issue of the original run of X-Force isn't doing anyone any favors.)

So what is a parent who doesn't own 5,000 comic books going to think about it, bringing their kid to the comic shop and looking at the price tags?

I don't mind spending money on my kids. It's just that I know it's such a casual interest for them. The money I spend on them needs to be worth the experience, and at ages 7 & 8, it just isn't. For just a couple more bucks I can get them another Disney Infinity figure, that they will play with for hours.


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The Black Guardian

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Indeed, that's another part of the problem. Once upon a time, comics were the price of a candy bar. Until they're back to this, kids really aren't going to be a factor.

As much as I love comics, they really are not worth getting into. Comic reading is a calling.

But um... $8? Yikes. I was finding it somewhat difficult to justify $3-4, back when my daughter was 10-ish. There isn't a way in heck I would have ever bought a 20-odd-page comic for $8, for myself or her.




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zeus


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Sorry, I may have been unclear about $8. It would have been $8 total if I got both kids one issue.

But, yeah. Not the price of a candy bar anymore...


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